Climate change documentary

[de3d1]

Interesting. I can't say I want to be around when my kids are in their 40-50s, but this doesn't look good for the short term at all. I remember telling my dad when I was a kid that by the time I was40 the planet would be going through the worst natural disasters ever seen, because I had learned that in class about climate change, its happening about 8 years ahead of schedule.

http://www.upworthy.com/how-can-one...-and-the-most-motivating-thing-ever?c=reccon3

 

[BraddersTheDog]

Yep we're pretty much f*cked.

 

[morfeeis]

The amount of stupid it takes to fall for crap like this should shock me, but this is america and people are stupid as f*** here, so carry on.

As a point of reference take a look at what the global warming folks in the 1970's said the earth would be like now, they pull crap out of their asses and uses predictions to freak the weak minded out. Human caused climate change is a joke.

 

[sharkboy1200]

It's amazing to me how moronic climate change deniers still are despite the scientific community supporting the evidence in mass.

 

[Partyman]

On the bright side I recently saw a show claiming that the hole in the Ozone has shrunk quite a bit over the last few years so..theres that.

 

[morfeeis]

It's amazing to me how moronic climate change deniers still are despite the scientific community supporting the evidence in mass.

I don't think any intelligent human being can be a true "climate change denier", just like i don't think any intelligent person can with any tiny bit of logic follow a line of thinking that for 30 years said if you do X the earth is going to get super hot then say if you do X it's going to get super cold and then just says it's going to do something and we're not sure but you better cut out x or you'll all die. (global warming to global cooling to climate change for the slow). all of which is based on a prediction that focuses on less than 10% of the atmosphere that is human caused.

the "scientific community" has agreed since the 70's and have been wrong on every prediction they have made. Why do people believe dribble that has been wrong about everything they say. hell the average temperature hasn't changed since 1998 despite doom and gloom warnings.

"Climate has always changed, and it always will. The assumption that prior to the industrial revolution the Earth had a "stable" climate is simply wrong. The only sensible thing to do about climate change is to prepare for it."

That about sums up my thoughts on the idea.

Here are a few quotes that make me smile

1. Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.

"Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972.

"Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010."Associated Press, May 15, 1989.

By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." Life magazine, January 1970.

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970

“It’s a real problem [the misinformation] … it shows that there really is something that needs to be fixed in the climate models.” – Climate scientist John Christy.

“I looked at 73 climate models going back to 1979 and every single one predicted more warming than happened in the real world.” – John Christy, professor at the University of Alabama Huntsville.

To be kind, these predictions could be characterized as foolish; but to be truthful, they must be called what they are: Lies, lies, lies!

Global warming predictions proven wrong 97.4% of the time
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/gl...s-proven-wrong-97-4-time/#gETJeHYMcOwx1jIL.99

"[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in"Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.

Yeah, you go ahead and listen to those guys.......

 

[sharkboy1200]

First thing I noticed is how you cherry picked individuals, tying them as representatives as the entire science community. More importantly, you're saying that because some got it wrong, it has to be all wrong.

The idea that there was a consensus in the 70s about imminent climate change was actually a myth, exaggerated by media at the time and deniers today. In truth, they were actually leaning towards a more long term scale of when the climate would change. As a matter of fact, the popular theory back then was that scientists figured the earth would end up cooling, when even then they more in the warming bracket of overall consensus.

...four questions that still stand today as central to the climate science enterprise:
(i) How large must a climate change be to be important?
(ii) How fast can the climate change?
(iii) What are the causal parameters, and why do they change?
(iv) How sensitive is the climate to small changes in the causal parameters?
Despite active efforts to answer these questions, a pervasive myth has taken hold in the public consciousness: That there was a consensus among climate scientists of the 1970s that global cooling or a full-fledged ice age was imminent...

In fact, emphasis on greenhouse warming dominated the scientific literature even then.

With estimated recoverable fossil fuel reserves sufficient to triple atmospheric carbon dioxide, the Panel wrote, “Man is unwittingly conducting a vast geophysical experiment.” With the emission of just a fraction of that, emissions by the year 2000 could be sufficient to cause “measurable and perhaps marked” climate change, the Panel concluded (PSAC 1965).

ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf

Media and deniers continue to cherry certain scientists and quotes as representative of the entire climate change debate.

There has been research showing that while the earth as a whole does ultimately create more CO2 than humans, the earth balanced itself on those numbers alone. Our use of fossil fuels have created a small addition true, but it disrupted the balance in which the earth had. We're raising the earth's temperature by three degrees Celsius and that alone has caused more weather changes in a single human lifetime than any other period. The past 14 years alone have shown record breaking extreme weather patterns, like the natural disaster forest fires for instance.
http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/knuttir/papers/knutti08natgeo.pdf

Data has actually been fairly agreeable with the way Earth has reacted and the idea that we don't have any say in climate change as it is presently doesn't match with the data at all.

