No way ROTTR wouldn't have been made without MS exclusivity, the previous game did very well both commercially and with reviewers.
Forbes article on PS4 and cross-play
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No way ROTTR wouldn't have been made without MS exclusivity, the previous game did very well both commercially and with reviewers.
That's because of their idiotic expectations, plus wasn't that statement made before the PS4/X1 versions shipped? I don't remember exactly when they made that comment, either way I have no doubt that the game would have been made.
Different with FromSoftware and Sony cause... Sony owns the IP's and Sony's dev teams also made the games.
Yeah, exactly. There's always a catch. Let's not assume that Microsoft wants cross play out of the kindness of their heart. They didn't want it last gen when everything was gravy for them. They won't announce sales numbers, but they're quick to announce how many people play on Xbox Live and how game hours have gone up 11% or whatever.
Like come on. Sony isn't foolish. No reason to help them out and until we see PS gamers who aren't just Xbox gamers in disguise demanding cross play it's a non issue. Just a way to get back at Sony for all the DRM bashing early this gen. It comes in waves. Stand your ground Sony, don't give into the bully. They ain't taking our lunch money no more.
If MS (or any company) wants cross play between consoles it's because it benefits them somehow, it may also benefit others but yeah they don't do it just to make people happy. It's never been something that consoles had before this gen and it's not something people should expect, if it does happen that's great but it doesn't change anything for me one way or the other. I don't play MP much and when I do I never have a hard time finding enough people to play with as it is.
Exactly nothing as its not the same type of deal and Bloodborne and Demons Souls couldn't release on other platforms because of it unlike the MS/SE TR partnership.
Microsoft has a decent lead this gen over last gen. Sony said they wanted it before, but they never actually committed to anything. It's actually Sony, who is in a different place, with their lead, this go round. If anything, THAT seems to be the main difference here!
I'm sorry, but that excuse about "the children" is laughable. They say OK to PC, but not Xbox or Switch? Yeah, PC is definitely safer... Riiiiiight!
People using that excuse are just as bad as Sony saying it's to protect the children. Call of Duty, Battlefield, and other big multiplayer games on PS3 and PS4 have never had a lack of players to play with. Unless Killzone is coming to Xbox One or something i don't think there's a game on PS4 that would benefit from having more players to play with. As far as multiplats go, games die off and won't survive anyway. Not a big difference between 2,000 people and 2,450 people at the end of the day if there was cross play. Like who even wants this nonsense right now?
Talk to me when all big games are ready for cross play and it benefits both parties. Signing into Xbox Live through a PS4? Unreal, lol. Sony was like that once too, when trying to make a console with Nintendo they supposedly wanted the rights to Mario and Zelda. You know what happened there. That's how we got the PlayStation brand. Don't get me wrong, cross play is something i want in the future but we're just not there yet.
I think you didn't interpret my post properly. What I was asking was, if MS was there for development by actually assisting them in creation of the game in addition to the financing, then any actual help they did with designing the game would have carried over into the PS4 version.
Why did MS contribute to developing a game, hands on, knowing that the work they did would find its way to the competing console?
They did it (funding/dev. help) with the guarantee of the year long console exclusive, and (hopefully) the financial windfall that would come of it.
I'm sure there was funding because that bought the exclusivity, as far as development help I have a hard time believing they were more involved than just trying to help CD get the most out of the X1.
LoL! Even from your own quote did Sony NOT state making any deals regarding their other competitors merging with them in online; they were talking about the PC and their other devices. That would be you reading too much into that quote to prove a point. Don't even go there. PlayStation Network has been thriving well before Microsoft brought this cross-play up and tried to include them into it. Sony is obviously shutting it down because it comes of no advantage to their ecosystem especially with their competitors on the bottom. In case you haven't been paying attention, it is not them that keeps stressing over this merge, which you are obviously choosing to ignore to prevent pointing the blame elsewhere.
There is no doubt in my mind that they would do this and a whole lot more if given the opportunity.
I remember when Phil said something about not talking down on the competition and to congratulate them and all that jazz, but the first opportunity he got where he really made a difference (PlayStation lacking a 4K drive and true 4K ), he most certainly pulled out the low blows to the media, and Andrew House called him out on it along the lines of 'the peace he spoke of didn't last very long'. Of course this is not to condone anything Sony does to others; this is a merely an example of me showing you that at the end of the day, these two firms are still competitors that thrive of profit, and they will do what it takes to knock the other to the bottom so that they can reign total supreme.
Microsoft is in a bad position when compared to their leading competition. So of course they want Sony to merge servers with them NOW. Why not be the wolf inviting the sheep over for dinner?
