PlayStation 5 spec leak..?

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I remember comments from both companies with the mid-gen refreshes regarding waiting a year so they can price within the acceptable price-range. Also likely why the X outstrips the Pro. A year seems pretty significant. Beyond that, all these insiders are acting like they know anything beyond speculation... and as I said before- they never get it right until far closer to release.
Are you familiar with Jason Evangellho? This isn't some random Redditor pushing bogus rumors. The guy appears to have real credibility.
 

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I remember comments from both companies with the mid-gen refreshes regarding waiting a year so they can price within the acceptable price-range. Also likely why the X outstrips the Pro. A year seems pretty significant. Beyond that, all these insiders are acting like they know anything beyond speculation... and as I said before- they never get it right until far closer to release.
The difference between Pro and X1X has nothing to do with waiting for a year...except that MS knew how much further they needed to push to make a console more impressive than the competition. In terms of power, a year makes little difference. Xbox was more expensive too.
 

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The difference between Pro and X1X has nothing to do with waiting for a year...except that MS knew how much further they needed to push to make a console more impressive than the competition. In terms of power, a year makes little difference. Xbox was more expensive too.
Maybe both time and price played a factor?
 

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Maybe both time and price played a factor?
The only real factor in the difference is the need of both companies. Microsoft needed to go all out, Sony didn't. Sony's is actually more in line with what a mid-gen refresh is. Microsoft tried relaunching the Xbox One with the X.
 

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Maybe both time and price played a factor?
Yields from the chip fab would have played a big part in lowering the cost too, and with Navi being a new chip, that'll be a reason for a console to be delayed an extra year.
Edit: also, the fact it wasn't shown at E3, and that developers are saying they don't have specs to work with yet? They surely wouldn't launch a 'new gen' without gearing the developers up a bit?

Or maybe they would. I don't know. If it's only 4K versions of the same games, they could turn it around in 12 months.
 
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How much difference would that be though? they aren't changing over to anything else within a year, usually price comes down because of manufacturing improvements and things being able to be made smaller, that won't happen in a year, at least not enough to give up an advantage over the competition.
It be a worth mentioning price difference.
The longer Navi based chips are on the market the cheaper they will be to make.
 

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I remember comments from both companies with the mid-gen refreshes regarding waiting a year so they can price within the acceptable price-range. Also likely why the X outstrips the Pro. A year seems pretty significant. Beyond that, all these insiders are acting like they know anything beyond speculation... and as I said before- they never get it right until far closer to release.
If the X1X released a year earlier, no doubt we would be looking at $599 instead of the $499 we have now. Not to mention, insufficient beta testing with less development time.
 

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It be a worth mentioning price difference.
The longer Navi based chips are on the market the cheaper they will be to make.
They'll be on the market less than a year, there won't be any shrinks or anything going on in that timeframe. The price isn't likely to change much in that amount of time.
 

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They'll be on the market less than a year, there won't be any shrinks or anything going on in that timeframe. The price isn't likely to change much in that amount of time.
Yeah, but that isn't the super expensive bit for Sony. I may be wrong, but I think it kind of goes like this.

Sony buys 100 SoC's from AMD, at an agreed price after the initial investment.
AMD produces a 'bin' of 100 SoC's from a production run, and Sends that order to Sony.
Sony uses as many chips as can be gained from the batch of 100.

Normally, the 'bad' chips would be used in an inferior product, but consoles can't really do that, so I think they overshoot, and shut down some of the cores/shaders, even if some of them could run better, and they just have to eat the cost.

Obviously there would be an agreed upon acceptable level of failure and stuff too.

Out of an initial run, they may be eating up 2-3x as many chips as they are a year later.

Again, it would depend on their deal, and I'm just basing it off what normal GPU's do.
 
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Yeah, but that isn't the super expensive bit for Sony. I may be wrong, but I think it kind of goes like this.

Sony buys 100 SoC's from AMD, at an agreed price after the initial investment.
AMD produces a 'bin' of 100 SoC's from a production run, and Sends that order to Sony.
Sony uses as many chips as can be gained from the batch of 100.

Normally, the 'bad' chips would be used in an inferior product, but consoles can't really do that, so I think they overshoot, and shut down some of the cores/shaders, even if some of them could run better, and they just have to eat the cost.

Obviously there would be an agreed upon acceptable level of failure and stuff too.

Out of an initial run, they may be eating up 2-3x as many chips as they are a year later.

Again, it would depend on their deal, and I'm just basing it off what normal GPU's do.
That's true but at the same time it may be worth the cost up front to get a year head start on the competition.
 

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They'll be on the market less than a year, there won't be any shrinks or anything going on in that timeframe. The price isn't likely to change much in that amount of time.
Yes a year later the costs are likely to change.
 

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That's true but at the same time it may be worth the cost up front to get a year head start on the competition.
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Yes a year later the costs are likely to change.
Not significantly enough to make it worth starting out head to head again, I'm not saying it won't be a little cheaper but it won't be significantly less. Of course Sony doesn't seem to have much to fear in that regard, they launched at the same time this gen and Sony wiped the floor with Xbox One. That being said I don't think MS is going to make the same mistakes they did, they won't be launching with a 40% weaker console that's $100 more because of some stupid peripheral that's popularity flatlined 6 months after it had been on the market during the previous gen and I don't think they are going to misread the gaming audience again. Sony also has a broader global appeal than MS but I do think Sony should still be aggressive when it comes to next gen and start out first. If the power differences are going to be negligible and the costs not that much different I think going first makes the most sense. We'll see how it goes, I'm ready for a new gen anytime they are.
 
