Something i really noticed after watching Sony's E3
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There is NO game that could not be done on either system. Agreed. Naughty Dog are a really talented team of devs, but UC isnt doing anything thats leagues above what we've seen this gen. 343i are also very talented. Halo 5 looks insane. Cant compare the two dev teams however. You couldnt find two dev houses more opposite from the other.
Interesting stuff. That would mean Halo 5 could have looked just as good as Killzone SF if it had been 30/40fps. I hope it doesn't become some sort of mandatory thing to make games 60fps, cause if that was to happen, we won't be seeing real eye candy any time soon on Xbox One. I for one would love a game on Xbox One looking as impressive as U4 and Horizon. But as some have said here before, there's differences between MS and Sony in how...Sony really gives these devs plenty of time (sometimes too much, look at Gran Turismo) and let's the devs share resources and engines, and MS is different in some of those aspects.
But i have no doubt that devs like ND have the hardware better under control than most of the X1 devs. Again, look at the Digital Foundry analysis of Uncharted 4. Barely any aliasing, all very smooth at 30fps, huge draw distance, barely any pop in and that...months before the development is finished. This shows these guys know 100% what they are doing. I don't want to diss 343, no at all, i am just surprised that they apparetly have/had quite a challenge with getting this game to run smoothly and with a decent resolution. It seems very similar to Halo 4 to me, and yes they did promise much larger areas, but let's not forget that 4 already had some huge open areas too, like the desert in the campaign for example. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
But i have no doubt that devs like ND have the hardware better under control than most of the X1 devs. Again, look at the Digital Foundry analysis of Uncharted 4. Barely any aliasing, all very smooth at 30fps, huge draw distance, barely any pop in and that...months before the development is finished. This shows these guys know 100% what they are doing. I don't want to diss 343, no at all, i am just surprised that they apparetly have/had quite a challenge with getting this game to run smoothly and with a decent resolution. It seems very similar to Halo 4 to me, and yes they did promise much larger areas, but let's not forget that 4 already had some huge open areas too, like the desert in the campaign for example. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
I wont disagree with N.D. being a talented developer. U.C. looks great. However, to suggest we havent seen real "eye candy" on the Xbox One is ludicrous. There have been plenty of games that look incredible. For all intents and purposes every third party game released look incredible. Not to mention first party games. Come on now...
Something I noticed after E3 is gamers do not seem to care about good games any more. It is all graphics this, console war that.
Your lack of perspective disappoints me.
Today, in 2015, graphics matter less to the public than they have at any point in the last 25 years.
Perspective is nothing but personal interpretation.
Example:Your perspective of graphics to gamers is fundamentally flawed by your ignorance.
Go take a look around, everything is graphics, graphics, graphics.
Animations too, that's one thing sony developers seem to have a grasp on. Those little touches that drake does adds a very lifelike layer to everything you see. Animations have nothing to do with hardware, you can have better animations on the original xbox than any ps4 game if the quality is better, nothing about new hardware gives developers "better animations", but this is one area ND smokes the rest in my opinion.
I am not trying to diss Microsoft, their console or their developers, but Ryse has been the most impressive looking game on their system so far. Sunset Overdrive looks really nice too, but it did not 'wow' me as much as say....Killzone SF, infamous SS, The Order, U4 and Horizon. Of course i am solely speaking graphically wise for the first three, gameplay is mehhhhhh as hell. And sure, Forza 5 and Horizon 2 looked great, but they did not floor me, that's just what it is. The games i mentioned for PS4 is what i'd call real next-gen, eye candy.
Remember i am only talking about exclusives here. Agreed on that plenty of third party games look fine on Xbox One, Witcher 3 certainly comes to mind.
Specs make a difference as Val says. But I don't think Microsofts studios are that great in terms of presentation.
Turn 10 is great. And I think Gears 4 looks great too. Halo 5 has great art and will be 60 fps . It is what it is. Or whatever it will be. QuantumBreak looks incredible too so far.
But, you may just have to come to the realization that the X1 won't match Sony's hardware or their studios this generation.
True man. And yeah., i had almost forgotten about Quantum Break, that one looks really good.
Wha?! They're already matched. Sony's hardware is impressive on paper, yet not one game has shown any real visual advantage over what the X1 offers or what it can achieve. Are we all living in the same dimension? lol
The gap isn't as significant and some make it. And it's not as close as you and others make it. Imo
It's not a Xbox >PS2 Type deal. More like PS1 > Saturn.
And yeah we live in the same dimension.
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All they've done is God of war, they collaborate on alot and co-develop stuff, but as far as wholly internally developed games ND has way more variety in their catalog. And TLoU 'Uncharted with zombies"? please...
No. You're simultaneously forgetting what the graphics/console wars looked like 10, 20 years ago and you're listening to a very vocal minority today.
Minecraft dwarfs all other games. Nintendo, Blizzard, Valve, and now MS seem to be targeting simple, clean, smoothly animated visuals. Tablet and phone gaming is bigger than ever.
People who think graphics are at a premium in the public's eye today are quite frankly, rather simple.
I think its both, I think there is a huge market for indie type games, but also the console crowd that's all about visuals is still around and in full force. I just think a new market has surfaced with people who don't care about visuals in the last few years and has really grown.
Games are games. Bleeding edge visuals don't matter nearly as much today as they did fifteen years ago. People just read message boards (which are a horrible representation of the gaming public) and have foggy memories. It's stupid to act like today is somehow worse than its ever been. Complete stupidity.
So you can't attribute part of Sony's success to offering a more powerful console, that runs games at a higher resolution/fps? Complete stupidity.
Sony is on auto hype. That's my opinion. All that supposed power and we haven't seen s***. Straight garbage console. That's my opinion. Nothing personal.
It's a great system. Third party games are hanging with the PC versions running similar settings. And Sony's first party games are some of the best looking on any platform.
But I do think some over hype the systems capabilities. In no way garbage though.
I don't have the console myself or anything, or have a reason to get one at all this year, but you've boozed too much tonight and have a severe case of the hyperbole.
Thats your opinion. But I still feel the same. And I dont drink....
I don't have the console myself or anything, or have a reason to get one at all this year, but you've boozed too much tonight and have a severe case of the hyperbole.
I do agree with you about them being on Auto Hype. However, 2016 looks like it could be a stellar year for PS4, game wise.
Not sure calling it a garbage console gets you anywhere. The console itself seems good. The only real point of contention is ones perception of the software it possesses.
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Try and follow along. I responded to menace-UK's uninformed post by telling him that graphics matter less today than they ever have in the past 25 years.
You butt in suggesting that I said none of the PS4's success is related to its power superiority over the XBO.
"Matters less" is not the same as "doesn't matter at all".
Btw, the PS4 is selling better than the XBO, in large part, because it has better games. Why people here ignore this fact is beyond me.
I don't think your analogy fits here. The Saturn wasn't even designed with 3D games in mind. The original PlayStation console was absolutely engineered for a 3D future.
What you say is true. But I think the analogy still works (though not perfect) because it was so early in the dawn of 3D gaming that even though PS1 had dedicated hardware, the results were often similar.
Of course PS1 did it better and cleaner. But it still had issues with warping because of the lack of mip mapping.
What would be a closer comparison in your opinion?
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Phillips CD-i, Atari Jaguar, 3DO, Virtual Boy, N-gage and Sega CD were garbage consoles... If you honestly think PS4 fits into that same category, then I honestly think you have a few screws loose.