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Digital foundry seems to think it's not the same CPU. Their writer has the actual SOC in his possession. Perhaps you can show us yours, or kindly shut the f*** up.

Val is in denial, next will come anger before finally acceptance.

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Val,

You should be the last one calling people mad. You've been banned so many times on this forum and had so many of your posts deleted when you go haywire cussing.

Just like the time I called your son dopey. Big time yelling spree. Relax, it's all kidding around on this forum.

Don't take these forums so seriously. Remember all times TDBank and I bickered back and forth during TXB? Guess what? We all know it's hilarious. We don't do it anyore, we're both on each other's Xbox friends list and he now sometimes posts using a different angle (one week it's Xbox, one week it's PS as the flavour of the month). All in good fun.

So as I said to you before, just chill out dude. Don't ruin the forum.

Sony just released PS4 Pro, Ninty just released Switch, and MS is releasing Scorpio in about half a year. It's a good time for gaming as all makers are transitioning to something new.

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The PS4 Pro's CPU is pretty much a straight upclock, Cerny pretty much said so himself that they didn't want to make customizations to the CPU because they didn't think they could keep compatibility that way.

The Scorpio's CPU was not a mere upclock; there were definite redesigns. A lot of it was just support for additional bandwidth of the GDDR5, but they also literally profiled every XBox One game and iterated on the CPU/GPU design against those shipped games to identify additional bottlenecks that they could mitigate.

The CPU in the PS4/Pro isn't off the shelf though, again there are things that they've done to get more benefits out of it. I'm not saying they customized it as much as MS did for Scorpio, then again they didn't really need to. Customizations will only do so much, you are still dealing with a jaguar that's only 200mhz faster than the CPU in the Pro, if you are expecting miracles out of that I think you'll be disappointed. The GPU in the PS4 Pro has features that the Scorpio doesn't and the Scorpio GPU has features that the one in the Pro doesn't, they took different paths here based on their goals and timing.
 
I can guarantee when the scorpio vs pro threads hit from DF and others, people here will downplay the results of YT even though most won't watch it on a true 4k screen. They'll watch at 1440p "ah yeah, looks about the same."

You mean like a lot of xbox fanboys were doing when Pro footage was shown?
 
Digital foundry seems to think it's not the same CPU. Their writer has the actual SOC in his possession. Perhaps you can show us yours, or kindly shut the f*** up.
Exactly. All that really matters is the performance.

It's like car engines. Common engines are V4, V6, V8. Doesn't mean all V4s are the same. Some are better than others.
 
You mean like a lot of xbox fanboys were doing when Pro footage was shown?
You mean the initial footage where Cerny stood in front of a screen babbling about tech specs for 20 minutes in a dark room and tried to tell gamers Pro graphics are better when everyone is streaming the video on their computer which is not 4k or HDR?

Don't blame Xbox fans. That was a lousy way of revealing the console.

Or DF analyzing Pro games and noticing only a small handful are true 4k, most are checkerboard, and some Pro games actually run worse than the vanilla OG game.

Don't blame Xbox fans. Go blame DF, Sony or the devs who did the Pro patches.

Or maybe you mean resolution wars? Last gen, 99.9% of gamers didn't care about resolution. Most games were 720p, 360 had slight resolution advantages (CoD, R*), yet nobody really cared. You can tell nobody cared since Call of Duty in it's glorious "600p" 1,000 x 600 resolution was loved by the media and gamers and sold 20 million copies each year. On the other hand, all the other shooters at higher res (usually 720p) were tossed aside.

The lowest resolution game last gen sold the most every year..... with exception of maybe the year GTA4 came out.... but you know what I mean.

It was Sony gamers pinpointing resolution advantages this gen. Fair enough. Go ahead. Now that Scorpio should have games at higher res more often, it's just the same thing back at Sony gamers.
 
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Val,

You should be the last one calling people mad. You've been banned so many times on this forum and had so many of your posts deleted when you go haywire cussing.

Just like the time I called your son dopey. Big time yelling spree. Relax, it's all kidding around on this forum.

Don't take these forums so seriously. Remember all times TDBank and I bickered back and forth during TXB? Guess what? We all know it's hilarious. We don't do it anyore, we're both on each other's Xbox friends list and he now sometimes posts using a different angle (one week it's Xbox, one week it's PS as the flavour of the month). All in good fun.

So as I said to you before, just chill out dude. Don't ruin the forum.

Sony just released PS4 Pro, Ninty just released Switch, and MS is releasing Scorpio in about half a year. It's a good time for gaming as all makers are transitioning to something new.
See you had to go there again
I will report this post...if nothing happens ima tell you about yourself and get banned like I did before and its worth it for posters like yourself.
 
Nope, there will be native 4k big name games on Scorpio, some this winter.
I think that's fair.

I'm ready to grab a 4k tv in the fall too. Should be cheap. 60" 4k tvs with HDR can be scored for $1,500.

