PS4 Neo
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I think what will happen is the xb1 will get a version of the scorpio games, but it will be designed to run a bare minimum specs, much like what Cryteck did with Crysis, sure it ran on 360 decently, I like it, but it was really meant to be played on PC.
No no not saying that but the NEO/Scorp versions will be hindered the same way PC ports are due to the weakest denominator.
I expect many 1080p games on both Scorpio and Neo and I expect PS4 vs XBO type of differences.
I think Scorpio will really shine with VR as it won't be limited by the weak XBO.
Not sure why this is confusing or controversial. The lower end consoles will be the base line with the Scorpio being closest to the high end PC settings. The differences will be just like they are now - between higher res, framerate, and lod on geometry/shadows.
True... So where does this extra horsepower go without changing the core game play: 4K, extra few frames or a slight increase in visuals? This is my point. A robust CPU is not needed if all you are going to get is a slightly better version of the same game. Now if exclusives were releasing with this hardware under their belt, i could see the big fuss over the extra horsepower. Its not, however, the case. What runs on these elite consoles have to also run on the previous ones.
Well then, we're not getting drastically different games than what we got the previous generation. But I disagree later though, I think we will see some games that come to the higher end consoles exclusively.
I agree that the difference will probably be around what the PS4 and XB1 is doing now. As far as VR, because the Rift and Vive have higher HD screens, they utilize more horsepower to run. THIS is one of the reasons the competition has to pack in so much extra power. The HMD from Sony is custom for the PS4, with it's low specs, to run at a stable quality. By adding a more robust platform like Neo, without changing the core game play, that will likely go to the visual quality of the game. It'll still be low rise but I'm thinking visually comparable to the PC counterpart.
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Sony already outright stated that Neo wasn't to get ANY exclusives to the original PS4 and i believe Microsoft did, too. No one left behind, if I remember their quote correctly.
MS doesn't even now what they want to do, Phil has changed his tune several times in a few days. I don't believe either one of them.
However, I think when you look at a game like RDR2 for example, that could be a worlds difference from someone running it on a stock ps4 vs a scorpio. It will be the same game yes, but we could get extra effects, better resolution, and a higher framerate. Pretty substantial.
So you basically think Sony is going to kill off a console that is performing on the level of the Wii to risk making a hardcore platform successful?
As long as the XB1 and PS4 exist, the Neo and it's competition will be limited by their existence.
Playstation Neo rumors may be false?
"In an interview with French gaming site JeuxVideo, when asked how Sony would handle a 2 TFLOP disadvantage in favour of Microsoft’s new machine, Sony Interactive Entertainment’s CEO Jim Ryan stated that those so-called facts were based on rumours that were fairly speculative in their nature and that people should talk once the final specs of the two consoles are actually announced. When confronted about the possibility that the 2TFLOP advantage might be true, Jim Ryan just laughed it off repeatedly, in a maniacal manner that would make Aku from Samurai Jack proud.
So what could Sony possibly have in store? Well the popular rumour, circulated by a leaker known to popular gaming forum NeoGaf asOsirisblack suggests that we are looking at a machine that benefits from 5.5 TFLOPS as opposed to the 4.1 TFLOPS that earlier leaks suggest. At this point, its all speculation but it wouldn’t surprise me if Sony were to react to the Scorpio by changing the specs of the Neo to bridge the gap in power between the two upcoming consoles. There are however other factors such as price and release dates. The sooner the Neo comes out, the higher the price of the console to match the higher specs. Many are expecting the Neo to either be launched at the holiday period this year or early next year. Needless to say, the mid-gen hardware arms race is well and truly under way. Microsoft laid their cards early and therefore Sony are well within their rights to make adjustments to limit any disadvantage they might face. We might get more concrete information from Sony at their Gamescom conference in Germany in August."
http://www.gameondaily.com/playstation-neo-might-be-more-powerful-than-you-think/
Hmm. That's interesting because Andrew House had a similar statement. I can’t say it wouldn't be surprising based on Sony's track record if this does turn up to be true.
