Sony at E3 2017

Andy said:
Excellent! He really sounds happy with it. "This is the most emotion Rob has ever shown," lol. (I kept getting distracted by her cleavage). It really sounds great. He sounded really impressed with how the combat felt, including the archery, and how immersive it felt to be in the dungeons. They also confirmed that it's the full game in VR, which to me is pretty amazing.

I was reading a thread at GAF yesterday about a guy who couldn't tell the difference between 1080p and 4K. I don't want to get into all that, but amongst all that discussion, there were a couple of people who said VR was a much bigger game changer at this point than 4K (and considerably cheaper). I don't know that I'm ready to buy into VR quite yet, but it sure got me wondering. As they say, if you love Skyrim and have been on the fence about VR, if this game doesn't sell you... I do love Skyrim, although I've played it twice already, a couple hundred hours each, so I'm not up for another run quite yet.

But playing it in VR sounds like an incredible experience. It's exactly the sort of thing I imagined, when I thought of VR. I probably even said to myself, "How cool would it be to play Skyrim in VR."
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Yeah, even though there are obvious differences between ps4 and pro on a 4k screen, but VR seems to benefit even more so to me.

The good thing about Skyrim for me is trying different roles/races, for example, I've never been a true archer, or mage so this could be a wildly different experience combined with VR.

I also never played any of the DLC so I'll doing that for the first time in VR.
 
de3d1 said:
Yeah, even though there are obvious differences between ps4 and pro on a 4k screen, but VR seems to benefit even more so to me.

The good thing about Skyrim for me is trying different roles/races, for example, I've never been a true archer, or mage so this could be a wildly different experience combined with VR.

I also never played any of the DLC so I'll doing that for the first time in VR.
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It seems to be an odd discussion to have considering people claimed 900p vs 1080p was night and day.
 
de3d1 said:
When has that ever happened exactly?
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I meant rules and boundaries set by MS and Sony. I made that pretty clear in my original post. You'll never see mid gen consoles run at 100% while next gen consoles aren't held back.

JinCA said:
We'll see, I don't think it hurts to give people options. that whole having to work with the old consoles ends up saving some money though as there is no point in putting in a new gen CPU if you can't really push it.

I don't know about this gen being that short, I think part of the reason they are going to these mid gen refresh consoles is simply because the tech that will truly look next gen vs what we have now isn't even here yet in the PC space and when it does come it's going to be too expensive to put into a console for a while.
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Lol That's my point You won't see mid gen consoles run at 100%. It's a waist of money and power.

Not really. The base hardware launched pretty weak that's why mid gen consoles exist to begin with not because we'll have a super long gen.
 
Zero-O said:
I meant rules and boundaries set by MS and Sony. I made that pretty clear in my original post. You'll never see mid gen consoles run at 100% while next gen consoles aren't held back.



Lol That's my point You won't see mid gen consoles run at 100%. It's a waist of money and power.

Not really. The base hardware launched pretty weak that's why mid gen consoles exist to begin with not because we'll have a super long gen.
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The launch hardware was the best they could release at the time without losing money, it still amazes me that these machines can do as well as they do with what they have to work with. That being said these console refreshes show us that even when you add GPU's that have been upgraded pretty significantly you still see games that look like current gen with higher resolutions and a few upgraded things but nothing that looks even close to a generational difference. That's not a knock on the hardware it's just the reality that to get something that truly looks "next gen" and release it at a console price point it'll be a long time, well unless they decide to call it "next gen" when it's really just a true 4K PS4. Watch the video from Eurogamer if you haven't already, Richard makes sense when he says this gen may be even longer than the last one.

 
JinCA said:
The launch hardware was the best they could release at the time without losing money, it still amazes me that these machines can do as well as they do with what they have to work with. That being said these console refreshes show us that even when you add GPU's that have been upgraded pretty significantly you still see games that look like current gen with higher resolutions and a few upgraded things but nothing that looks even close to a generational difference. That's not a knock on the hardware it's just the reality that to get something that truly looks "next gen" and release it at a console price point it'll be a long time, well unless they decide to call it "next gen" when it's really just a true 4K PS4. Watch the video from Eurogamer if you haven't already, Richard makes sense when he says this gen may be even longer than the last one.

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It's going to take exponentially more power to feel that "next gen" jump, tbh. Especially now that they are so close to the 4k spec. I really hope they stay there instead of chasing 8k. I need more than res now, please.
 
