It also doesn't help that MS has already launched in its major markets and still losing in each of them.
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It also doesn't help that MS has already launched in its major markets and still losing in each of them.
X1's overall sales aren't bad. Their monthlty numbers WW aren't exactly great and almost not even good. They pushed out their biggest system seller already and that is sort of the problem they are facing that is kind of real.The funny thing is the X1 sales are not terrible at all. Its just selling less than the PS4 but at a higher price in less markets. The competition is doing really well but the X1 is doing just fine but if you listen to web posters they would have you believe the X1 is not selling or doing so terrible that a dooms day change is in order.
Good lord that number for one quarter is staggering. Doesn't look like MSFT will have to sell any assets anytime soon.
Holy s***. Defense force assemble. Come off of what exactly?
The notion that it "doesn't help" that they aren't in as many countries as Sony?
If that mind boggling nugget hurts your head then go ahead and put me on ignore instead of coming at me with these goofy posts.
I really hope you don't respond with a bunch of stuff that you implied from my post that I didn't say, it was quite annoying last time you did.
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First (apply to all), can we stop keep mentioning comments from another forums here, if we wanted to know their comments, we will visit & made our comments there.
Every now & then we have to hear people here mention about X1 doomsayer, SDF or some other named people cooked up to make MS bad. When questioned who actually said these, only to find out its some random posters form another forum. If you know some particular website are anitoMS or something, stop visiting them.
Whats the point of having a discusion here, when people care more about opinions from another website?
Every now & then we have to hear people here mention about X1 doomsayer, SDF or some other named people cooked up to make MS bad. When questioned who actually said these, only to find out its some random posters form another forum. If you know some particular website are anitoMS or something, stop visiting them.
Whats the point of having a discusion here, when people care more about opinions from another website?
maybe some people are looking at others opinions just in a simple or more general way. I think it's perhaps ok to mention what others have said if it's in an area or has some weight that we can't exactly see . It really depends, it can of course be as subjective as anything else so that can be a little hard to narrow down in some ways. Other places (gaf) have a lot more users and can sometimes give us smaller places a view into some places that we can't not exactly talk about or experience. So, I half agree with you Seeker.
Not sure about who or what is making MS look bad, but i do think the sales they currently have monthly is not where they want to be at all. Borderline good. This year they have only sold about 1.5 million consoles in 3 months, that just isn't too fantastic overall. While Sony has been pushing a milliion a month.
I know that isn't a easy thing to compare now since the system isn't in a lot of countries now, and it's still up in the air how much those countries will help on the overall totals I guess.
If you ask me if I care which console sells most, I guess my answer is a no, but I do hope one of them sells well enough to warrant non AAA titles that can sustain in price and sales to keep the companies who produce them afloat. That is my biggest wish out of it all.
Without having any biased or feeling toward any one of the big 3. I wouldn't want Nintendo to sell the most as I don't want games to be held by weak tech, online issues, os.. and whatever else Nintendo has did bad . I may not want MS to have more third party support as they have been a little more strict in the past with games on their box as well. I know sony hasn't always been in the best of light, but I feel they wouldn't pull a change as fast as MS on something that could annoy me a bit. rules and regulations, or how MS changed the OS I enjoyed into the one we saw introduced with Kinect.
Overall, I'm still worried gamers are only looking at the visuals and not gameplay, and a lot of games have gotten stale for a long time now.
Not sure about who or what is making MS look bad, but i do think the sales they currently have monthly is not where they want to be at all. Borderline good. This year they have only sold about 1.5 million consoles in 3 months, that just isn't too fantastic overall. While Sony has been pushing a milliion a month.
I know that isn't a easy thing to compare now since the system isn't in a lot of countries now, and it's still up in the air how much those countries will help on the overall totals I guess.
If you ask me if I care which console sells most, I guess my answer is a no, but I do hope one of them sells well enough to warrant non AAA titles that can sustain in price and sales to keep the companies who produce them afloat. That is my biggest wish out of it all.
Without having any biased or feeling toward any one of the big 3. I wouldn't want Nintendo to sell the most as I don't want games to be held by weak tech, online issues, os.. and whatever else Nintendo has did bad . I may not want MS to have more third party support as they have been a little more strict in the past with games on their box as well. I know sony hasn't always been in the best of light, but I feel they wouldn't pull a change as fast as MS on something that could annoy me a bit. rules and regulations, or how MS changed the OS I enjoyed into the one we saw introduced with Kinect.