"In an interview with French gaming site JeuxVideo, when asked how Sony would handle a 2 TFLOP disadvantage in favour of Microsoft’s new machine, Sony Interactive Entertainment’s CEO Jim Ryan stated that those so-called facts were based on rumours that were fairly speculative in their nature and that people should talk once the final specs of the two consoles are actually announced. When confronted about the possibility that the 2TFLOP advantage might be true, Jim Ryan just laughed it off repeatedly, in a maniacal manner that would make Aku from Samurai Jack proud.
So what could Sony possibly have in store? Well the popular rumour, circulated by a leaker known to popular gaming forum NeoGaf asOsirisblack suggests that we are looking at a machine that benefits from 5.5 TFLOPS as opposed to the 4.1 TFLOPS that earlier leaks suggest. At this point, its all speculation but it wouldn’t surprise me if Sony were to react to the Scorpio by changing the specs of the Neo to bridge the gap in power between the two upcoming consoles. There are however other factors such as price and release dates. The sooner the Neo comes out, the higher the price of the console to match the higher specs. Many are expecting the Neo to either be launched at the holiday period this year or early next year. Needless to say, the mid-gen hardware arms race is well and truly under way. Microsoft laid their cards early and therefore Sony are well within their rights to make adjustments to limit any disadvantage they might face. We might get more concrete information from Sony at their Gamescom conference in Germany in August."
http://www.gameondaily.com/playstation-neo-might-be-more-powerful-than-you-think/
Hmm. That's interesting because Andrew House had a similar statement. I can’t say it wouldn't be surprising based on Sony's track record if this does turn up to be true.
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Well no, but the thing is they are running the same GPU in those comparisons, scorpios has more powerful gpu then Neo, plus a better cpu and RAM. It could be fairly substantial, more than xb1/ps4. Remember, xb1/ps4 had basically the same cpu.
The (rumored) CPU of Neo is more than efficient to be placed with the (rumored) GPU.
I think the issue we can see with Neo could be based on the (rumored) 8gb of ram...well if they wanna do down-sampling,up the IQ and/or go higher resolutions.
Scorpio might include (rumored) 12gb and that would help things.
If we were talking a new console generation where new games were being built from the ground up for Neo and Scorpio I could see the concern for the CPU but how much do they really matter when the base games will be PS4 and Xbox 1 games? all of the improvements are going to be in the visuals, they aren't going to be adding extra physics or AI. I may be wrong but really it sounds like the CPU bound things will still mostly be based on what the older consoles can do so why does it matter if the newer ones get huge CPU upgrades or moderate upgrades? they'll still be better than what's on the PS4/X1 while still running basically the same things at the same levels as those older consoles. Again I could be wrong but it just seems like most of the complaints and examples about cpu bottlenecks aren't really accurate because they are first of all using PC's to compare when those CPU's are responsible for more than just the games and secondly these upgraded console games are really just going to be prettier PS4/X1 games and not built from the ground up for the new machines capabilities.
Yawn, Neo will be fine. Sony's devs will make up for any graphical shortfalls. The big differences will be seen in multis, but you'd probably have to have a 4k tv for it to matter as the Neo will get them to 1080/60 on anything released. You probably won't even notice unless the Scorpio gets higher LODs, which is quite possible given that the PC version will have em.
Too much dick waving, especially from people who acted so opressed by the last round of PS fanboy drivel. Hypocracies on all "sides".
End the cycle, quit being douchey...
I also note lots of declarative statements in a topic without concrete details...
Too much dick waving, especially from people who acted so opressed by the last round of PS fanboy drivel. Hypocracies on all "sides".
End the cycle, quit being douchey...
I also note lots of declarative statements in a topic without concrete details...
And that's exactly what it is. These are dated consoles to the PC:
Imagine using a Neo in the place of these dated consoles. I mean, c'mon... Are we really going to notice that much of a difference when dealing with two premium consoles on a multi platform title? I don't believe some are actually arguing over a few frames here. Now if you can apply that to some extra physics or better AI, I'm all for it.
