Let Jinca downplay the Scorpio while you play the Scorpio. No need to go to bat for MS. Games should do their own talking soon enough.
General console meh talk.
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Let Jinca downplay the Scorpio while you play the Scorpio. No need to go to bat for MS. Games should do their own talking soon enough.
It will be interesting to compare multiplatform titles.
It will also be interesting to see if parity matters to certain people anymore.
It will also be interesting to see if parity matters to certain people anymore.
I'm not downplaying it I'm being realistic and I'm planning on buying one. It's the most powerful console period, it's not perfect though and it will have it's bottleneck just like every piece of hardware does. They worked hard to make the cheapest CPU as effective as possible but it's still not going to be as good as going with something more advanced, you can't make a Hyundai a Ferrari no matter how much you dress it up, you can make it the best Hyundai it can be but it's still a Hyundai. I'm not saying that to downplay it, again it is the most powerful console but it's not the equivalent of a next gen console as some here say and the CPU in it isn't a gigantic leap over what is in the current most powerful console but when it comes to speed at least it's a little bit better.
I guess if you don't praise something to the heavens here it counts as downplaying, if someone's ego is that fragile that's their issue they need to deal with.
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Who ever said Scorpio's "custom" cpu is going to be a Ferrari? Who said it's going to go toe-to-toe with good PC cpu?
Nobody.
So cut the crap Jinca. Everyone knows you prefer Sony systems. That's fine and all. Just don't go assuming every gamer out there thinks Scorpio's cpu is going to be an i7. Everyone knows it's a modest cpu, so we don't need your rhetoric on a daily basis lecturing everyone you are Mr. Know It All.
Might as well give up on the crusade man. I already tried to bring another angle to the discussion over in the Scorpio thread and i was shot down with lots of are you off your meds TD posts and gifs. Do you want to become an internet meme JinCA? Cause trying to debate against Xbox fans on an Xbox site will turn you into an internet meme. So now i'm back.. blending in again.
Scorpio = gotta have realistic expectations
Pro = the sky's the limit.
I heard the Pro is actually over 8 TF's.
Pro = the sky's the limit.
I heard the Pro is actually over 8 TF's.
Yeah. Something to do with taking PS4 Pro's 4.2 tf and doubling it to 8.4 tf due to some way PS4 Pro can compute things, while Scorpio can't do the same.
Never heard anyone say the sky is the limit with the Pro, I have seen that 8 TF thing on another forum though, not this one.
MS claims the total balance of the system allows developers to go from 900p to 4k without losing frame rates and gain other stuff. No matter how much we debate the CPU here, proof one way or another will be here soon. Not sure why anyone would be willing to die on the sword for or against the claims without seeing any real games running and not knowing what these customizations are. If Scorpio does what MS is claiming, I'll be looking forward to Hot Chips to see what sort of customizations helped them pull it off. If the games struggle to keep up frame rates at 4K, we'll know all the custom CPU talk was fluff and hype.
*Looks at thread title.
Nonsensical posts make sense to you?
There are posts on this page suggesting that there is some wide conspiracy to make the Scorpio's specs seem barely above or equal to what the PS4pro can do.
Some of you guys need to cut the tinfoil card. As far as I can tell even the most ardent PS4 supporters at least on this site have said the Scorpio is a significant upgrade.
Calling individuals out for nonsensical claims and going on a witch hunt is not going to produce a productive debate.
I hear you. I just figured since this thread was created because of the nonsense that you're speaking of that nonsense was allowed in here. Otherwise, why even keep the thread open? We already know people can't debate rationally without taking jabs at the plastic and each other.
You can debate rationally without making it personal. Should be a fairly easy concept to understand.
This thread exists to prevent such debates from spilling over into other dedicated threads. Posts that serve nothing other than to bring a rise in people are what lead to personal attacks. I'm just getting fed up with the witch hunts that are going around and the claims that others are somehow diminishing the scope of Scorpios power advantage.
I would never just come right out and say who because that would be trolling. I am very astute to the lax rules here
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[QUOTE="The Living Tribunal, post: 609764, member: 445" I'm just getting fed up with the witch hunts that are going around and the claims that others are somehow diminishing the scope of Scorpios power advantage.[/QUOTE]
But if the Scorpio weighs the same as a duck then it must be made out of wood, and therefore.... a witch!
