Pachter: PS4 November sales estimated @ 1.25 million, 66% more than Xbox One

Mr. Titan said:
I've given it many chances. I've tried it. I don't need it or find that it adds value to my experience. Some people may feel differently and I understand that.

I can access what I need to just as quickly without voice. And it only understands what I'm saying correctly maybe 60% of the time. For example, Xbox, 'Play Assassins Creed 4: Black Flag' was somehow read as Xbox, 'Play Music' just now. If I would have just hit the A button to play a game, I would have been in my game 10 seconds sooner.

It's also not a meaningful part of any of the games I plan on buying the rest of this year or next year (see my list above).



I just don't find it advantageous to use and there are some serious flaws. And like every other household out there that Microsoft is getting into, not only will the gamer or Xbox One fan (usually a guy) have to find Xbox One TV advantageous, but they will have to convince their wife, kids, girlfriends, parents, etc that it is advantageous and also teach them out to use it. The wife, kids, girlfriends, husbands, parents, etc might not care or find it advantageous or worth their time when the DVR works perfectly fine.

My girlfriend represents that scenario perfectly. And shes very good with smart phones and the computer.
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My wife loves, and I mean LOVES Kinect v1 on the 360 and uses it all the time. No way in hell I'll have to convince her to use the Kinectv2. I'll have to convince her that she bought the console for me and I should be able to use it more than she does!

Besides, the features and benefits of the XO sell itself. No need to convince. Those who buy one will know what their getting before hand. Unless their like you and purchase a console that comes with a camera that he doesnt have a need for. Why DID you buy the XO to begin with? You knew what you were stepping into. Whats the thinking? o_O

Ah well. To each his own. I wasnt trying to sway you mate. Just sharing my opinion is all.
 
A7MAD said:
I was able to secure mine for late December from DSE, but it will be shipped out to me, hoping to have it before years end.

There was someone here from AU claiming there are PS4's in store sitting on shelves, no idea which store or franchise, from what I can see all the bigger retailers here have none.

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Am I forgetting anyone?

PS4 is killing it in AU even though more X1's have been sold, yet X1's are in stock on shelves.
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Have more Xbox ones sold in in AU than PS4?
 
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-12-11-ps4-is-the-leading-system-of-this-generation-dfc

Sony didn't have enough PS4s to even cover preorders in Aus. Obviously a supply rather than demand issue. Look at global sales or sales of the largest markets.

Yes they're both selling well and Xbox has a lead in a few local spots due to supply. But the global picture is pretty obvious at this point. MS is choosing to saturate larger markets and launch in smaller ones later, while Sony chose wider distribution. We'll see how it shakes out.
 
Xbox One sells 2 Million Units in 18 Days
Some solid numbers coming out of the global Xbox One launch last month:
  • 2 Million Consoles sold through in 13-markets in the first 18-days
  • Over 83 million hours in games, TV, and apps on Xbox One since the system launched
  • 39 million Xbox One achievements unlocked
  • 595 million total Gamerscore achieved on Xbox One
  • At peak demand, customers were ordering the Xbox One console at over 1000 units per minute on Amazon.com
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http://majornelson.com/2013/12/11/xbox-one-sells-2-million-units-in-18-days/


Impressive.
 
Kerosene31 said:
Can we officially ignore everything Patcher says from now on?
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We don't know the USA/Europe breakdown, so theoretically Pachter's predictions may still be accurate, as his numbers were I'm fairly certain limited to the US market.
 
hrudey said:
We don't know the USA/Europe breakdown, so theoretically Pachter's predictions may still be accurate, as his numbers were I'm fairly certain limited to the US market.
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Yeah, you mean the X1 might not sell well in all the countries they aren't selling them in yet? :)
 
Kerosene31 said:
Yeah, you mean the X1 might not sell well in all the countries they aren't selling them in yet? :)
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I won't be content until we get final numbers for Elbonia. ;)

I'm just pointing out we don't know yet that Pachter was wrong. He predicted sales of 750k in the USA, which could theoretically still be the case if a large portion of the 2M were in other countries. But I suppose 2 million in 18 days vs. 2.1 million in 15 days (if I recall correctly) is a clear indicator that the pre-launch metrics of 2:1 preference are obviously absolutely correct, as long as 100,000 is twice as many as two million.
 
I said months ago both would sell out and it would mainly be a supply issue at launch. That's still holding true. It's good they're both selling out.

We don't know PS4's current global numbers but I wouldn't be surprised if they were closing on 3 mil or past it already. It's been 8 days since the 2 mil figure, time for plenty of sales. 3 mil to 2 mil = 66%/33% marketshare, aka the ratio reflected in most consumer metrics and business analysts predictions.

They're also stockpiling supply for the next round of country launches this month (Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, etc.) so sales may not immediately reflect held back supply. Global sales will give a more accurate picture.

I still think PS4 has more demand that will result in longer term sales when supply constraints are no longer an issue.
 
The Wolf King said:
So can we start laughing at Pachter and the doom and gloom mob on here?
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It won't stop them. People are just convinced that the X1 is a flop and that they are piling up unsold on store shelves.

For some reason the idea that Sony will sell more worldwide somehow makes X1 a flop.
 
Kerosene31 said:
It won't stop them. People are just convinced that the X1 is a flop and that they are piling up unsold on store shelves.

For some reason the idea that Sony will sell more worldwide somehow makes X1 a flop.
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The Wolf King said:
So can we start laughing at Pachter and the doom and gloom mob on here?
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Who is the "doom and gloom mob on here"? Have any quotes whatsoever from anyone here saying Xbox would be or is a "flop"? Of course not, you two are literally making things up. Nobody here said "Sony will sell more worldwide so that makes X1 a flop".

How is Patcher "doom and gloom" for reasonably predicting 40%/60% marketshare based on the majority of metrics? Does reasonable speculation bother you so much that you want to mock and "laugh at" people for it?

Xbox is selling out in most stores in NA, but it's also piling up on store shelves in a few smaller European countries dominated by PS4 sales. But feel free to ignore that distinction. That's the reason people focus on global sales over local.
 
consolewarz said:
Who is the "doom and gloom mob on here"? Have any quotes whatsoever from anyone here saying Xbox would be or is a "flop"? Of course not. Nobody here said "the idea that Sony will sell more worldwide somehow makes X1 a flop".

How is Patcher "doom and gloom" for reasonably predicting 40%/60% marketshare based on the majority of metrics? Does reasonable speculation bother you so much that you want to mock and "laugh at" people for it?

Xbox is selling out in most stores in NA, but it's also piling up on store shelves in a few smaller European countries dominated by PS4 sales. But feel free to ignore that distinction.
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Some people are trying to start console wars at every turn. The second someone posts positive news for XB1, you'll start seeing some posters antaginizing Sony fanboys by making comments like "watch the sony fanboys come poopoo all over this thread".
 
hrudey said:
I won't be content until we get final numbers for Elbonia. ;)

I'm just pointing out we don't know yet that Pachter was wrong. He predicted sales of 750k in the USA, which could theoretically still be the case if a large portion of the 2M were in other countries. But I suppose 2 million in 18 days vs. 2.1 million in 15 days (if I recall correctly) is a clear indicator that the pre-launch metrics of 2:1 preference are obviously absolutely correct, as long as 100,000 is twice as many as two million.
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Sony's announcement was after 19 days on the market.

And yeah, Pachter still might be accurate.

It all boils down to where units were shipped though as both are selling out. I don't know why anyone is claiming sales reflect features or consumer interest. Until they stop selling out the preferred console will be unknown.
 
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