Nothing meaningful, anyway. Hell, if one (like me) can argue that the differences between the x1 and PS4 were negligible before between 1080 and 900p, then certainly the differences between 1080 and 4k are as well. Sure it's noticeable, but if everything else is the same (lighting, ai, lod, framerate), it doesn't matter all that much.
Not that it won't be nicer, of course, but resolution doesn't impact the game past a certain level, and given a current gen baseline, all games should run 60fps. Only if devs put in that extra effort will it matter, and I think that unlikely outside of first party.
I imagine Scorpio games will just be sharper, for the most part, and the Neo will be plenty sharp already.
Of course, at this point it's all conjecture. It may well end up being more impactful than I think. Nothing to do but wait.
The Neo will be a nice little stop gap mid gen IMO. The PS4 is extremely under powered, and it seems NEO will address that OPTIONALLY for those of us that will be happy to upgrade. I love choice. It might not be very powerful, but it will be a nice change of pace to get consistent 1080p and 60fps games on our TV's, which btw, are going all 4K now.
The neo will be fine, sony games will always look good, especially exclusives. The issue I see is having the console underpowered in multplatforms. That's like taking a 2013 mid to high range PC(neo) and upgrading the every aspect of it, there will be huge differences in multiplatforms.
Soooo now there are 2 Neos...? Hmmmm. Appropriate timing.
http://www.gamepur.com/news/23460-m...powerful-high-clock-speed-55tf-price-499.html
Massive PS4 Neo Leak: GPU 2X Powerful With High Clock Speed, 5.5TF, Price $499, Dev Kits Already Out
OsirisBlack, a well-known insider on Neogaf, has leaked a ton of interesting new details about PlayStation 4 Neo (also known as PS4K). According to the OsirisBlack, this PlayStation Neo information comes straight from the reliable developer source. So without further ado, here are all the information OsirisBlack shared by Sony's next big thing in the gaming market.
PlayStation Neo (PS4K) GPU is going to be twice (2X) as powerful as the Standard PlayStation 4 and much faster. The source did not reveal exactly how fast the GPU is going to be, but it was confirmed that it will be running at a higher clock speed while being much smaller than the original.
About the price, the source revealed that PlayStation Neo is currently priced at $399, however, this might go up by a $100 more (to $499) because Sony is considering adding a better CPU which would raise the price. However, the source added that they have been guaranteed that the price of PS4 Neo will be no higher than $499. Furthermore, there will not be any trade-in program for current PlayStation 4 owners at the time of PlayStation Neo launch, but this could change in future.
Coming to the specs, in a thread on Neogaf, OsirisBlack revealed PlayStation Neo will offer 5.5 teraflops performance ($599 price point in this thread has being clarified by Osiris, and we have mentioned the details about it above) and will have a 4K Blu-Ray player and will upscale games that are not natively 4K.
Additionally, OsirisBlack revealed that few lucky developers have already received PlayStation 4K Dev Kits and they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specifications of the PS4K.
On the topic of performance upgrades for current games when played on PS4K, the source made it clear that there will not be any performance upgrades for current PS4 games by being played on PS4K. Any performance benefits to current (and old PS4 games) for PS4K will arrive via Patch Per Game and Per Developer. When asked if this was going to happen the response was
"Its a possibility but doubtful with the exception of a handful of games."
OsirisBlack went on to list TWO GAMES that are already in development for PlayStation 4K: "Capcom's Deep Down (a big surprise for those who thinks this game is already dead) and GOW4 (this is the exact term written on the sheet, and the only assumption that comes to mind if God of War 4)"
There were more games on the list but these are the ones that stood out the most, according to OsirisBlack.
UPDATE:
There were few mistakes in the article due multiple post from Osiris on Neogaf). Here is all the clarifications:
Sony is currently testing two different PS4 Neo models, out of these two only ONE will be selected for consumers. The first PlayStation 4 Neo variant offers a 4.2TF performance and has a Jaguar CPU and internally carries a price tag of $399.
