PS5 not until 2021 (or maybe not)

8TF's in 2021 is TERRIBLE

10-12TF's
16-20 Gb's Ram
8 Core 16 threads-12 Core 24 threads CPU

2020 $449...

That's why I said that should be what we get this year as a real PS4K to hold us over, I would never expect the PS5 to be 8TF if it was coming in 2021. Even in 2019 I would expect 10TF.
 
That's why I said that should be what we get this year as a real PS4K to hold us over, I would never expect the PS5 to be 8TF if it was coming in 2021. Even in 2019 I would expect 10TF.
Don't see that happening nor does it need 2.
Pro still has the best looking games and the sales of PlayStation aren't slowing.

Maybe a slim pro or a pro with a UHDBR drive.
 
Don't see that happening nor does it need 2.
Pro still has the best looking games and the sales of PlayStation aren't slowing.

Maybe a slim pro or a pro with a UHDBR drive.

Sony is prediction that PS4 sales will slow this year and the Pro is doing ok but it's not exactly taking over either, it's still doing better than the One X (at least on amazon) but at that price point it's not a surprise.

The refresh consoles were never meant to take over the base machines when it comes to sales anyway they were just meant to appeal to people who wanted a higher end experience but didn't want to go to PC.

That's why I wish they'd just do a refresh now, something that could truly run current gen games at 4K with graphical enhancements and hopefully a better CPU for better performance and hold off next gen until the power is really there to make a leap that stands out at a console friendly price point. I know it won't happen but I think one more refresh would be fine, I'd buy it :)
 
I think another iterative console would just piss off the people who bought the Pro. Those are their core supporters. You don't want to annoy your core supporters. It would also make PS5 feel like less of a leap forward, giving people less reason to buy one.
 
Gaming "journalism" is basically TMZ for nerds at this point.

As far as the release date, I'd be fine with a 2021 PS5 if that meant we got a PS4K this year :) Around an 8TF GPU, 16GB of memory and some kind of improved CPU. I know it won't happen but I figured I'd throw that out there again anyway lol.


Someone should make a site, nay a thread and rate game journalist, bloggers and streamers....basically any and all influencers. A meta critic of critics
 
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I think another iterative console would just piss off the people who bought the Pro. Those are their core supporters. You don't want to annoy your core supporters. It would also make PS5 feel like less of a leap forward, giving people less reason to buy one.

It could but again nobody is forcing anyone to buy an iterative console, many said the Pro was going to piss off people who bought the standard PS4 but it didn't, it's just giving people more options is all, it's not like any console is going to get dumped.

I know a PS4K isn't going to happen but I also don't see a problem with it if it does. I get your point about it making the PS5 seem like less of a jump but that all depends on what the machines are meant to do. If the PS4K is just something that runs current gen games at 4K with improved graphical features it won't take too much off of a new gen system. Hopefully new gen consoles can do more than just raise resolution and effects levels, hopefully they give us higher end models etc.
 
It could but again nobody is forcing anyone to buy an iterative console, many said the Pro was going to piss off people who bought the standard PS4 but it didn't, it's just giving people more options is all, it's not like any console is going to get dumped.

Did people really think the Pro was going to piss people who owned the standard PS4 off? Why?

I'm not saying it's an issue of the Pro being "dumped" or disregarded by developers. I'm saying it's an issue of having to pay $400, then $400 again two years later. Also an issue of being misled, because Sony positioned the Pro as the mid-gen upgrade; they didn't say anything about another upgrade two years later. The target market for these upgraded consoles are people who love the console enough to want the best version of it. So you're going to ask those people (your most loyal customers) to shell out $400, then two years later, ask them to shell out $400 again, for an even more modest upgrade? Is this PC gaming? That would bug me. I'm pretty confident Sony would get backlash for it.

I know a PS4K isn't going to happen but I also don't see a problem with it if it does. I get your point about it making the PS5 seem like less of a jump but that all depends on what the machines are meant to do. If the PS4K is just something that runs current gen games at 4K with improved graphical features it won't take too much off of a new gen system. Hopefully new gen consoles can do more than just raise resolution and effects levels, hopefully they give us higher end models etc.

Well, like you say, it's just a hypothetical. But another upgrade would reduce the size of the power difference between the Pro and the PS5. And you know those types of figures always get thrown around in discussions of new console generations/iterations. "The X is 6 times more powerful than the S." "The Pro is 4 times powerful than the Slim." I just made those numbers up, but you get my point. People are motivated to buy based (in part) on how big the jump is. If you reduce the size of the jump, you reduce the motivation to buy.
 
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It could but again nobody is forcing anyone to buy an iterative console, many said the Pro was going to piss off people who bought the standard PS4 but it didn't, it's just giving people more options is all, it's not like any console is going to get dumped.