Frozpot said:
It's going to take exponentially more power to feel that "next gen" jump, tbh. Especially now that they are so close to the 4k spec. I really hope they stay there instead of chasing 8k. I need more than res now, please.
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Yeah, that's why either this gen is going to have to last a lot longer (and probably have at least one more refresh console from each company) OR we'll get a "PS5" which isn't really a generational leap. If we need at least 8TF just to get to where games can all be native 4K where do we have to be for not only native 4K but other visual improvements that will really give us the feeling that we are looking at something significantly better than what we have now? I'm not talking about just higher end textures but being able to drastically improve weather, lighting, shadows, animations, advanced AI, physics, better LOD, draw distances etc.

We are at a point now where games look just good enough that it's going to take a giant leap to make them look significantly better IMO, if we want hardware that can do that we have to not only wait for it to come along but to also come down in price enough to make it realistic to include in a console in the first place.
 
JinCA said:
Yeah, that's why either this gen is going to have to last a lot longer (and probably have at least one more refresh console from each company) OR we'll get a "PS5" which isn't really a generational leap. If we need at least 8TF just to get to where games can all be native 4K where do we have to be for not only native 4K but other visual improvements that will really give us the feeling that we are looking at something significantly better than what we have now? I'm not talking about just higher end textures but being able to drastically improve weather, lighting, shadows, animations, advanced AI, physics, better LOD, draw distances etc.

We are at a point now where games look just good enough that it's going to take a giant leap to make them look significantly better IMO, if we want hardware that can do that we have to not only wait for it to come along but to also come down in price enough to make it realistic to include in a console in the first place.
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I think this very thing is why MS is talking about ditching "Generations". Though technically, any new hardware constitutes a new "Generation", imo. Gen 6 iPhones are hardly different that Gen7 iPhones, eh? Even on something like controllers- look at how little evolution happened between this and last Gen. Small refinements.
 
Star Wars battlefront 1 on PC maxed out was the closest to a next level experience gen I've seen in person. After seeing on YouTube initially I thought, "meh, doesn't look that much better," but in reality it was, It was literally the most massive jump I've seen after playing the og ps4 version. If next gen can pull that off or better that would be nice.

I'm also curious to see how BF2 looks on pro/x1x, probably will reach a middle ground between og ps4 and maxed out PC.
 
Sony's is staying with generations and this should result in much larger jumps over previous/current hardware.
Pro is a 4K TV mid gen upgrade band-aid to help extend the top selling PS4 while they they ready the PS5 and satisfy those with 4K/HDR displays.
 
de3d1 said:
Star Wars battlefront 1 on PC maxed out was the closest to a next level experience gen I've seen in person. After seeing on YouTube initially I thought, "meh, doesn't look that much better," but in reality it was, It was literally the most massive jump I've seen after playing the og ps4 version. If next gen can pull that off or better that would be nice.

I'm also curious to see how BF2 looks on pro/x1x, probably will reach a middle ground between og ps4 and maxed out PC.
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VaLLiancE said:
Sony's is staying with generations and this should result in much larger jumps over previous/current hardware.
Pro is a 4K TV mid gen upgrade band-aid to help extend the top selling PS4 while they they ready the PS5 and satisfy those with 4K/HDR displays.
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What MS means is there won't be generations to separate the hardware, meaning BC. Whatever the next true Xbox is, it will have a fully upgraded CPU, RAM, GPU, it won't be a Xbox One X 2, it'll be a full-on new Xbox with BC making Xbox one games better.
 
de3d1 said:
What MS means is there won't be generations to separate the hardware, meaning BC. Whatever the next true Xbox is, it will have a fully upgraded CPU, RAM, GPU, it won't be a Xbox One X 2, it'll be a full-on new Xbox with BC making Xbox one games better.
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I am not talking about MS approach as to me its a trojan horse jump into the next gen.
If these consoles stay with x86 based hardware...BC should easier than ever.
Only possible issue although minor would be if they went with a different CPU or GPU maker.
 
VaLLiancE said:
I am not talking about MS approach as to me its a trojan horse jump into the next gen.
If these consoles stay with x86 based hardware...BC should easier than ever.
Only possible issue although minor would be if they went with a different CPU or GPU maker.
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Isn't that the reason they are integrating windows OS? To unify regardless of hardware? Direct transfer of One games to One X regardless of the specific coding the es RAM required?
 
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