Overall, I'm still worried gamers are only looking at the visuals and not gameplay, and a lot of games have gotten stale for a long time now.
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Absolute number (in isolation) wasn't bad for MS, but its well known not to say MS isn't doing well outside of US & UK (in places 360 used to do very well), & we are talking about selling signicantly less than half of its competition.
Anyway, other than absolute number, market share is also very important, both for MS, & its partners, & due to that, also gamers. If you have weaker market share, you have less bargaining power. Less 3rd parties will less likely want to make exclusive games or content for you. Apps maker will make apps for the competition console first, & your console later along the line (I know I would) etc. You get my point. You can look at Windows phone vs IOS & Anriod to get an idea.
If there is less exclusive contents, adding the higher cost & weaker hardware(at least currently), people will question why get it over the competion who also have their exclusives, on top of more attractive price & better multiplat games (no matter how significant).
So yes, market share is important. They will need a big launch in September, & a more attractive package.
No one here is saying MS is doom, should pack their bags & go home, but to say they don't need to do much more is also not true, because they need to gain a healthy market share.
Anyway, other than absolute number, market share is also very important, both for MS, & its partners, & due to that, also gamers. If you have weaker market share, you have less bargaining power. Less 3rd parties will less likely want to make exclusive games or content for you. Apps maker will make apps for the competition console first, & your console later along the line (I know I would) etc. You get my point. You can look at Windows phone vs IOS & Anriod to get an idea.
If there is less exclusive contents, adding the higher cost & weaker hardware(at least currently), people will question why get it over the competion who also have their exclusives, on top of more attractive price & better multiplat games (no matter how significant).
So yes, market share is important. They will need a big launch in September, & a more attractive package.
No one here is saying MS is doom, should pack their bags & go home, but to say they don't need to do much more is also not true, because they need to gain a healthy market share.
Yeah, it is important and if one system is indeed quite a bit higher than the other the deveoper won't bother doing a port as the sales gained from that won't be as good as focusing your time on the system that could provide much more sales. We saw that a lot with Xbox/ps2/gc with PS2 getting a lot more 3rd party only titles. I don't think it will be anywhere near that bad, but I could see it happening.
I think MS really wants to stop this, I keep expecting to see some major news story break about a 300 dollar X1 or something lol. I think this is the year MS has to act (son didn't really act fast enough with PS3) but this is the year they need to act. I think they will, but I don't know what will happen with it. MS has been much faster to act than the other two imo
MS had the right idea with TF, it just was't the right game overall. It probably needed to be cod or gta.
If MS or Sony could get a COD or GTA as a 6 month exclusive atleast... that would or could be really big for them (cod needs a revamp as well though)
I don't know what else either could actually do besides just providing solid titles over and over that would make big changes. Price is important, but MS can't really go lower than them unless they want to really take a hit.
If MS undercuts Sony and if Sony doesn't act, Sony will just lose ground or not expand on their lead atleast.. If I was Kaz, I'd heavily push PS4 even more, I'd bet the company on it for the most part. If Sony can somehow sell more and put their name as the place where VR is. It could bold well for them not only in games.
So, I'm wondering if MS would actually consider dropping Kinect completely and trying to go with something else
If nothing else, this would be the perfect time to Ban me
I think MS really wants to stop this, I keep expecting to see some major news story break about a 300 dollar X1 or something lol. I think this is the year MS has to act (son didn't really act fast enough with PS3) but this is the year they need to act. I think they will, but I don't know what will happen with it. MS has been much faster to act than the other two imo
MS had the right idea with TF, it just was't the right game overall. It probably needed to be cod or gta.
If MS or Sony could get a COD or GTA as a 6 month exclusive atleast... that would or could be really big for them (cod needs a revamp as well though)
I don't know what else either could actually do besides just providing solid titles over and over that would make big changes. Price is important, but MS can't really go lower than them unless they want to really take a hit.
If MS undercuts Sony and if Sony doesn't act, Sony will just lose ground or not expand on their lead atleast.. If I was Kaz, I'd heavily push PS4 even more, I'd bet the company on it for the most part. If Sony can somehow sell more and put their name as the place where VR is. It could bold well for them not only in games.
So, I'm wondering if MS would actually consider dropping Kinect completely and trying to go with something else
If nothing else, this would be the perfect time to Ban me
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Defense of what exactly? Unlike some here I don't give two sh!ts which consoles sells more. I don't make excuses like "but more countries, forget the issues plaguing their public perception, it's all about MOAR COUNTRIES!" MS fans seem to pretend that releasing in 37 more countries is going to fix MS' issues and it gives me a headache.