I know a PS4K isn't going to happen but I also don't see a problem with it if it does. I get your point about it making the PS5 seem like less of a jump but that all depends on what the machines are meant to do. If the PS4K is just something that runs current gen games at 4K with improved graphical features it won't take too much off of a new gen system. Hopefully new gen consoles can do more than just raise resolution and effects levels, hopefully they give us higher end models etc.
Sounds like you are looking for a Xbox X but you already have that... Maybe just play that?

It would be a terrible decision for the PlayStation brand this gen to do what you are wanting.
 
Did people really think the Pro was going to piss people who owned the standard PS4 off? Why?

I'm not saying it's an issue of the Pro being "dumped" or disregarded by developers. I'm saying it's an issue of having to pay $400, then $400 again two years later. Also an issue of being misled, because Sony positioned the Pro as the mid-gen upgrade; they didn't say anything about another upgrade two years later. The target market for these upgraded consoles are people who love the console enough to want the best version of it. So you're going to ask those people (your most loyal customers) to shell out $400, then two years later, ask them to shell out $400 again, for an even more modest upgrade? Is this PC gaming? That would bug me. I'm pretty confident Sony would get backlash for it.



Well, like you say, it's just a hypothetical. But another upgrade would reduce the size of the power difference between the Pro and the PS5. And you know those types of figures always get thrown around in discussions of new console generations/iterations. "The X is 6 times more powerful than the S." "The Pro is 4 times powerful than the Slim." I just made those numbers up, but you get my point. People are motivated to buy based (in part) on how big the jump is. If you reduce the size of the jump, you reduce the motivation to buy.
Its not hard to see he wants a PlayStation stronger than X.... But offering such a device would leave a bad taste in ps fans mouths and anything above the X would be a next gen machine as X is roughly 5 X the xbo.
 
Sounds like you are looking for a Xbox X but you already have that... Maybe just play that?

It would be a terrible decision for the PlayStation brand this gen to do what you are wanting.

Terrible to get a 4K machine that can do more than just upgrade the res but also help performance and graphical settings a bit for current gen games without making us choose between res or performance? I don't think it'd be terrible, I also can't get Sony exclusives on the One X.

I know it's not going to happen but I also think once the PS5 does get announced and it's around 10TF a ton of people are going to start crying "let down" because they think it should be some 20TF monster because some roadmap they read somewhere says that's what AMD may have ready for desktop computers by then.

Again offering people more choices isn't a bad thing, nothing is forced and no machine will be dropped in favor of the other. Again I know it's not going to happen I just don't think it'd be a bad thing if it did.
 
Did people really think the Pro was going to piss people who owned the standard PS4 off? Why?

I'm not saying it's an issue of the Pro being "dumped" or disregarded by developers. I'm saying it's an issue of having to pay $400, then $400 again two years later. Also an issue of being misled, because Sony positioned the Pro as the mid-gen upgrade; they didn't say anything about another upgrade two years later. The target market for these upgraded consoles are people who love the console enough to want the best version of it. So you're going to ask those people (your most loyal customers) to shell out $400, then two years later, ask them to shell out $400 again, for an even more modest upgrade? Is this PC gaming? That would bug me. I'm pretty confident Sony would get backlash for it.



Well, like you say, it's just a hypothetical. But another upgrade would reduce the size of the power difference between the Pro and the PS5. And you know those types of figures always get thrown around in discussions of new console generations/iterations. "The X is 6 times more powerful than the S." "The Pro is 4 times powerful than the Slim." I just made those numbers up, but you get my point. People are motivated to buy based (in part) on how big the jump is. If you reduce the size of the jump, you reduce the motivation to buy.

Oh yeah there were a ton of comments like "Why release it now, it's only been 3 years? I just bought a PS4" yadda yadda yadda lol. There were plenty of posts like that on other forums, hell some clowns even thought Sony would drop the standard box in favor of the pro someplace down the line as if that makes any sense at all, the weak CPU's in the upgraded machines all but guarantee that neither company is going to drop their base console in favor of the upgraded machine. I just don't get the idea that giving people more options is somehow offensive, nobody is having to shell out another $400 it's just an option if they want it.

The reason I don't think it'd be a bad idea to delay a real PS5 is even at 8TF with extra memory and an enhanced CPU it's still only going to run current gen games at 4K with additional effects and performance. I don't know that a 10TF machine is really going to look like a generational leap, I HOPE it does but if you look at what the X does for games they do look nice but they jumped 4X what the base console was and added extra memory with a modest CPU upgrade and it doesn't appear to be anywhere near a generational leap regardless of what some fanboys say.

The games look better but for something that looks like a true next gen it's going to require a lot of power which means a longer wait to get that kind of power to fit in a console and also be cost effective. The average native resolution on the X for 3rd party games seems to be 1800p which is nice and some games are surprisingly native 4K like FC5 but if you want 4K to be standard on just about all games and get graphical, performance enhancements it seems that Cerny's 8TF number is probably accurate.

Again I'm not saying I think that this will happen, I'm sure it won't but there is a case to be made for holding off on a true next gen if something can be done in the meantime to dress up what we have now. I think a bigger mistake would be to wait until 2021 for a PS5 and not release anything else in the meantime.
 