But if the Scorpio weighs the same as a duck then it must be made out of wood, and therefore.... a witch!
I'm confused with who you actually have a problem with in here. But i know it's not me, so i don't care. Anyone got a problem with TD, you take it up with my lawyers. I'm just here to entertain and have a good time. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
But if the Scorpio weighs the same as a duck then it must be made out of wood, and therefore.... a witch![/QUOTE]
But she turned me into a NEWT!
A newt?
....I got better...
But if the Scorpio weighs the same as a duck then it must be made out of wood, and therefore.... a witch![/QUOTE]
lol. Exactly.
http://wccftech.com/the-surge-not-close-maxing-ps4-pro/
The Surge’s Deck13: We’re Not Remotely Close To Maxing PS4 Pro; Scorpio Could Run It at Native 4K@30
Frankfurt-based studio Deck13 Interactive has been active since 2001, but it only got into the gaming industry’s spotlight with 2014’s action-RPG Lords of the Fallen.
Arguably the best Souls-like game until the recent Nioh, the game did well enough that publisher CI Games announced a sequel, which will not be developed by Deck13. The German development team instead switched publisher to Focus Home Interactive and went on to make The Surge, a similar kind of game set in a dystopian future where Earth is nearing the end of its life.
We’ve covered the game extensively throughout its development, including a Gamescom 2016 eyes-on preview and a recent hands-on at What’s Next de Focus. As part of our coverage ahead of the May 16th launch, we talked to Deck13’s PR & Marketing Manager Michael Hoss and Principal Programmer Benjamin Glatzel about the game’s technical specifications and differences with Lords of the Fallen.
Look forward to our review soon.
What are the main improvements you feel will differentiate The Surge from Lords of the Fallen?
Michael Hoss: You mean besides the setting? Quite a lot actually. But I think the one thing that stands out the most is the combat system and the fact that this time you don’t choose a class at the very beginning of the game. When Lords of the Fallen was released, many players chose a class which didn’t fit their playstyle as they expected something different. This time we let the player chose his own playstyle through implants, armor and weapons. That way players will basically be able to create their own class. Do they prefer to be a tank and take damage or be more agile and deal lots of damage? While I’m talking about being agile: Many people said that the combat in Lords was rather slow. Well, we changed that. The whole combat system got rewritten and we’ve introduced a unique loot system. You could say you have to pay the iron price: you can only get what you cut. Also, the whole system is really combat driven. The more combat oriented the player approaches the game, the more he will be rewarded.
You’ve announced that PS4 Pro users may choose between a dynamic 4K@30FPS mode and a 1080P@60FPS mode. Are there any graphical differences (like textures, effects) etc. between these two modes other than resolution?
Benjamin Glatzel: Both modes offer the same range of visual effects and the same texture quality. The only differences lay in the resolution and the refresh rate.
Can you give us specifics on the dynamic 4K mode, such as the minimum and maximum resolution ranges and the average range according to your estimates?
Benjamin Glatzel: In ‘Quality Mode’ mode we’re offering an internal render buffer size of 1620p. There’s *nothing* out of the ordinary going on here (neither Checkerboard Rendering nor 4K Geometry Rendering). Instead, every rendering pass in the background is actually processed in 150% of the base resolution. So even passes that are processed in a lower resolution, like parts of our particle rendering, fog volumes or volumetric lights, benefit greatly.
The Surge will get an HDR update shortly after launch. Was it hard to add this to the game? How much of a graphics improvement do you think it is?
Benjamin Glatzel: The HDR feature was added pretty late in the production cycle. Thus neither the lighting nor the post-processing content were specifically set up with this feature in mind. To sum up the integration process: we just had to adjust a few of our rendering passes, change the backbuffer format and provide the correct tone mapping operator in our post processing pipeline. Enabling HDR in The Surge won’t be a game changer, but the gain in color range and light intensity is clearly noticeable.
Will HDR be available on all platforms (PS4, Xbox One S and PC)?
Benjamin Glatzel: Currently the HDR support has been announced for the PS4 and PS4 Pro. That’s all we can say right now.