The second variant of PlayStation 4 Neo offers a 5.5TF GPU and comes with a brand new CPU and carries a price tag of $499. Sony planning to release PlayStation 4 Neo either at the end of 2016 or before March 2016. If Sony decides to go with the $499 variant of PlayStation 4 Neo then it will be the first time in over a 10 Years time Sony will went with an External Power Supply.
PS4 NEO Rumor updates:
1. Sony debating on two machines internally.
A. Option A is 4.2 TF/Jaugar, $399
B. Option B is 5.5 TF/New CPU, $499
— Is A Parrot (@isaparrot) June 25, 2016
2. Nothing Sony is doing is reactionary to Scorpio. Both machines were tested from the beginning. Two different specs at seperate prices.
— Is A Parrot (@isaparrot) June 25, 2016
Here is the original post of OsirisBlack on Neogaf:
Nothing Sony is doing is reactionary to what MS is doing, there have always been two options. I would also like to stand by my original claim that the Scorpio will be more powerful than the Neo. (how much more is up for debate) In case it was forgotten the very first information I had for release dates was either Holiday this year or 1st quarter next year with a pin in March. (Stating it will be out before not during that month)
Talking to Diana and Bob (Hello Bob) the biggest problem is getting the price to the originally promised numbers. Sony does NOT want to revisit a $599 price point. Bob says internally they think waiting to Q1 would be best for helping them come in at the originally promised $499 and that's even if they decided to go for option B.
Also to people saying the specs are not final, they are final there are just two different specs. There are rumors that Sony is planning to release both machines I don't believe this will happen as it would be confusing as s***. Bob (Hello Bob) says one will likely be scrapped (so long blue pill) when the other goes into production. Also states that the form factor and casing could require them to use an external power brick this time around due to heating concerns.
Diana has no information at all about specifications, she also does not have anything suggesting Sony will release two separate skus outside of the OG PS4 and the Neo.
http://www.gamepur.com/news/23460-m...powerful-high-clock-speed-55tf-price-499.html
Massive PS4 Neo Leak: GPU 2X Powerful With High Clock Speed, 5.5TF, Price $499, Dev Kits Already Out
OsirisBlack, a well-known insider on Neogaf, has leaked a ton of interesting new details about PlayStation 4 Neo (also known as PS4K). According to the OsirisBlack, this PlayStation Neo information comes straight from the reliable developer source. So without further ado, here are all the information OsirisBlack shared by Sony's next big thing in the gaming market.
PlayStation Neo (PS4K) GPU is going to be twice (2X) as powerful as the Standard PlayStation 4 and much faster. The source did not reveal exactly how fast the GPU is going to be, but it was confirmed that it will be running at a higher clock speed while being much smaller than the original.
About the price, the source revealed that PlayStation Neo is currently priced at $399, however, this might go up by a $100 more (to $499) because Sony is considering adding a better CPU which would raise the price. However, the source added that they have been guaranteed that the price of PS4 Neo will be no higher than $499. Furthermore, there will not be any trade-in program for current PlayStation 4 owners at the time of PlayStation Neo launch, but this could change in future.
Coming to the specs, in a thread on Neogaf, OsirisBlack revealed PlayStation Neo will offer 5.5 teraflops performance ($599 price point in this thread has being clarified by Osiris, and we have mentioned the details about it above) and will have a 4K Blu-Ray player and will upscale games that are not natively 4K.
Additionally, OsirisBlack revealed that few lucky developers have already received PlayStation 4K Dev Kits and they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specifications of the PS4K.
On the topic of performance upgrades for current games when played on PS4K, the source made it clear that there will not be any performance upgrades for current PS4 games by being played on PS4K. Any performance benefits to current (and old PS4 games) for PS4K will arrive via Patch Per Game and Per Developer. When asked if this was going to happen the response was
"Its a possibility but doubtful with the exception of a handful of games."
