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The no matchmaking thing is really getting me closer to cancelling my preorder.

How is throwing up a random LFG post any less random or better than matchmaking?

I still have yet to raid in D1 because of this. I don't have time for this crap to play your end game content. Some 10 year old yelling at me on LFG is no different than some random I'll get off matchmaking.

Heck I'll take someone random from the heroic strike playlist over most squeakers on LFG any day of the week. Just getting 2 others for the damn nightfall or Challenge of Elders is brutal.
 
The no matchmaking thing is really getting me closer to cancelling my preorder.

How is throwing up a random LFG post any less random or better than matchmaking?

I still have yet to raid in D1 because of this. I don't have time for this crap to play your end game content. Some 10 year old yelling at me on LFG is no different than some random I'll get off matchmaking.

Heck I'll take someone random from the heroic strike playlist over most squeakers on LFG any day of the week. Just getting 2 others for the damn nightfall or Challenge of Elders is brutal.
It is different. But certainly isn't immune from the bad eggs.

You haven't done a raid so you don't really know what you are talking about. Nightfall & COE are no great departures from. a strike or lowest tier POE. Raids are more complex.

Now, I am no expert raider in Destiny, but imo you need 1 of 2 thins to raid. You either need one or two people who know exactly what they are doing so they can tell everybody else what to do....or you need a whole team miced up and communicating.

I do agree thouh. No guided games in the hardest content is bulls***.
 
The no matchmaking thing is really getting me closer to cancelling my preorder.

How is throwing up a random LFG post any less random or better than matchmaking?

I still have yet to raid in D1 because of this. I don't have time for this crap to play your end game content. Some 10 year old yelling at me on LFG is no different than some random I'll get off matchmaking.

Heck I'll take someone random from the heroic strike playlist over most squeakers on LFG any day of the week. Just getting 2 others for the damn nightfall or Challenge of Elders is brutal.
As much as you play Destiny.....
You aint skipping 2 ;)
 
It is different. But certainly isn't immune from the bad eggs.

You haven't done a raid so you don't really know what you are talking about. Nightfall & COE are no great departures from. a strike or lowest tier POE. Raids are more complex.

Now, I am no expert raider in Destiny, but imo you need 1 of 2 thins to raid. You either need one or two people who know exactly what they are doing so they can tell everybody else what to do....or you need a whole team miced up and communicating.

I do agree thouh. No guided games in the hardest content is bulls***.

The tools to find people should all be in the game though. Whether that is matchmaking or something else.
 
The tools to find people should all be in the game though. Whether that is matchmaking or something else.
Absolutly aagre.

They knew heroic wasn't using guided games so why not have put an LFG terminal in the safezone.
 
It is different. But certainly isn't immune from the bad eggs.

You haven't done a raid so you don't really know what you are talking about. Nightfall & COE are no great departures from. a strike or lowest tier POE. Raids are more complex.

Now, I am no expert raider in Destiny, but imo you need 1 of 2 thins to raid. You either need one or two people who know exactly what they are doing so they can tell everybody else what to do....or you need a whole team miced up and communicating.

I do agree thouh. No guided games in the hardest content is bulls***.

The problem is that hard mode quickly becomes "default" mode as people will level past it pretty quickly and nobody wants to run "normal" mode anymore. (that's the problem too as people who should run normal mode don't and instead want to be carried)

I've said give us an in game space with open mics to talk or something. That would be 1000 times better than LFG alone. Just finding people with mics that don't suck would be a huge improvement. You're probably not on PS4 but the mic situation on there is even worse than Xbox. Few people run mics, and even fewer have a decent headset for it. You go into a game and hear the echo of the in-game audio multiple times after.
 
The problem is that hard mode quickly becomes "default" mode as people will level past it pretty quickly and nobody wants to run "normal" mode anymore. (that's the problem too as people who should run normal mode don't and instead want to be carried)

Yeah I said exactly the same thing.

The big issue for me is Bungie is already talking crap and half truths. I mean you can't say you added guided games so more people could experidnce the pinnacle end game content and then later say that feature doesn't work with the actual pinnacle content.

Only way this will work out is if there ks no difference between loot and drop rates between normal & hard...but if that is the case then hard mode is pretty much irrelevant.
 
Yeah I said exactly the same thing.

The big issue for me is Bungie is already talking crap and half truths. I mean you can't say you added guided games so more people could experidnce the pinnacle end game content and then later say that feature doesn't work with the actual pinnacle content.

Only way this will work out is if there ks no difference between loot and drop rates between normal & hard...but if that is the case then hard mode is pretty much irrelevant.

