Introducing Project xCloud (public testing coming in 2019)

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eVo7

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Comcrap has caps as well...
Depends where you live. Comcrap in my area has no caps and that's partly because they have to compete with FiOS here. I switch between the two every 2 years to take advantage of promo pricing.
 

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Comcrap has caps as well...
What is weird is that they only do it in certain places; like in south NJ they don't have caps at all.

I'd be absolutely f***ed if they had caps.
 

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What is weird is that they only do it in certain places; like in south NJ they don't have caps at all.

I'd be absolutely f***ed if they had caps.
Oh they do in South NJ... Log into your account and check your usages...
 

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Why would I not want to play my One X on my big 4K HDR tv? This is not for me.
Didn’t know you had to choose. Thought there was an option to have both. Like play on the big screen at home. Play some games on the go.
 

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Didn’t know you had to choose. Thought there was an option to have both. Like play on the big screen at home. Play some games on the go.
I’m saying though why would I want to. I love playing on my big screen.
 

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Reading YouTube comments about this today. So much Microsoft hate.
 

Dno69

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So could some Cloud based games possibly be better than native games? I mean look at AC Odyssey on Switch. It’s outputting graphics better than what the hardware can do on its own.
 

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I’m saying though why would I want to. I love playing on my big screen.
I don’t know you personally so I can’t say. I thought you were asking a general question to speak for the general masses. Me personally, I prefer the 65” Oled with surround sound. When I take business trips, I can’t bring my Xbox. When I’m waiting for my kids somewhere, I don’t have my Xbox. Theoretically being able to take a few turns in Gears Tactics, play a CRPG like Divinity or Pillars or modify my rosters in a sports game sounds good to me. Not every game needs a 65” TV or super low latency.
 

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Reading YouTube comments about this today. So much Microsoft hate.
It’s at an all time high. I’m frequently posting in Resetera and it was good there for a bit. Out of control now. Like it’s 2013 at Neogaf. Think it’s something Xbox gamers have to accept. People have irrational hate for Microsoft like I do for Ohio State football. Nobody who’s graduated OSU has ever done anything bad to me so my hatred is completely unfounded and irrational. I guess it’s just human nature that we like to hate things. Now that Microsoft has made it clear they are a threat again, expect it to get worse.

Anyways...not our job to stick up for them. They need better marketing. They need better spokespeople than Greenberg.
 

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Comcrap has caps as well...
Bro I left Comcrap years ago when I got Fios. I have a matching speed of over 389 Mbps Up and Down.
I drop those fools long ago.

EDIT: I just did a speed check and they are close to 1,000 on both.
 
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Bro I left Comcrap years ago when I got Fios. I have a matching speed of over 389 Mbps Up and Down.
I drop those fools long ago.

EDIT: I just did a speed check and they are close to 1,000 on both.
Eventually I might go fios but as much as i h8 comcrap i h8 verizon as a company even more.
 

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I am as well and this is what I am hearing...
Thank NetNeutrality
NN has nothing to do with caps.

In my area, Comcast has no caps. My buddy who lives in Washington State has Comcast and does have a 1TB cap. He has to pay extra to get uncapped service. This kinda s*** was going on while NN was in place and even before it.
 
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VaLLiancE

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NN has nothing to do with caps.

In my area, Comcast has no caps. My buddy who lives in Washington State has Comcast and does have a 1TB cap. He has to pay extra to get uncapped service. This kinda s*** was going on while NN was in place and even before it.
I hope not but hear otherwise and them keeping track of usage is troubling...
I am in Camden county as well.
 

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He has a point, and I don't know what others outside of here are saying, but it's been less "it won't ever work", and more "its further away than they (the media) insinuate, and there are serious hurdles if they want to replace consoles".

This attitude is in response to the notion that consoles will be dead and replaced by streaming. I say that's more than one generation away. Is all. I don't think they'll never get there, just not in the next couple years.
 

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He has a point, and I don't know what others outside of here are saying, but it's been less "it won't ever work", and more "its further away than they (the media) insinuate, and there are serious hurdles if they want to replace consoles".

This attitude is in response to the notion that consoles will be dead and replaced by streaming. I say that's more than one generation away. Is all. I don't think they'll never get there, just not in the next couple years.
Agree. This isn’t a replacement. Isn’t an either/or proposition. These mega corporations have no incentive to stop selling consumers something they’ve always sold them if consumers still want to give them their money.