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PS5 is going to be nuts. That's an awesome leak.
No doubt. Sony basically has the market on lock right now. No matter what they do they're set up for success with the PS5. If they launch first and it's weaker than the Xbox Two you know they're still going to have the best looking first party games like always. Then they can drop the PS5 Pro and go all out this time. It won't be an incremental upgrade like the PS4 Pro was. Poke the bear and you'll get the claws eventually.
 

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It's either 2019 or 2020. They just want Microsoft to panic and rush their next console, then Sony can match or exceed the specs of the next Xbox all while continuing to bask in the success of the PS4. If there was ever a time to accuse Sony of using smoke and mirrors, this would be it. No chance in hell PS5 launches this year.
I think Microsoft will sit back and match or exceed on the hardware front.
 

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I think Microsoft will sit back and match or exceed on the hardware front.
Don't think they can really afford to. If they're not first out of the gate at a good price then they're in trouble next gen. No amount of pandering to Nintendo and consumers trying to be the pro-consumer good guys will matter. The games will speak, and if the games and specs are there year one with the PS5 then it's a wrap.
 

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I think Microsoft will sit back and match or exceed on the hardware front.
Why do you believe this?

Microsoft has had less powerful hardware in two of the three generations they've been involved in.
 

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Why do you believe this?

Microsoft has had less powerful hardware in two of the three generations they've been involved in.
Lets be adults about last gens console power and call it a draw. Theoretical power and learning curve with a weaker gpu...
 

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Lets be adults about last gens console power and call it a draw. Theoretical power and learning curve with a weaker gpu...
It was close but I think you have to give the edge to the PS4. It's just strange hearing people expect Microsoft to have the power edge next time when historically, they haven't.
 

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Why do you believe this?

Microsoft has had less powerful hardware in two of the three generations they've been involved in.
I think Microsoft can ride out the X for longer. I could be wrong.
 

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Power advantages are going to become less important next gen as long as MS and Sony both push for the best that can be put in a console at the time they launch, say the PS5 launches in 2019 and is 10TF and the Xbox 4 launches in 2020 and is 11-12TF, it's going to take so much power to make something look noticeably better that 2TF just isn't going to do much.
 

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It was close but I think you have to give the edge to the PS4.
Ps3 you mean?

yeah I guess, I'll throw the 95% of multiplatform titles running better last gen on 360 if you can do the same this gen on the PS4...:hehe:

like adults right?
 

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Ps3 you mean?

yeah I guess, I'll throw the 95% of multiplatform titles running better last gen on 360 if you can do the same this gen on the PS4...:hehe:

like adults right?
But, like this gen, the best looking games were on PS3 as well. God of War, The Last of Us, Uncharted, Beyond Two Souls, Killzone etc were all the best looking games last generation.

Microsoft just doesn't have any advantage in this area so expecting it to happen is just wishful thinking.

Not that any of this actually matters anymore...
 

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But, like this gen, the best looking games were on PS3 as well. God of War, The Last of Us, Uncharted, Beyond Two Souls, Killzone etc were all the best looking games last generation.
Well, just because that is how you feel doesn't mean everyone feels the same.
 

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But, like this gen, the best looking games were on PS3 as well. God of War, The Last of Us, Uncharted, Beyond Two Souls, Killzone etc were all the best looking games last generation.

Microsoft just doesn't have any advantage in this area so expecting it to happen is just wishful thinking.

Not that any of this actually matters anymore...
Easily the best looking games last gen and thus far this gen have been on PlayStation.

360 had for the most part the best versions of 3rd party games BUT in many cases those small differences weren't as great as the sound advantages in the PS3 versions.(that was conveniently left out of the comparisons)

Just like the big differences with X and the Pro in many cases in 3rd party games.
Plus X(like PS3 last gen) sounds a heck of a lot better than PS4.
 

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Well, just because that is how you feel doesn't mean everyone feels the same.
5 titles vs 1000s we'll call it even...
 

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Will Sony and or MS launch consoles at a loss or so the same this gen?
 

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Will Sony and or MS launch consoles at a loss or so the same this gen?
I think those days are over, break even or MAYBE a slight loss at best (at a slight profit is more likely) but they are no longer going to be taking a $100 hit or more like they used to.
 

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Just like the big differences with X and the Pro in many cases in 3rd party games.
Plus X(like PS3 last gen) sounds a heck of a lot better than PS4.
Moving forward I don't think there will be a noticeable power advantage. Not enough to have a fan of 1 system jump ship from their friend's list. Any power difference can be spun away anyway. Say if the Scarlett/nextbox is a tad more powerful than ps5 it can be negated by marketing pushing games and a lower price point. If MS decides nextX at a higher price with less performance again with a kinect nobody needs and wants, we know what will happen.
 
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