The raid system is fundamentally flawed. You need experience to complete it, but how do you complete it to get that experience? There's literally no way to understand how to do it without doing it.

I put myself out there on LFG and am honest about my experience and nobody picks me. So, most people lie.

I was hoping they found a way to break up the parts into small stages - keep raids the same length, just break them up and add matchmaking. The kick is you can't advance to the next section until you complete the previous in normal mode. Let me and 5 other randos thrash on learning a piece at a time (you can kind of do this now but not really).

How else are people going to learn? Instead they lie about their experience and hope to get carried.
 
The raid system is fundamentally flawed. You need experience to complete it, but how do you complete it to get that experience? There's literally no way to understand how to do it without doing it.

I put myself out there on LFG and am honest about my experience and nobody picks me. So, most people lie.

I was hoping they found a way to break up the parts into small stages - keep raids the same length, just break them up and add matchmaking. The kick is you can't advance to the next section until you complete the previous in normal mode. Let me and 5 other randos thrash on learning a piece at a time (you can kind of do this now but not really).

How else are people going to learn? Instead they lie about their experience and hope to get carried.
You can easily understand how to do it without doing it. You have loads of guides on youtube...and to be honest you should be watching them before trying to raid at this point in time.

Why don't you make your own LFG and call all noobs to raid with you. There are plenty of them and withou stupid restrictions your team might fill up quick.
 
The raid system is fundamentally flawed. You need experience to complete it, but how do you complete it to get that experience? There's literally no way to understand how to do it without doing it.

I put myself out there on LFG and am honest about my experience and nobody picks me. So, most people lie.

I was hoping they found a way to break up the parts into small stages - keep raids the same length, just break them up and add matchmaking. The kick is you can't advance to the next section until you complete the previous in normal mode. Let me and 5 other randos thrash on learning a piece at a time (you can kind of do this now but not really).

How else are people going to learn? Instead they lie about their experience and hope to get carried.

I didn't find experience to be the factor on whether I'd get picked up from LFG. It was all about the weapon meta. If you didn't have the right weapon combinations for maximum damage you would have a very hard time of getting picked up for a Raid team. I hope Bungie really balances the weapons this time or it'll be a repeat of that scenario for the sequel.

To be honest no matchmaking for the hardest content has really put me off about the sequel. It was a pain having to balance my table on my knee and constantly refresh it while logged into LFG to do Raids. And the thing of it was I'd get on some really crappy teams that didn't know what they were doing making me realize LFG was no different from in-game matchmaking.
 
You can easily understand how to do it without doing it. You have loads of guides on youtube...and to be honest you should be watching them before trying to raid at this point in time.

Why don't you make your own LFG and call all noobs to raid with you. There are plenty of them and withou stupid restrictions your team might fill up quick.

I've watched the guides for the 2 originals and can probably do them. There's no substitute for experience though. I still feel like I'd be a liability, and that's what most people say. The end of the 1st raid seems really damn complicated and the kind of thing that you just aren't going to handle well without experience.
 
I've watched the guides for the 2 originals and can probably do them. There's no substitute for experience though. I still feel like I'd be a liability, and that's what most people say. The end of the 1st raid seems really damn complicated and the kind of thing that you just aren't going to handle well without experience.

I've beaten all the raids save for the latest one. You would have no problem with it as long as you get a group that can coordinate. Literally every other person playing the game uses LFG or Reddit, myself included, and have no problems getting a team together. Sometimes you get a good team , other times you don't. That's just the roll of the dice.
If you spent the same amount of time trying to get a team together as you do about complaining about LFG you'd probably have soloed Vault of Glass by now.
 
I didn't find experience to be the factor on whether I'd get picked up from LFG. It was all about the weapon meta. If you didn't have the right weapon combinations for maximum damage you would have a very hard time of getting picked up for a Raid team. I hope Bungie really balances the weapons this time or it'll be a repeat of that scenario for the sequel.

To be honest no matchmaking for the hardest content has really put me off about the sequel. It was a pain having to balance my table on my knee and constantly refresh it while logged into LFG to do Raids. And the thing of it was I'd get on some really crappy teams that didn't know what they were doing making me realize LFG was no different from in-game matchmaking.
Only time I found that to be the case was with Kings Fall and Touch of Malice. Even looking over LFGs now there are hardly any askinh for specific weapons.

Although I do recall that must have gally for everything phase.
 
So...

Veteran Rewards - Seems gungie will be bringing some stuff to help Distinguish those who have spent time in D1 and completed certain milestons. Right now they only mention emblems...Pretty much all of them are based on moments of triumpth and are unobtainaboe now. Ones you still can get are reach rank 7 in the AOT book and get over 5K grimoire.