But hey, if you think that MS releasing in more countries is going to fix poor sales (as is less than the other guy), over-priced hardware and a dead gimmick peripheral being forced on consumers then by all means...
...go right ahead.
this is the part that is laughable... the only thing "poor" about their sales is that they are behind the almighty, god-like, immortal PS4.
Otherwise, MS's sales are FINE. Sure they would like to be ahead of Sony, but it is a SERIOUS stretch to call their sales poor.
This idiotic post did not dissapoint with the assumptions and implying.
Would read again.
So it appears a significant amount of X1 consoles are indeed sitting on retailers' shelves, implying that the market is saturated at the moment.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/..._revenues__but_its_cost_cuts_into_profits.php
UPDATE: The topic of Microsoft's Xbox business was barely raised during its investor call, with no analysts asking about it at all. Some of CFO Amy Hood's statements did imply, however, that there is more supply than demand for its Xbox consoles.
"We do expect to work through some inventory in Q4," said Hood, referring in this case to the period between April 1 - June 30, 2014. She also referred to "channel inventory drawdown for Xbox consoles," implying that manufacturing of Xbox consoles will slow or stop, to allow retailers time to work through existing inventory.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/..._revenues__but_its_cost_cuts_into_profits.php
UPDATE: The topic of Microsoft's Xbox business was barely raised during its investor call, with no analysts asking about it at all. Some of CFO Amy Hood's statements did imply, however, that there is more supply than demand for its Xbox consoles.
"We do expect to work through some inventory in Q4," said Hood, referring in this case to the period between April 1 - June 30, 2014. She also referred to "channel inventory drawdown for Xbox consoles," implying that manufacturing of Xbox consoles will slow or stop, to allow retailers time to work through existing inventory.
It could means the 360 for all we know. MS do need consoles for the 26 new markets in September. If it is in fact X1 that reduce production, than there is no way to sugarcoat it. But there is no clear indication, only speculations.
Wonder how many day ones they made.
Anyway, if they sold 5 million to stores then that means that there are around 800,000 on shelves around the world right now. Really no need to keep sending more of them right now when there's already so many available.
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I don't think MS is in any danger of losing support as it's close enough to the PS4 that porting makes financial sense and it probably always will, the X1 isn't doing as well as PS4 but it's not exactly the Wii U either. What will change is 3rd parties being willing to sell exclusives to MS, the price is going to go up to the point where it won't make sense for MS to bother even if a 3rd party is willing to do it.
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How someone could discern so much from the little I actually posted on the matter is absolutely amazing. In all honesty I read about 5 words of your reply but I'm 100% sure you are in the process of a staged argument that you has absolutely nothing to do with what I actually posted.
I'm not sure if you can appreciate how little I care about the fanboy argument you are trying to push.
Qft, MS should stay the course their plan is working pretty good all thing considered. All those that believe not adding another 37 countries in the mix won't help is laughable.
I know they plan to add 26 countries. Are they going to add more after that, anyone know?
And I suppose people saw the rules about publishing videogames in China. Nothing that promotes violence. Uh oh, lol.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/china-welcomes-video-games-long-play-rules/#!FWWcy
And I suppose people saw the rules about publishing videogames in China. Nothing that promotes violence. Uh oh, lol.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/china-welcomes-video-games-long-play-rules/#!FWWcy
Dividing sales into months is capricious and irrelevant. Chopping sales periods into arbitrary chunks artificially skews the numbers and doesn't reflect the overall impact of a particular sales event.
I agree... for the most part.
I'm not the one that started doing that though. My posts were pretty much saying how it's not the full picture.
Hard drives are one of the highest cost components in a console and the problem is that cost is fairly static. The reason new larger hard drive capacity console SKUs are introduced is due to obsolescence of lower capacity hard drives. Sony had a problem with the PS3 super slim, the hard drive in every console meant they were stuck at a minimum price they could sell for without incurring a loss. They got around it by creating a new SKU that took out the hard drive and replaced it with a small amount of flash memory. This was also one of the key reasons there was a hard drive less 360 on the market last gen and it is also why Nintendo do not put them in their systems.
You will likely see Xbox One and PS4 models with flash memory as the entry level SKU and the hard drive versions as the premium more expensive option as the generation goes on.
SKU!
With all games needing mandatory install, & games now comes in massive sizes, the flash memory must be massive. The 500GB hard-disk already feel underwhelm.
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