Do you think Scorpio will be able to run the game at native 4K@30FPS all the time?
Benjamin Glatzel: Given the current state of our rendering backends and given the specs of the Scorpio, 4k @ 30 FPS might be really close. Sadly we didn’t have the chance to touch the Scorpio – yet.
How much of a benefit will the extra RAM (12 GB GDDR5) compared to PS4 Pro’s 8GB GGDR5 +1 DDR3 be? On the flipside, PS4 Pro can handle 2×16-bit ops at once unlike Scorpio – will that help close the performance gap a bit?
Benjamin Glatzel: We’re not using any sort of streaming system in our engine. Thus all our resources for the currently active level have to be loaded into memory and *stay* loaded till the player leaves the level. So, the more memory we can get our hands on, the higher the texture resolution might turn out in the end. On PS4 we’re actually pretty close to the available resource limits and the additional memory on the Pro came in handy to support the bigger render targets needed for the ‘Quality Mode’.
We’ve already utilized half precision floating point arithmetics on the Pro for a couple of shaders and the gain was clearly noticeable. These optimizations were one of the many steps we had to undertake to break the 60 FPS mark in ‘Performance Mode’. We’re planning to improve upon that in the future as we are permanently improving our engine and we’re also pretty confident that we’re not remotely close to what the PS4 Pro can actually handle.
Do you plan to use DirectX 12 or Vulkan in the future to get more performance out of these new low-level APIs?
Benjamin Glatzel: We are constantly improving our engine and we planning to overhaul a lot of our engine subsystems in the future – learning from all the issues we’ve encountered during the development of The Surge and past projects. Alongside revamping our engine core, we’re also planning to modernize the render system and all of our rendering backends. Vulkan will be a fundamental part on PC and DirectX 12 will be the candidate for the primary graphics API on Xbox One.
The Surge’s Deck13: We’re Not Remotely Close To Maxing PS4 Pro; Scorpio Could Run It at Native 4K@30
Frankfurt-based studio Deck13 Interactive has been active since 2001, but it only got into the gaming industry’s spotlight with 2014’s action-RPG Lords of the Fallen.
Arguably the best Souls-like game until the recent Nioh, the game did well enough that publisher CI Games announced a sequel, which will not be developed by Deck13. The German development team instead switched publisher to Focus Home Interactive and went on to make The Surge, a similar kind of game set in a dystopian future where Earth is nearing the end of its life.
We’ve covered the game extensively throughout its development, including a Gamescom 2016 eyes-on preview and a recent hands-on at What’s Next de Focus. As part of our coverage ahead of the May 16th launch, we talked to Deck13’s PR & Marketing Manager Michael Hoss and Principal Programmer Benjamin Glatzel about the game’s technical specifications and differences with Lords of the Fallen.
Look forward to our review soon.
What are the main improvements you feel will differentiate The Surge from Lords of the Fallen?
Michael Hoss: You mean besides the setting? Quite a lot actually. But I think the one thing that stands out the most is the combat system and the fact that this time you don’t choose a class at the very beginning of the game. When Lords of the Fallen was released, many players chose a class which didn’t fit their playstyle as they expected something different. This time we let the player chose his own playstyle through implants, armor and weapons. That way players will basically be able to create their own class. Do they prefer to be a tank and take damage or be more agile and deal lots of damage? While I’m talking about being agile: Many people said that the combat in Lords was rather slow. Well, we changed that. The whole combat system got rewritten and we’ve introduced a unique loot system. You could say you have to pay the iron price: you can only get what you cut. Also, the whole system is really combat driven. The more combat oriented the player approaches the game, the more he will be rewarded.
You’ve announced that PS4 Pro users may choose between a dynamic 4K@30FPS mode and a 1080P@60FPS mode. Are there any graphical differences (like textures, effects) etc. between these two modes other than resolution?
Benjamin Glatzel: Both modes offer the same range of visual effects and the same texture quality. The only differences lay in the resolution and the refresh rate.
Can you give us specifics on the dynamic 4K mode, such as the minimum and maximum resolution ranges and the average range according to your estimates?