The good thing about Scorpio is the focus on giving gamers options between res, visuals and performance. It won't come close to PC slider tweaks, but a handful of options between hi/lo visuals and performance will be nice.

If 4k/60 fps isn't default, I'll be going 4k/30 fps for SP games (like a Fallout or Skyrim), but for sports and twitch shooters, sub-4k/60 fps.

That freesync thing is intriguing, but by the looks of it, it's such a new feature for TVs, no TV even has it. So might have to miss out on that. I don't see myself gaming on a high end PC monitor.

If a freesync TV comes out in a few years, I'll get that for my entertainment hub, and put the non-freesync tv elsewhere.
 
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Here you go again with the line adjusted Val, big baby...... You got to get some tougher skin.

You should be the last one calling people mad. You've been banned so many times on this forum and had so many of your posts deleted when you go haywire cussing.

Don't take these forums so seriously. Remember all times TDBank and I bickered back and forth during TXB? Guess what? We all know it's hilarious. We don't do it anyore, we're both on each other's Xbox friends list and he now sometimes posts using a different angle (one week it's Xbox, one week it's PS as the flavour of the month). All in good fun.

So as I said to you before, just chill out dude. Don't ruin the forum.

Sony just released PS4 Pro, Ninty just released Switch, and MS is releasing Scorpio in about half a year. It's a good time for gaming as all makers are transitioning to something new.
 
Here you go again with the line adjusted Val, big baby...... You got to get some tougher skin.

You should be the last one calling people mad. You've been banned so many times on this forum and had so many of your posts deleted when you go haywire cussing.

Don't take these forums so seriously. Remember all times TDBank and I bickered back and forth during TXB? Guess what? We all know it's hilarious. We don't do it anyore, we're both on each other's Xbox friends list and he now sometimes posts using a different angle (one week it's Xbox, one week it's PS as the flavour of the month). All in good fun.

So as I said to you before, just chill out dude. Don't ruin the forum.

Sony just released PS4 Pro, Ninty just released Switch, and MS is releasing Scorpio in about half a year. It's a good time for gaming as all makers are transitioning to something new.
Other than him being banned, he really hasn't been, I agree with the rest of the post.
 
So wait you agree with the attempt to make it personnel from him.
Lets see he put.....
I should chill when you f***ing fanboys can't handle somebody else's perspective because it blows up
people's over-expectations of what there precious Scorpio will be capable of.
Up 2 this point I posted nothing where I was the one who needed 2 chill but your instigating,hurt feelings,never has a point ass who talks s*** from behind a computer screen had to go there.
I take s*** talk on my family very seriously and would luv to get my hands on you.


ban away its not worth it
If there is an attack on a family member, I don't take it lightly. I don't see it. Am I missing something?
 
Insulting family members is no bueno. We have a code of conduct here and EVERYBODY should feel accepted when debating. Bringing family members up again just to get a rise out of others won't be tolerated.
 
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Fair enough. I have deleted the post.

I made my point, in which I hope Val gets the message about his never ending anti-MS posts.

You need to consider your words before you post. Val's posts may be anti Microsoft but alot of his posts come as neutral too. Point is I consider Val an essential part of this forum as his posts serve as a check to the otherwise overwhelming Microsoft support.

Debate kindly not personally.
 
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The CPU in the PS4/Pro isn't off the shelf though, again there are things that they've done to get more benefits out of it. I'm not saying they customized it as much as MS did for Scorpio, then again they didn't really need to. Customizations will only do so much, you are still dealing with a jaguar that's only 200mhz faster than the CPU in the Pro, if you are expecting miracles out of that I think you'll be disappointed. The GPU in the PS4 Pro has features that the Scorpio doesn't and the Scorpio GPU has features that the one in the Pro doesn't, they took different paths here based on their goals and timing.

Except. You. Are. NOT. Still. Dealing. With. A. Jaguar. Same offer as I made Val - DF says it's customized to the point they don't list it as a Jaguar. They cite MS employee who says it's not really appropriate to call it a Jaguar. They have the SOC in their possession. If you want to show us your Scorpio Engine and cite your interview with an actual first party source, I'll give your position the merit it would then be due. Until then, pics or it didn't happen.
 
Remember all times TDBank and I bickered back and forth during TXB? Guess what? We all know it's hilarious. We don't do it anyore, we're both on each other's Xbox friends list and he now sometimes posts using a different angle (one week it's Xbox, one week it's PS as the flavour of the month). All in good fun.

Wait, what?! Where does TDBank post like that. He's always been a team green stalwart here. We've always been at war with Eastasia.
 
One thing I don't like about "Generations being over" is that half the fun of a console reveal, was seeing the new control.

I love the idea of keeping my controllers, but it does kind of muffle some of the fanfare.

(And woah, the vibe got a tad awks. My step mother is a real bitch... But luckily my dad died, so I never see her anymore.)
 
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