No Man's Sky (PS4, PC), v. 2

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  1. Bellybama

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    Good on them for sticking with it.

    The visuals are very striking and dramatic.

    I might give it another go soon, but I'm pretty sure the game isn't for me.
     
  2. Kerosene31

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    To be fair, there was a class action lawsuit (or at least a serious threat from one). An apology is also an admission of guilt.
     
  3. Andy

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    Ah, yeah, I was wondering if that was a factor.
     
  4. D-V-ANT

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    Issue an apology? Why? And I mean that honestly. Why is HG at fault here and not the publisher, who quite clearly oversold the game and dizzied the developer with the amount of money they could throw at them for promotion and advertising.

    No, he doesn't need to issue an apology at all. The way you make up for disappointment is to deliver on what you said you'd do. It might have taken a year but that's what they have done.
     
  5. Andy

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    Because he was the one out there making the inflated promises and raising people's expectations. Because he was the one who chose the words that were untrue. Because he was the head of the development team that failed to deliver what he said they would deliver. Because it's his game, and he was the spokesman for it.

    I'm a firm believer that if you screw up, you own up -- you hold yourself accountable. Naturally you have to follow through as well, but a sincere apology and acknowledgement of responsibility would've gone a long way to rebuilding trust and credibility. Hiding under the desk only further damages that.

    But as Kerosene said, he may have had legal advice to not admit any wrongdoing. I get that.

    p.s. Here's what he did say:
    https://nowloading.co/p/no-mans-sky-atlas-update-details/4344392
     
  6. D-V-ANT

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    So over promised and under delivered? Just like a ton of other games that have been released. Personally I believe the publisher is just as much at fault here. Do you think they'll apologise? Of course not.
    I stand by my comment. Gamers take themselves and games in general far to seriously. Sony hyped the game, the Dec over promised and gamers bought into it. It happens all the time. Yes it's bad practice but it's nothing new.
     
  7. Andy

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    It was much worse than the average game's "over-promise, under-deliver," so no, I don't see that as equivalent.

    Sony probably bears some responsibility, too. They obviously failed to prepare him to talk with the media effectively. Is that the publisher's responsibility? I don't know. I imagine they thought that his non-scripted authenticity and passion would carry the day (it did win a lot of people over). They put out some promo videos which were big exaggerations (think of the one lampooned with the harmonica). Maybe it needs to be a joint apology. They clearly underestimated his ability to put his foot in his mouth. He had no idea how to deal with the press or manage expectations.

    I'm not saying it wasn't a difficult, unprecedented situation for him. No doubt it was overwhelming, to be the focus of that much attention.

    I can't feel too sorry for him, though. He benefited greatly from it. I expect he's a millionaire, based on one indie game. The sales were fueled by his hype and his inaccurate statements. It was his game, and he was the main spokesman. There's just no getting around that.

    He should do the right thing and hold himself accountable. I guess he's not going to do that. Hopefully it's because of legal reasons and not because he's a chicken or a weasel.
     
  8. D-V-ANT

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    Oh I reckon he holds himself accountable alright. The game has been improving since its disastrous launch. I don't feel sorry for him either. Clearly he made a serious mistake in over stating expectations for the game. I'm not disagreeing with any of that. It's this idea that he needs to issue an apology. Aside from the fact that legally it would probably be seen as an admission of guilt, I really don't think it was as bad as the witch hunt made it out to be. I mean there was people stalking his office for gods sake. Over hyped, yes. Under delivered, absolutely. Over reaction from pgamers? Without a doubt.

    What's kind of funny is that the story of the game is probably more interesting than the actual game.
     
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    Installed the patch. Looks pretty on the PS Pro. But damn it runs the fan on high!
     
  10. Kerosene31

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    The game looks great, and the environments feel much more alive and diverse.

    I must admit the game still has one flaw and that's that it just feels like a random number generator still. That feeling of exploration just feels hollow after awhile. I already found a high end multi tool and ship, which is good but also making the game kind of repetitive already. The graphics on PS Pro do help somewhat.
     