OsirisBlack went on to list TWO GAMES that are already in development for PlayStation 4K: "Capcom's Deep Down (a big surprise for those who thinks this game is already dead) and GOW4 (this is the exact term written on the sheet, and the only assumption that comes to mind if God of War 4)"
There were more games on the list but these are the ones that stood out the most, according to OsirisBlack.
UPDATE:
There were few mistakes in the article due multiple post from Osiris on Neogaf). Here is all the clarifications:
Sony is currently testing two different PS4 Neo models, out of these two only ONE will be selected for consumers. The first PlayStation 4 Neo variant offers a 4.2TF performance and has a Jaguar CPU and internally carries a price tag of $399.
The second variant of PlayStation 4 Neo offers a 5.5TF GPU and comes with a brand new CPU and carries a price tag of $499. Sony planning to release PlayStation 4 Neo either at the end of 2016 or before March 2016. If Sony decides to go with the $499 variant of PlayStation 4 Neo then it will be the first time in over a 10 Years time Sony will went with an External Power Supply.
PS4 NEO Rumor updates:
1. Sony debating on two machines internally.
A. Option A is 4.2 TF/Jaugar, $399
B. Option B is 5.5 TF/New CPU, $499
— Is A Parrot (@isaparrot) June 25, 2016
2. Nothing Sony is doing is reactionary to Scorpio. Both machines were tested from the beginning. Two different specs at seperate prices.
— Is A Parrot (@isaparrot) June 25, 2016
Here is the original post of OsirisBlack on Neogaf:
Nothing Sony is doing is reactionary to what MS is doing, there have always been two options. I would also like to stand by my original claim that the Scorpio will be more powerful than the Neo. (how much more is up for debate) In case it was forgotten the very first information I had for release dates was either Holiday this year or 1st quarter next year with a pin in March. (Stating it will be out before not during that month)
Talking to Diana and Bob (Hello Bob) the biggest problem is getting the price to the originally promised numbers. Sony does NOT want to revisit a $599 price point. Bob says internally they think waiting to Q1 would be best for helping them come in at the originally promised $499 and that's even if they decided to go for option B.
Also to people saying the specs are not final, they are final there are just two different specs. There are rumors that Sony is planning to release both machines I don't believe this will happen as it would be confusing as s***. Bob (Hello Bob) says one will likely be scrapped (so long blue pill) when the other goes into production. Also states that the form factor and casing could require them to use an external power brick this time around due to heating concerns.
Diana has no information at all about specifications, she also does not have anything suggesting Sony will release two separate skus outside of the OG PS4 and the Neo.
Soooo now there are 2 Neos...? Hmmmm. Appropriate timing.
http://www.gamepur.com/news/23460-m...powerful-high-clock-speed-55tf-price-499.html
Massive PS4 Neo Leak: GPU 2X Powerful With High Clock Speed, 5.5TF, Price $499, Dev Kits Already Out
OsirisBlack, a well-known insider on Neogaf, has leaked a ton of interesting new details about PlayStation 4 Neo (also known as PS4K). According to the OsirisBlack, this PlayStation Neo information comes straight from the reliable developer source. So without further ado, here are all the information OsirisBlack shared by Sony's next big thing in the gaming market.
PlayStation Neo (PS4K) GPU is going to be twice (2X) as powerful as the Standard PlayStation 4 and much faster. The source did not reveal exactly how fast the GPU is going to be, but it was confirmed that it will be running at a higher clock speed while being much smaller than the original.
About the price, the source revealed that PlayStation Neo is currently priced at $399, however, this might go up by a $100 more (to $499) because Sony is considering adding a better CPU which would raise the price. However, the source added that they have been guaranteed that the price of PS4 Neo will be no higher than $499. Furthermore, there will not be any trade-in program for current PlayStation 4 owners at the time of PlayStation Neo launch, but this could change in future.
Coming to the specs, in a thread on Neogaf, OsirisBlack revealed PlayStation Neo will offer 5.5 teraflops performance ($599 price point in this thread has being clarified by Osiris, and we have mentioned the details about it above) and will have a 4K Blu-Ray player and will upscale games that are not natively 4K.