Benjamin Glatzel: In ‘Quality Mode’ mode we’re offering an internal render buffer size of 1620p. There’s *nothing* out of the ordinary going on here (neither Checkerboard Rendering nor 4K Geometry Rendering). Instead, every rendering pass in the background is actually processed in 150% of the base resolution. So even passes that are processed in a lower resolution, like parts of our particle rendering, fog volumes or volumetric lights, benefit greatly.
The Surge will get an HDR update shortly after launch. Was it hard to add this to the game? How much of a graphics improvement do you think it is?
Benjamin Glatzel: The HDR feature was added pretty late in the production cycle. Thus neither the lighting nor the post-processing content were specifically set up with this feature in mind. To sum up the integration process: we just had to adjust a few of our rendering passes, change the backbuffer format and provide the correct tone mapping operator in our post processing pipeline. Enabling HDR in The Surge won’t be a game changer, but the gain in color range and light intensity is clearly noticeable.
Will HDR be available on all platforms (PS4, Xbox One S and PC)?
Benjamin Glatzel: Currently the HDR support has been announced for the PS4 and PS4 Pro. That’s all we can say right now.
Do you think Scorpio will be able to run the game at native 4K@30FPS all the time?
Benjamin Glatzel: Given the current state of our rendering backends and given the specs of the Scorpio, 4k @ 30 FPS might be really close. Sadly we didn’t have the chance to touch the Scorpio – yet.
How much of a benefit will the extra RAM (12 GB GDDR5) compared to PS4 Pro’s 8GB GGDR5 +1 DDR3 be? On the flipside, PS4 Pro can handle 2×16-bit ops at once unlike Scorpio – will that help close the performance gap a bit?
Benjamin Glatzel: We’re not using any sort of streaming system in our engine. Thus all our resources for the currently active level have to be loaded into memory and *stay* loaded till the player leaves the level. So, the more memory we can get our hands on, the higher the texture resolution might turn out in the end. On PS4 we’re actually pretty close to the available resource limits and the additional memory on the Pro came in handy to support the bigger render targets needed for the ‘Quality Mode’.
We’ve already utilized half precision floating point arithmetics on the Pro for a couple of shaders and the gain was clearly noticeable. These optimizations were one of the many steps we had to undertake to break the 60 FPS mark in ‘Performance Mode’. We’re planning to improve upon that in the future as we are permanently improving our engine and we’re also pretty confident that we’re not remotely close to what the PS4 Pro can actually handle.
Do you plan to use DirectX 12 or Vulkan in the future to get more performance out of these new low-level APIs?
Benjamin Glatzel: We are constantly improving our engine and we planning to overhaul a lot of our engine subsystems in the future – learning from all the issues we’ve encountered during the development of The Surge and past projects. Alongside revamping our engine core, we’re also planning to modernize the render system and all of our rendering backends. Vulkan will be a fundamental part on PC and DirectX 12 will be the candidate for the primary graphics API on Xbox One.
A legit YT comment from the Phil video.
XBOX SCORPIO vs PS4 PRO
World Most Powerful Console SCORPIO✔ PRO
Exclusive Games On PC/Steam SCORPIO ✔ PRO✔
Digital Game Refund Policy SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Looking Multiplats SCORPIO✔ PRO
Highest Audio/Video Bit-rates SCORPIO✔ PRO
Dolby Atmos 7.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO
True (Native) 4K Gaming SCORPIO✔ PRO
Curren-Gen-Games Scaled To (Native 4K) SCORPIO✔ PRO
Over 100 Native 4K Games SCORPIO✔ PRO
Cross-Play SCORPIO✔ PRO
EA Access SCORPIO✔ PRO
Mixed Reality Headset SCORPIO✔ PRO
HDR SCORPIO✔ PRO✔
4K Blu-ray Player SCORPIO✔ PRO
Backward Compatibility SCORPIO✔ PRO