  11. yankeessuck

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    That would still be HG as they published it on PC but Its mostly the comments of Sean Murray that led to people feeling like they are misled. Overhyped and disappointing games are common so you have to try and figure out what made this game different from the others and that was Sean Murray. Looking back lots of things he said come off as lies even though I'm sure that wasn't his intention.
     
  12. Andy

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    May be a little misunderstanding there. When I say "hold yourself accountable," I don't mean just in the privacy of your head. I mean openly acknowledge it to the people you're accountable to.

    Well, you don't think it was bad enough to apologize for. I do. I guess we'll leave it at that.

    lol, true.
     
  13. D-V-ANT

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    Yeah, I'm not really arguing the point with you, more debating it. I find the whole fallout from it kind of fascinating.
     
  14. D-V-ANT

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    Yeah I suppose the real crux of it all is in that very word - intent. We'll never really know if he just got over excited about a project he was passionate about and not really understanding the consequences of having a global stage to talk the game up, or if he deliberately misled people, which is what lots of gamers seem to think. Personally, I think it's the first situation. If it was the second, then yes, not only should be apologize but he and Sony should have refunded money. As it was pointed out earlier that very well could be the reason he's not apologising as he doesn't want it interrupted as an admission of guilt.
     
  15. BUSTERMAN

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    I just downloaded the game again. I want to give it another shot but the first time around didn't go too well. Still, the idea of space exploration is enough for me to try again. I'm not sure why you'd need base building when the idea is to move from planet to planet and never look back but I like that they added vehicles for planetary exploration.

    When I first heard about procedurally generated content I was excited. I though it would offer near limitless possibilities for content creation. But now that I've had a experiences with it I'm of the opinion that I prefer my levels to be touched by a human with a eye for intricate detail. I don't think we're there yet where an algorithm can take the place of content creators or maybe I haven't yet played the game to prove me wrong.
     
  16. yankeessuck

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    The fact that Sony gave refunds (something they never do) is the proof that something out of the ordinary happened here.
     
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    Yeah but it wasn't a product recall and they never accepted that the game wasn't as displayed, as I guess that's close to accepting liability. In fact an advertising standards ruling went in their favour if you remember. So a few gamers getting refunds is nothing exceptional in my opinion. Most high profile games have people who complain and demand refunds.
     
  18. D-V-ANT

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    Oh, and for the record, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion or claim a different opinion is wrong. This is a ship that has long sailed. It's just an interesting discussion to have I think.
     
  19. yankeessuck

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    Demand maybe but Sony never gives them. My point wasn't about them accepting liability its about it being clear that this wasn't just a normal case of over promise and under deliver
     
  20. D-V-ANT

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    Actually the laws in the US and Europe are different in that regard. In Europe the retailer is required by law to refund even a digital purchase, without quibble, as long as certain conditions are met. You cannot be punished for enacting your consumer rights either, like their threat to suspend your account.
    Sony have given plenty of refunds before this. It's just not widely publicised. In fact I got one from them a few months back when I bought The Dwarves from PSN during a sale and the game had awful crashing issues.
     
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    this is a gem of a game that i've never had a problem with in what it delivers.
    yes, i'd like it to deliver more (as it has over the months since release), but i was happy with it on release and i'm constantly amazed at what a small group of devs could achieve following on from Joe Danger.

    something that is not in the game that i know of so far is the ability to rescue downed pilots and if that was added, this would be my 10/10 space game.
     
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    The biggest thing I missed that was meant to be in the game was the ability to land on the dark side of the planet away from the sun. That just really appealed to me for some reason. Too bad it never it in.
     
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    Yep originally they were aiming for some actual solar system physics which would have been mind blowing.
     
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    I installed the patch. Took me 30 min to figure out what was going on with my game save. How do you start missions? I talked to all the guys at 2 space stations.
     
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    I restarted from a new save, but you have to find the guy sitting in the space station (to the left as you land where the atlas stuff is).

    I ended up restarting since so much changed and I wasn't that far. I actually found a better ship and multi tool right away off a new save.
     
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    The grass! It looks so good!
     
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