I know who you are talking about. Nightengale on Neogaf and twitter. He has some astute observations. Let's compare MS with Sony:
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I know who you are talking about. Nightengale on Neogaf and twitter. He has some astute observations. Let's compare MS with Sony:
I know who you are talking about. Nightengale on Neogaf and twitter. He has some astute observations. Let's compare MS with Sony:
I know the fact that this thread has devolved into list wars is partially my fault but I have never thought list wars was the best way to measure how well Xbox stacked up to the competition. Sony always dominates on paper and this goes back to the PS2 where quite literally there was a 5 to 1 ratio of exclusives on the PS2.
MS's success in the past was when they were releasing great exclusive time-sinks. Sony has always had far more quantity and variety of focused single player campaigns. How many single player campaigns would I need to beat to equate to the 1000+ hours I put into Halo 5?
Even if Xbox gets its act back together and hits its prime again, if they go back to doing what they did best, they'll still have fewer games but they will be time-sinks. Xbox 360 took off due to Halo, Gears, COD, Forza and Mass Effect...not because of a bunch of shorter story driven campaigns.
Crackdown and Sea of Thieves maintaining an audience a year from now is more important than 10 exclusive story driven games based on how the Xbox markets itself.
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The problem is not that Xbox has less games so much but more to the fact the number of games announced by Microsoft continues to decrease.This is not always a problem as game development is long and complex but going into year 3 and 4 should be the peak of announcements when studios have got to grips with the hardware and have had games in development for a couple of years now. 5 new games announced in one year is inexcusable especially when two of them are like remakes or ports. Microsoft have been in the gaming industry for over 15 years they simply have no excuse for the paucity of announcements.
Here is the final floor plans
It's a bit disheartening seeing MS having a smaller booth than even Nintendo.
With this E3 open to the public, you would think they would want to get Scorpio on 4K monitors in front of as many people as physically possibile. Showing off new games that take advantage of the extra power and old games to demonstrate that Scorpio will run older games better.
Yeah no disagreement there. My point was regarding list wars and evaluating the health of the brand in general. Compared to what they were, Microsoft games is at a low point. If they make the comeback many are hoping for, it won't show in list wars. The 3 games we know about having thriving communities months after launch will be a good start. 3 games being successful time-sinks can do a lot for the perceived quality of their exclusives but 3 games means little in a list where every exclusive is given equal value.
Yeah makes little sense. I'm biting my tongue until after E3...but speculation is pretty negative towards MSs interest in being a game publisher long term. That show floor backs up the negative Nancy's more than Spencer's words.
They had the Scorpio reveal Eurogamerstravaganza to open up more time at E3 for games, if I remember what they said correctly. They've said the right things about understanding the importance of showing games, especially first party. Hopefully they can deliver.
Like I've said before, Microsoft won't ever match Sony's first party output. But they should at least be on par with EA, Activision and Ubi soft.
It would actually be interesting to compare the sizes of the big 3 and some third parties and see who is the biggest. I would wager Ubisoft probably have the most as they have a ridiculous number of studios.
I know who you are talking about. Nightengale on Neogaf and twitter. He has some astute observations. Let's compare MS with Sony:
Yes, timmyboy to the rescue. Thank you. That's the chart I was thinking of.
Flip that first chart upside down mentally, imagine they are bricks, and you'll see a stair-step decline, from 16 bricks, to 12, to 10, then to 5. That's a bad trend, and it looks worse when the competition is piling up 20+ bricks consistently (not counting games announced at other conferences they put on during the year).
I have to believe two things are going to happen this E3:
1. MS is going to reverse this trend. There is no way they are just going to have a handful of new game announcements. Part of the dip must be because they have been saving up stuff for the Scorpio reveal. I expect them to put on their best show since 2013, do everything they can to win people over, and to do that, at least get back into the double digits.
2. Sony is going to cool off, probably drop down to the mid-teens, maybe a dozen new game announcements. I think they blew their load (so to speak) over the last couple of years. They really cannot have that much left to announce, at this point. They will put on a good show, they always do, but the bulk of it will be updates on games they've already announced.
PS E3 Experience? I just got tickets n now ever so tempted to walk in there with a shirt with the word Karen on it
A fairly reliable insider on Neogaf was saying MS will be not be announcing a ton of new games this year. As OneBadmutha alluded earlier Microsoft are now probably assessing their first party and figuring out how to go forward which will take time to fix.We might not see the benefits till 2019 at the earliest sadly.
As for Sony I do expect they will have less announcements because they quite frankly have so many games to cover and show new footage for before announcing new stuff.I expect quite a heavy emphasis on VR with new announcements as I suspect North West and London studio will have something to show and a dev of Santa Monica said they cannot wait to show their game in the 2nd wave of VR titles.Sucker Punch and Japan studio I suspect will be the only ones to announce new core PS4 games as not on VR this year. Probably a couple of 2nd party deals a'la Spidey and Death Stranding.
How come when i say these things i'm just being crazy? I've been watching the same three threads for the last 2 days with you guys debating the direction of the Xbox brand to no end but i make 2 posts and everyone goes nuts.