More exciting than PS5 is the continued investment into first party games:

PlayStation: Sony Promises Exclusive First-Party Games, New IP, and Strengthening Existing Ones

During Sony's Corporate Strategy Meeting and Investor Day events, the company's executives talked about the PlayStation strategy for the next three years.


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Today Sony hosted its Corporate Strategy Meeting and IR Day events in Tokyo, Japan, and the company’s executives had quite a few interesting elements to share about the upcoming plans for the PlayStation business.

First of all, President and CEO Kenichiro Yoshida explained Sony’s mid-term corporate strategy over the next three year, which means until March 31st, 2021. For the Game & Network Services business segment, which includes PlayStation and PlayStation Network, we hear that the plan is to be connected with both users and developers with PlayStation 4 as the core of the business.

The basic strategy going forward is to further expand PlayStation Network, which has become one the world’s leading network services with more than one trillion yen in annual sales and over eighty million monthly active users.

Sony is aiming to grow the subscriber base of PlayStation Plus (we recently learned that the service passed 34.2 million paying subscribers), and increase user engagement for the PlayStation Network measured by login frequency and time spent on the platform (in fiscal year 2017 PS4 users clocked more than 800,000,000 hours of gameplay per week). This is also achieved by encouraging more people to use PlayStation VR, PlayStation Now, PlayStation Vue, and PlayStation Music.

Last, but not least, the house of PlayStation aims to strengthen its IP portfolio by creating new IP and utilizing existing ones for its first-party games, on top of harnessing growth opportunities in areas which include additional content for games.

This was also echoed later during the IR Day Presentation by Sony Interactive Entertainment President & CEO John Kodera, who mentioned that strengthening first party-games isn’t just a matter of creating new IP, but also pushing existing successful ones. That being said, more exclusive games are coming, with the company aiming to enrich and utilize its exclusive titles portfolio. The three years included in the strategy plan mentioned above are the time to flex in preparation for a further leap towards future growth.

Since the PS4 is now entering the final phase of its life cycle, which could cause unit sales to gradually decline, recurring revenues from subscription services like PlayStation Plus can mitigate that effect of the platform’s life cycle, stabilizing the profit structure.

Challenging areas of the business include PlayStation VR, which is itself growing, but the overall growth of the whole virtual reality market remains below the expectations of the industry. The mobile label ForwardWorks is also in a similar situation due to delays in the release of games, and the fact that the business is still in its infancy, which means that investment is required before it takes off. Going forward, Sony will aim for stable growth with a realistic outlook for these businesses, alongside PlayStation Vue.

Interestingly, Kodera’s presentation ended mentioning that in the era of the original PlayStation, the company aimed to sell millions of units, now they aim to engage millions of monthly active users.

If you’re interested in reading more about PlayStation’s financial performance, you can check out our article dedicated to the results of the past fiscal year. You can also see the relevant slides of Kodera-san’s presentation below, including interesting data and graphs.

https://www.dualshockers.com/ps4-exclusive-games-ip/
 
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The reason I don't think it'd be a bad idea to delay a real PS5 is even at 8TF with extra memory and an enhanced CPU it's still only going to run current gen games at 4K with additional effects and performance. I don't know that a 10TF machine is really going to look like a generational leap, I HOPE it does but if you look at what the X does for games they do look nice but they jumped 4X what the base console was and added extra memory with a modest CPU upgrade and it doesn't appear to be anywhere near a generational leap regardless of what some fanboys say.

I don't think looking for a "generational leap" is realistic, at least if by "generational leap" we mean the sorts of leaps we've had in previous generations (480/720 to 1080p, for instance). The tech is reaching a point of diminishing returns, and the mid-gen upgrades are cutting the distance of the leap in half.

Comparing to the Pro and X, there won't be a "generational leap" to PS5 or the next Xbox. It'll be more like a generational bunny hop.
 
Sony is prediction that PS4 sales will slow this year and the Pro is doing ok but it's not exactly taking over either, it's still doing better than the One X (at least on amazon) but at that price point it's not a surprise.

The refresh consoles were never meant to take over the base machines when it comes to sales anyway they were just meant to appeal to people who wanted a higher end experience but didn't want to go to PC.

That's why I wish they'd just do a refresh now, something that could truly run current gen games at 4K with graphical enhancements and hopefully a better CPU for better performance and hold off next gen until the power is really there to make a leap that stands out at a console friendly price point. I know it won't happen but I think one more refresh would be fine, I'd buy it :)
For all of 2018 so far the Xbox One X is outselling the PS Pro on Amazon actually.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2018/videogames
 
New hardware every 2 years is about the only thing that could get me to consider going PC. Even then, no chance of that happening lol. But i'm fine with mid gen hardware refreshes 3-4 years in if we're going to start getting full BC machines and a 7-8 year generation. Agree with Andy and others that you have to make a new generation seem like a leap to sell people.