Social Spaces - It appears D2 will have more than one. My prediction is all or most planets will have one. Which makes sense when you consider that toing to orbit is almost gone and they wan't you doing things via the world map instead.

Destinty 1 Event Cut Off Dates - Last Iron Banner August 1st. Last Trials of Osiris August 18th ( I think) every thing else will continue as normal.
 
So...

Veteran Rewards - Seems gungie will be bringing some stuff to help Distinguish those who have spent time in D1 and completed certain milestons. Right now they only mention emblems...Pretty much all of them are based on moments of triumpth and are unobtainaboe now. Ones you still can get are reach rank 7 in the AOT book and get over 5K grimoire.

Social Spaces - It appears D2 will have more than one. My prediction is all or most planets will have one. Which makes sense when you consider that toing to orbit is almost gone and they wan't you doing things via the world map instead.

Destinty 1 Event Cut Off Dates - Last Iron Banner August 1st. Last Trials of Osiris August 18th ( I think) every thing else will continue as normal.

I hope we get more than an emblem but I can't really see it happening. A cool D1 vet shader would be nice or some unique armour.

I'm curious about the date cut off. So they are taking out features from D1? Why? It's still a game that's avail for people to buy.
 
I hope we get more than an emblem but I can't really see it happening. A cool D1 vet shader would be nice or some unique armour.

I'm curious about the date cut off. So they are taking out features from D1? Why? It's still a game that's avail for people to buy.

There absolutely is more. They just aren't telling us...right now. A shader is likely. Head over to Bungie.net and read their weekly update.

Everything else will run as normal forever. So yeah, not entirely sure why..perhaps a server issue?
 
There absolutely is more. They just aren't telling us...right now. A shader is likely. Head over to Bungie.net and read their weekly update.

Everything else will run as normal forever. So yeah, not entirely sure why..perhaps a server issue?

Yeah I misread the first part. That's cool. Let's see what they give us. I don't think I'm too far from 5k grimoire score at the moment.
For the event cut off, yeah it's probably a combination of resources and money. They don't want to pay to host the old events and no want to waste development/ maintenance time on them.
 
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Extremely stupid. PvP just kiled PvE.

Lets face it there are only two ways this system can really work..
1.) You have a s***tonne of weapons and perks.
2.) You massively decrease the rate you get loot.

The latter is terrible and one oof the big early criticisms around exotic drop rate. And the former, well, destiny has always been content lite. So I don't have much hope there.

Honestly, this news is seriously making me reconsider buying the game.
 
I am feeling you after some of these dumb decisions Bungie's been making.

Bungie jusst seems intent on killing the game. They know this system doesn't work well, it was their excuse for removing perk re-rolling for god sake.
 
I'm willing to give the new perk system a shot. The problem with D1 was that the perks were totally unbalanced. You had multiple versions of perks, one which was clearly better than the others in every way. There was zero tradeoff. You wanted the best perk set and you kept grinding until you got it. For example you had hand loaded or hammer forged. Well, the one was a bigger boost so why would you ever want the other? There were so many perks that were just completely useless. Not situational, just useless.

For me, that was not "fun" but extremely frustrating to get guns and have to dismantle them because of a bad perk roll.
 
There don't seem to be many who are pleased by this news. So I think Bungie are going to have to explain this change in greater detail.

Don't they have something in their contract that penalizes them heavily if games don't make ship dates? If they don't have anything that mandates the games actually, you know, have to be good, this might be their way of mailing it in. Launch all zig for great profit!
 
I'm willing to give the new perk system a shot. The problem with D1 was that the perks were totally unbalanced. You had multiple versions of perks, one which was clearly better than the others in every way. There was zero tradeoff. You wanted the best perk set and you kept grinding until you got it. For example you had hand loaded or hammer forged. Well, the one was a bigger boost so why would you ever want the other? There were so many perks that were just completely useless. Not situational, just useless.

For me, that was not "fun" but extremely frustrating to get guns and have to dismantle them because of a bad perk roll.
And yet you could have got god roll weapons many times.

Also, PvP was always going to have a specific meta. The random perks was a PvE feature and in PvE the meta is anything the individual wants.

The new system will be perfect for the casual player who doesn't listen and buys a grindy game but doesn't want to grind. Assuminb g bungie doesn't weight drop chance to the point that it takes 100 hours to get a single legendary drop.

You also failed to mentionn tye other thing. Now you will have the vast majority lf weapons that don't have the new god roll. Which means less diversity and a massive shrinking of useable loot.