Yeah, though. I agree with you. That's why i always say, for all the PS games i play i wouldn't trade half of them for Gears of War 4. Gears is my bread and butter. The time sink that i need. I'd rather put hundreds of hours into a game i love than break it all up into multiple games if i had the choice.
This is why i love both platforms though. Xbox One and PS4 offer two totally different experiences to me and i wouldn't have it any other way. It would just be nice if Microsoft put more effort into first party and Sony could figure out how to create a multiplayer game that has legs.
Yeah, I've heard Shinobi say that. I guess I'm being optimistic. I'm also aware that MS can't just announce a handful of new titles. They are getting a lot of backlash already, and the backlash would continue if they did that. So I expect them to fluff up their announcement slate with projects that are still in the early stages. I think they will do what they can to avoid being seen as having yet another weak E3, after two in a row, when they're trying to win people over with Scorpio.
Sounds like you're more up on the specifics than I am. I agree that there won't be a lot of room for new stuff. The crowd will be happy to hear/see updates on a lot of the old stuff. They'll also need to spend time on the 3rd party games they've struck marketing deals with. So yeah, I don't expect a whole lot of new stuff. Maybe a half dozen nice surprises, but nothing in the realm of what we've seen the last couple of years.
It was the poster Matt who said this. Shinobi just said what was obvious that we know what their first party studios are working on. Which is irrelevant because whatever secret games they would have would be 2nd/3rd party deals.
Ok. Matt is reliable. "Not a ton" is a pretty vague statement, though. What's a ton? If they announce a dozen new titles, that's not a "ton," but it's still a big improvement over what they did last year -- enough to satisfy a lot of people, I imagine (depends on the games, of course).
I expect them to come out with considerably more than just 5 or 6. They know they need to put it all on the table. This is the big Scorpio reveal. A pivotal moment. They can't just boast about hardware we've known about for a year and show prettier versions of games we've known about for years, then offer a handful of new game announcements. That would just not fly, and I think they're smart enough to know that.
Even if they are just teases of games very early in development, they are going to stack the deck however they can. It's not just going to be 5 or 6, like last year. It can't be.
Well it could be just more GranTurismoUnchartedKillzoneStation milking output. That shouldn't be too hard to match and then some
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I just realized E3 is only about 10 days away. Wasn't really paying attention. It snuck up on me.
Hype level? 3 or 4, maybe. I always enjoy the E3 season -- lots of game information, lots of news and forum activity. I don't expect anything particularly exciting this year, so that's dampened my enthusiasm a bit. But then, the excitement usually comes from the things you don't expect, and there are always those.
Hype level? 3 or 4, maybe. I always enjoy the E3 season -- lots of game information, lots of news and forum activity. I don't expect anything particularly exciting this year, so that's dampened my enthusiasm a bit. But then, the excitement usually comes from the things you don't expect, and there are always those.
Well it could be just more GranTurismoUnchartedKillzoneStation milking output. That shouldn't be too hard to match and then some
On topic: Even if true, MS will just cancel some of their games they show anyway, so it evens out in the end.
Off topic: Bree Oldson is so gross now.
I think you have to look at both Microsoft and Sony realistically both are going to be hamstrung on announcements for different reasons. Microsoft because there are only a few top tier developers who are independent who could make AAA games for Xbox, you might get a lot more stuff on Recore's scale though. For Sony their big studios apart from Japan Studio all have announced games in the works and we know Guerrilla are already working on the next Horizon as they are staffing up on quest designers etc.The smaller studios apart from Sucker Punch, London, North West and PixelOpus all are accounted for too.I assume Sony have a plan otherwise they would have not shown TLOU part 2 at PSX. If anyone should be showing a ton of new announcement it's Nintendo as they have been quiet for years with Wii U failing.
Well, if it's E3, we've got to have a couple silly GIFs, even if we have to borrow them.
Ha! Ha! I love the Simpsons one!
On topic: Even if true, MS will just cancel some of their games they show anyway, so it evens out in the end.
Off topic: Bree Oldson is so gross now.
Leave my Bree alone, bitch!
I hope Sony doesnt make more studio closing announcements and game cancellations at E3 either.
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Me, too. The faces are perfect. I like to add sound effects in my head (Marge's voice, the squeaky bike wheels).
I said "optimistic," but really it's not that. It's more that I just can't believe MS would offer only a handful of new game announcements, at this crucial stage. It's Scorpio's big day in the sun. They've gotten lots of flak for not having much in the way of new game announcements over the past couple of years. They can't spend 90 minutes essentially going over what we already know, peppering in only half a dozen new game announcements.
Xbox guys would probably be okay with it, because they're inside the tent already, and they mostly seem hyped about hearing about Scorpio. It wouldn't play well outside the tent, though. It would reinforce the perception that they don't have much offer besides new hardware and games we already know about.
I just find it hard to believe that's what they would do. I think they have to pull out all the stops to make Xbox/Scorpio as exciting and attractive as possible, not just to people inside the tent but outside, too.