Download Hundreds Of Games $10 SCORPIO✔ PRO
High Fidelity VR SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Online SCORPIO✔ PRO
4K 60FPS Video Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
100+ PC/Windows 10 Apps SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Quality Free Games SCORPIO✔ PRO
Console Mods SCORPIO✔ PRO
HDMI 2.0a for VR SCORPIO✔ PRO
Retroactive Screen Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
Vapor chamber cooling SCORPIO✔ PRO
Runs last gen games better SCORPIO✔ PRO
16x Anisotropic texture filtering SCORPIO✔ PRO
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Shader 6 SCORPIO✔ PRO
PC Ultra-like Graphics SCORPIO✔ PRO
HDMI 2.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO
Dynamic HDR 4K Player SCORPIO✔ PRO
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Radeon Freesync 2 SCORPIO✔ PRO
XBOX SCORPIO vs PS4 PRO
World Most Powerful Console SCORPIO✔ PRO
Exclusive Games On PC/Steam SCORPIO ✔ PRO✔
Digital Game Refund Policy SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Looking Multiplats SCORPIO✔ PRO
Highest Audio/Video Bit-rates SCORPIO✔ PRO
Dolby Atmos 7.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO
True (Native) 4K Gaming SCORPIO✔ PRO
Curren-Gen-Games Scaled To (Native 4K) SCORPIO✔ PRO
Over 100 Native 4K Games SCORPIO✔ PRO
Cross-Play SCORPIO✔ PRO
EA Access SCORPIO✔ PRO
Mixed Reality Headset SCORPIO✔ PRO
HDR SCORPIO✔ PRO✔
4K Blu-ray Player SCORPIO✔ PRO
Backward Compatibility SCORPIO✔ PRO
Download Hundreds Of Games $10 SCORPIO✔ PRO
High Fidelity VR SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Online SCORPIO✔ PRO
4K 60FPS Video Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
100+ PC/Windows 10 Apps SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Quality Free Games SCORPIO✔ PRO
Console Mods SCORPIO✔ PRO
HDMI 2.0a for VR SCORPIO✔ PRO
Retroactive Screen Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
Vapor chamber cooling SCORPIO✔ PRO
Runs last gen games better SCORPIO✔ PRO
16x Anisotropic texture filtering SCORPIO✔ PRO
50% Faster HDD speeds for 4K textures SCORPIO✔ PRO
Shader 6 SCORPIO✔ PRO
PC Ultra-like Graphics SCORPIO✔ PRO
HDMI 2.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO
Dynamic HDR 4K Player SCORPIO✔ PRO
AMD Freesync/Variable Refresh SCORPIO✔ PRO
Radeon Freesync 2 SCORPIO✔ PRO
XBOX SCORPIO vs PS4 PRO
World Most Powerful Console SCORPIO✔ PRO No doubt
Exclusive Games On PC/Steam SCORPIO ✔ PRO✔
Digital Game Refund Policy SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Looking Multiplats SCORPIO✔ PRO
Highest Audio/Video Bit-rates SCORPIO✔ PRO
Dolby Atmos 7.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO Is possible with Pro but not sure why it hasn't been talked about yet*
True (Native) 4K Gaming SCORPIO✔ PRO Both have some true 4K games and both will have less than 4K games.
Curren-Gen-Games Scaled To (Native 4K) SCORPIO✔ PRO My Pro scales to 4K nicely.
Over 100 Native 4K Games SCORPIO✔ PRO Scorpio will not have over 100 TRUE 4K games when it launches.
Cross-Play SCORPIO✔ PRO Pro does in fact have cross play.
EA Access SCORPIO✔ PRO
Mixed Reality Headset SCORPIO✔ PRO PSVR and its real not a rumor like the MRH.
HDR SCORPIO✔ PRO✔
4K Blu-ray Player SCORPIO✔ PRO Repeating lol.
Backward Compatibility SCORPIO✔ PRO Well Pro has it.... but it sux.
Download Hundreds Of Games $10 SCORPIO✔ PRO $10 a month service
High Fidelity VR SCORPIO✔ PRO A VR headset has been announced?
Best Online SCORPIO✔ PRO OPINION
4K 60FPS Video Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
100+ PC/Windows 10 Apps SCORPIO✔ PRO Have you saw the windows 10 wannabe Android apps LOL?
Best Quality Free Games SCORPIO✔ PRO Tie
Console Mods SCORPIO✔ PRO Huh both have games with Mods
HDMI 2.0a for VR SCORPIO✔ PRO This SUX bad for the PSVR
Retroactive Screen Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
Vapor chamber cooling SCORPIO✔ PRO
Runs last gen games better SCORPIO✔ PRO
16x Anisotropic texture filtering SCORPIO✔ PRO Pro has this as well.