I think a lot of people are missing the bigger point. Streaming isn’t about replacing hardware. It’s about expanding the base. There are countries with good internet where Microsoft has no market penetration. There are people who are happy with PlayStation’s and Nintendo’s who have no desire to buy Microsoft hardware who’d be willing to download an app if the experience is acceptable. The entire reason Nadella has investors on board with putting all their stuff on Game Pass and buying up a bunch of studios is because they believe Microsoft is about to drastically increase their customer base, not because they are taking the same base and forcing them to transition to apps instead of hardware.

Most fears on this subject are baseless because they lack common sense logic. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are not subsidizing hardware and selling it at a loss. It benefits them to have more options to reach consumers, not less.
 

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Maybe 5G will come along and be the wizard jizz they're claiming. Things could be very different in that case.

I'm still doubting.
 
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Yeah, also of the mind that this isn't a replacement and likely won't be for a long while. Too much variance in ISP quality (speed/latency) and other factors out of the providers control. My thought is that this will eventually be good for SP games and as an added feature to GamePass (I just don't see new games from 3rd parties on a service like this but I may be proven wrong). Maybe it will be $5/mo extra for GP or $10/mo on it's own (if you just want streaming).

Maybe 5G will come along and be the wizard jizz they're claiming. Things could be very different in that case.

I'm still doubting.
Me too. Problem with 5G is that it's obstensively a phone network and phone plans skew towards capping traffic. I have an "Unlimited" plan on 4G/LTE but will still start to get bandwidth capped after 30GB....which is NOTHING in this streaming world. So, even if 5G is the be all and end all, they're going to have to change the model a bit if they want it to replace home connections (i.e. offer hotspots with no caps or extremely high caps). I'm still not sold that 5G latency is going to be any better than 4G either in the real world, in which case, I'd never use it to replace my home connection. It's all relative though...if I lived in the sticks and had s***ty internet options and 5G is the real deal and available, I'd be really happy about its impending release.
 

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I have always been a doubter on game streaming. Two things, though. Microsoft is actually doing something very different than what has come before, when it comes to how the streaming technology works. Also, when 5G gets here, EVERYTHING we know about broadband limitations is going to be out the window. It'll be interesting to look back at these reactions in a few years.
 

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Yeah, also of the mind that this isn't a replacement and likely won't be for a long while. Too much variance in ISP quality (speed/latency) and other factors out of the providers control. My thought is that this will eventually be good for SP games and as an added feature to GamePass (I just don't see new games from 3rd parties on a service like this but I may be proven wrong). Maybe it will be $5/mo extra for GP or $10/mo on it's own (if you just want streaming).



Me too. Problem with 5G is that it's obstensively a phone network and phone plans skew towards capping traffic. I have an "Unlimited" plan on 4G/LTE but will still start to get bandwidth capped after 30GB....which is NOTHING in this streaming world. So, even if 5G is the be all and end all, they're going to have to change the model a bit if they want it to replace home connections (i.e. offer hotspots with no caps or extremely high caps). I'm still not sold that 5G latency is going to be any better than 4G either in the real world, in which case, I'd never use it to replace my home connection. It's all relative though...if I lived in the sticks and had s***ty internet options and 5G is the real deal and available, I'd be really happy about its impending release.
I'm reading that there will be no caps with 5G, or at least less likely than with 4G. For me, Verizon went from opened to capped, then back to open/unlimited for options a couple years back. I believe they went back to that unlimited option in preparation for 5G, which is the way 5G should be.

I'm prepared to cancel my cable internet soon. Prices are going to get slashed though, until they can compete in whatever way.
 
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Yeah, options are always good and I welcome 5G to the competition. At minimum, it should open up gaming to folks that can't get fiber/cable. If the experience in the Wired article holds up, seems like MS is on the right track here but still think multiplayer will be problematic on non-wifi connections (latency). Also, I can only imagine tablet overlay being good for some games and I'd probably use a controller 90% of the time on phone/tablet. Frankly, sounds like the Wired experience was better than my in home streaming over wi-fi which I would regard as playable but glitchy.
 

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Yeah, options are always good and I welcome 5G to the competition. At minimum, it should open up gaming to folks that can't get fiber/cable. If the experience in the Wired article holds up, seems like MS is on the right track here but still think multiplayer will be problematic on non-wifi connections (latency). Also, I can only imagine tablet overlay being good for some games and I'd probably use a controller 90% of the time on phone/tablet. Frankly, sounds like the Wired experience was better than my in home streaming over wi-fi which I would regard as playable but glitchy.
Oddly enough I had a much better time with Googles Project Stream and Nvidia Geforce NOW as opposed to using Steam in-house streaming, both with Steam Link and with the app that came out on my TV. I had lower latency to Project Stream than I was getting in-home.

No f***ing clue how that worked out to be the case but it was certainly more stable too.