During the partnership when Nintendo turned Sony down, Sony went searching for a better alternative. They didn't go back badgering them for that partnership. When Microsoft turned Sony down, Sony moved on and is likely preparing for something better that doesn't share the risk in handing their marketing position over to their thirty competition.
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Looking for something better than cooperating for the sake of gamers? Yeah, it's called corporate greed. Sony is under different leadership now.
Good for you guys, that you can agree with this behavior, even though it benefits no one... except Sony themselves.
I'm sure before Sony had ever entered the console race, you would have probably said the same thing. There is always something better starting with the commonly owned devices we already have that is not tied down to a gaming platform supporting it.
Again, PlayStation Network is growing stronger everyday, and it is expanding beyond just the console. What do you think PlayStation Vue, and Now is? If all you see is a thirsty competitor's game console merging with PSN to create the ultimate online experience, then you're not looking hard enough.
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That's what I just said. Of course they're going to want to help CD to get the most outta the XB1 version, it'll only help sales of the XB1 version during the exclusivity period.
When was the last time Microsoft said anything about this merge with Sony since they first announced it back in March of 2016? This is equivalent to talking to someone without ever looking them in the face in order to get a reaction out of them. Sony isn't doing this to Nintendo nor are they doing it to Apple for knocking them on their ass. Hell, after Microsoft turned down their proposal, they left it alone. Instead of complaining about the pass, they started innovating and came up with an alternative solution to win users over. Why shouldn't this apply anywhere else?
Hard work yields results, not the other way around
Literally nobody has said they made a deal. There was never a "deal" or a "merge" to be made, that was never on the table. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about?
Amazing goalpoast shift though, I like how you completely gloss over your bs claim that people were confused about and Sony was replying to an unrelated comment. Gloss over the fact that it is a direct question about crossplay. Gloss over the fact that MS wasn't the company that started the crossplay conversation...
I'm not even sure where you see MS "stressing" or "badgering them" over this, they mentioned their network was open to crossplay once last year, made zero mentions of Sony directly then proceeded to do what they said and have Rocket League updated for crossplay as well as have games release with crossplay over Windows 10; then this year announced an update to Minecraft that makes it crossplay with other consoles/devices/platforms, literally the only time they ever made mention of PlayStation was the Minecraft developer responding directly to a question of whether they'd include PlayStation in with crossplay. They did mention Nintendo though.
I honestly don't think you are taking yourself seriously here, any statement I made here can be backed up with actual verifiable information with quotes and links to refute what you're saying, you are making up things based off of your gut feeling and trying to change the conversation to argue against things I didn't say.
How dare Microsoft & Xbox make mention of the hardware features and advantages of their consoles!
Absolutely damning. I take it all back, they're the devil.
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Sorry, but the Vita does cross-play (online cross-play) and so does the PC with the PlayStation platforms. The ecosystem is already there. Where is the benefit for them that you seem to believe they meant other than one distant competitor expanding the activity on their own side? I believe you're looking too much into that quote of yours.
You made the claim that Sony wasn't responding to a question about crossplatform play with Xbox, and that people had mistankenly taken a GDC comment about Vita+PC+PS4 crossplay out of context and ran with it....
The quote that I'm looking into too much, that I highlited, bolded, underlined and made bigger so you can read it, shows that what you're saying is a lie.
I guess you're just going to just not address anything I'm actually typing here besides stuff you made up?
Who even said this is particularly beneficial to Sony? I haven't commented on this either way. It is benificial to consumers though, that's where my focus is.
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"We are keeping our fingers crossed for Rocket League paving the way,"
Is that the quote you were talking about? The comment is not only vague but leaves room for a wide range of assumptions, which I'm sure was purposely done to keep the discussion professional without completely shutting the door in their competition's face.
In regards to Phil slinging mud, i wish it had gone that smoothly but it didn't otherwise Andrew would not have called him out. Honestly, i could give a hoot's ass. They are competitors and I expect no less. The problem I have is people painting this merge as an innocent pass that Sony is simply rejecting just to be stubborn. In essence, because they are competitors, and Sony is kicking the snot out of everyone else with Microsoft trying to carter to a very similar demographic as the leading competition, there is no doubt in my mind that they aren't wanting Sony to jump aboard on goodwill alone. They are determined to steal Sony's position from them by any means necessary -- even if that regards them portraying to be the good guys in the media's eye to achieve that.
That depends on how you'd like to define that in your own way. I think we can clearly see what's happening here, though. So make of that what you want.