A good source for current climate date:
http://climate.nasa.gov/

 

[morfeeis]

First thing I noticed is how you cherry picked individuals, tying them as representatives as the entire science community. More importantly, you're saying that because some got it wrong, it has to be all wrong.

The idea that there was a consensus in the 70s about imminent climate change was actually a myth, exaggerated by media at the time and deniers today. In truth, they were actually leaning towards a more long term scale of when the climate would change. As a matter of fact, the popular theory back then was that scientists figured the earth would end up cooling, when even then they more in the warming bracket of overall consensus.


Media and deniers continue to cherry certain scientists and quotes as representative of the entire climate change debate.

There has been research showing that while the earth as a whole does ultimately create more CO2 than humans, the earth balanced itself on those numbers alone. Our use of fossil fuels have created a small addition true, but it disrupted the balance in which the earth had. We're raising the earth's temperature by three degrees Celsius and that alone has caused more weather changes in a single human lifetime than any other period. The past 14 years alone have shown record breaking extreme weather patterns, like the natural disaster forest fires for instance.
http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/knuttir/papers/knutti08natgeo.pdf

Data has actually been fairly agreeable with the way Earth has reacted and the idea that we don't have any say in climate change as it is presently doesn't match with the data at all.

A good source for current climate date:
http://climate.nasa.gov/

Most forest fires are caused by humans
I disagree, with your point that the media pushed an extreme view and the main view was about global cooling, in the 1970's the movement was called global warming and still was up until the 2000's.
I just provided a link that proves that the global temperature hasn't changed in like 17 years or so, both sides agree on that.


while i did pick the more entertaining quotes, those are still the words of those that started and were respected by the global warming groups. also the link that states that 97.4% of climate change predictions have proven false isn't cherry picked, it's a real test of their results.

As for sources; i'll get independently verifiable sources, this white-house and it's branches are as creditable as the last one and their WMD bulls***.

 

[Oblong]

Whether man has had major, minor, or no effect on the earth's climate is a moot argument because taking care of our only habitable planet is the right thing to do. Of course the right thing rarely ever trumps decisions based upon financial gain.

 

[morfeeis]

Whether man has had major, minor, or no effect on the earth's climate is a moot argument because taking care of our only habitable planet is the right thing to do. Of course the right thing rarely ever trumps decisions based upon financial gain.

Now that i can agree with. being a big time camper, new hunter and outdoors guy i truly hate to see some numbnutts leave their trash or destroy this beautiful place in anyway.

 

[morfeeis]

Founder of greenpeace

 

[Z A C K]

I just don't want the polar bears to die.

 

[morfeeis]

I just don't want the polar bears to die.

don't be a wuss, think about them bear skin rugs......

 

[lowdru2k]

I thought Al Gore already covered this topic?

 

[Zer0beaT]

I thought Al Gore already covered this topic?

That we're totally f***ed?

When you hear scientists basically saying that if we all stopped polluting cold turkey tomorrow we'd still be screwed, and then realize that we're going faster and faster the other way despite now being aware of what we're doing to ourselves and our planet, it's hard to have any sort of optimism.

It's honestly becoming hard for me to not feel apathetic about what's going on.

My only hope is solar power, it's the only thing that makes sense to me.

But the more likely scenario is humans will die off completely and the Earth can clean itself up. The cows have to take a bit of blame too from what I hear with all that farting.

 

[de3d1]

First thing I noticed is how you cherry picked individuals, tying them as representatives as the entire science community. More importantly, you're saying that because some got it wrong, it has to be all wrong.

The idea that there was a consensus in the 70s about imminent climate change was actually a myth, exaggerated by media at the time and deniers today. In truth, they were actually leaning towards a more long term scale of when the climate would change. As a matter of fact, the popular theory back then was that scientists figured the earth would end up cooling, when even then they more in the warming bracket of overall consensus.


Media and deniers continue to cherry certain scientists and quotes as representative of the entire climate change debate.

There has been research showing that while the earth as a whole does ultimately create more CO2 than humans, the earth balanced itself on those numbers alone. Our use of fossil fuels have created a small addition true, but it disrupted the balance in which the earth had. We're raising the earth's temperature by three degrees Celsius and that alone has caused more weather changes in a single human lifetime than any other period. The past 14 years alone have shown record breaking extreme weather patterns, like the natural disaster forest fires for instance.
http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/knuttir/papers/knutti08natgeo.pdf

Data has actually been fairly agreeable with the way Earth has reacted and the idea that we don't have any say in climate change as it is presently doesn't match with the data at all.

A good source for current climate date:
http://climate.nasa.gov/

Agreed. Alot of the stuff that was said around the 60-70s had to be alot of BS, especially considering the technology we had then to make predictions. Not only that, the amount of record shattering disasters is a insane, not just that temperature changes setting records on both fronts, hot and cold. In my area in the last 5 years we've shattered all time records more than 5 times. Just random that this is happening all over the world?