50% Faster HDD speeds for 4K textures SCORPIO✔ PRO Huh?
Shader 6 SCORPIO✔ PRO Have to look into this one.
PC Ultra-like Graphics SCORPIO✔ PRO Not @ 4K with Modern games like all 3rd party games.
HDMI 2.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO Number of TV's with HDMI 2.1? (but its kool to have)
Dynamic HDR 4K Player SCORPIO✔ PRO Dynamic? wth LOL 4K UHDBR player is what it is...and lets hope 4 DV.
AMD Freesync/Variable Refresh SCORPIO✔ PRO Might be possible with Pro
Radeon Freesync 2 SCORPIO✔ PRO See above.
Bigger Game Library PRO
Highest Rated Exclusives PRO(not even close)
Best 3rd Party Exclusives PRO(not even close)
Streaming HDR Content Scorpio(as of now at least)
World Most Powerful Console SCORPIO✔ PRO
No doubtExclusive Games On PC/Steam SCORPIO ✔ PRO✔
Digital Game Refund Policy SCORPIO✔ PRO
Best Looking Multiplats SCORPIO✔ PRO
Highest Audio/Video Bit-rates SCORPIO✔ PRO
Dolby Atmos 7.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO
Is possible with Pro but not sure why it hasn't been talked about yet*True (Native) 4K Gaming SCORPIO✔ PRO
Both have some true 4K games and both will have less than 4K games.Curren-Gen-Games Scaled To (Native 4K) SCORPIO✔ PRO
My Pro scales to 4K nicely.Over 100 Native 4K Games SCORPIO✔ PRO
Scorpio will not have over 100 TRUE 4K games when it launches.Cross-Play SCORPIO✔ PRO
Pro does in fact have cross play.EA Access SCORPIO✔ PRO
Mixed Reality Headset SCORPIO✔ PRO
PSVR and its real not a rumor like the MRH.HDR SCORPIO✔ PRO✔
4K Blu-ray Player SCORPIO✔ PRO
Repeating lol.Backward Compatibility SCORPIO✔ PRO
Well Pro has it.... but it sux.Download Hundreds Of Games $10 SCORPIO✔ PRO
$10 a month serviceHigh Fidelity VR SCORPIO✔ PRO
A VR headset has been announced?Best Online SCORPIO✔ PRO
OPINION4K 60FPS Video Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
100+ PC/Windows 10 Apps SCORPIO✔ PRO
Have you saw the windows 10 wannabe Android apps LOL?Best Quality Free Games SCORPIO✔ PRO
TieConsole Mods SCORPIO✔ PRO
Huh both have games with ModsHDMI 2.0a for VR SCORPIO✔ PRO
This SUX bad for the PSVRRetroactive Screen Capture SCORPIO✔ PRO
Vapor chamber cooling SCORPIO✔ PRO
Runs last gen games better SCORPIO✔ PRO
16x Anisotropic texture filtering SCORPIO✔ PRO
Pro has this as well.50% Faster HDD speeds for 4K textures SCORPIO✔ PRO
Huh?Shader 6 SCORPIO✔ PRO
Have to look into this one.PC Ultra-like Graphics SCORPIO✔ PRO
Not @ 4K with Modern games like all 3rd party games.HDMI 2.1 SCORPIO✔ PRO
Number of TV's with HDMI 2.1? (but its kool to have)Dynamic HDR 4K Player SCORPIO✔ PRO
Dynamic? wth LOL 4K UHDBR player is what it is...and lets hope 4 DV.AMD Freesync/Variable Refresh SCORPIO✔ PRO
Might be possible with ProRadeon Freesync 2 SCORPIO✔ PRO
See above.Bigger Game Library PRO
Highest Rated Exclusives PRO(not even close)
Best 3rd Party Exclusives PRO(not even close)
Streaming HDR Content Scorpio(as of now at least)
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Youtube list wars?
Was watching Sony's 2016 E3 last night to brush up on my knowledge. And there was a comment on the video that stood out. If you watched the show it's gold.
Microsoft: I'm sorry
Sony: Don't be sorry. Be better
Yea I'll stick with the primary reason for me to own a gaming console, which are f***ing games.
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