Additionally, OsirisBlack revealed that few lucky developers have already received PlayStation 4K Dev Kits and they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specifications of the PS4K.
On the topic of performance upgrades for current games when played on PS4K, the source made it clear that there will not be any performance upgrades for current PS4 games by being played on PS4K. Any performance benefits to current (and old PS4 games) for PS4K will arrive via Patch Per Game and Per Developer. When asked if this was going to happen the response was
"Its a possibility but doubtful with the exception of a handful of games."
OsirisBlack went on to list TWO GAMES that are already in development for PlayStation 4K: "Capcom's Deep Down (a big surprise for those who thinks this game is already dead) and GOW4 (this is the exact term written on the sheet, and the only assumption that comes to mind if God of War 4)"
There were more games on the list but these are the ones that stood out the most, according to OsirisBlack.
UPDATE:
There were few mistakes in the article due multiple post from Osiris on Neogaf). Here is all the clarifications:
Sony is currently testing two different PS4 Neo models, out of these two only ONE will be selected for consumers. The first PlayStation 4 Neo variant offers a 4.2TF performance and has a Jaguar CPU and internally carries a price tag of $399.
The second variant of PlayStation 4 Neo offers a 5.5TF GPU and comes with a brand new CPU and carries a price tag of $499. Sony planning to release PlayStation 4 Neo either at the end of 2016 or before March 2016. If Sony decides to go with the $499 variant of PlayStation 4 Neo then it will be the first time in over a 10 Years time Sony will went with an External Power Supply.
PS4 NEO Rumor updates:
1. Sony debating on two machines internally.
A. Option A is 4.2 TF/Jaugar, $399
B. Option B is 5.5 TF/New CPU, $499
— Is A Parrot (@isaparrot) June 25, 2016
2. Nothing Sony is doing is reactionary to Scorpio. Both machines were tested from the beginning. Two different specs at seperate prices.
— Is A Parrot (@isaparrot) June 25, 2016
Here is the original post of OsirisBlack on Neogaf:
Nothing Sony is doing is reactionary to what MS is doing, there have always been two options. I would also like to stand by my original claim that the Scorpio will be more powerful than the Neo. (how much more is up for debate) In case it was forgotten the very first information I had for release dates was either Holiday this year or 1st quarter next year with a pin in March. (Stating it will be out before not during that month)
Talking to Diana and Bob (Hello Bob) the biggest problem is getting the price to the originally promised numbers. Sony does NOT want to revisit a $599 price point. Bob says internally they think waiting to Q1 would be best for helping them come in at the originally promised $499 and that's even if they decided to go for option B.
Also to people saying the specs are not final, they are final there are just two different specs. There are rumors that Sony is planning to release both machines I don't believe this will happen as it would be confusing as s***. Bob (Hello Bob) says one will likely be scrapped (so long blue pill) when the other goes into production. Also states that the form factor and casing could require them to use an external power brick this time around due to heating concerns.
Diana has no information at all about specifications, she also does not have anything suggesting Sony will release two separate skus outside of the OG PS4 and the Neo.
I'll more than likely be a single SKU. And given the fact that their competition is already launching late next year alone with this being a premium console rather than the main consumer version, it really doesn't matter if they decide to go with the 5.5TF model since it is aimed at the PC elitist anyway. Had this been the entry level console's price and specs, it would be worrisome. The way I see it, the higher the power increase, the more negligible the PC's offer becomes. If the differences are already subtle at 4.2 TF, any advantage becomes almost non existed the higher the specs climb.
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It's already checkmate. And who cares? We're finally getting beastly hardware.
Although we have to pay the price for it again.
Although we have to pay the price for it again.
I'm with you Andy. At first I was not interested at all but the more I hear the more my curiosity is peaked. I doubt I'm going to be a day one purchaser mostly because I think that there will be more demand than supply but I will pick one up when it is easily available.