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  • Already pre Ordered

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • Will buy this Year

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • When it's at the right Price/Has some Games

    Votes: 8 19.0%

  • NO THANK YOU!

    Votes: 13 31.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 7.1%

  • I'll buy the Xbox/PS Ports After This Is Dead

    Votes: 3 7.1%
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Intellivision said:
As long as your expectations are tempered, and you can accept the fact a second controller is $70 for Pro and $110 for a second fully featured joy con, and online fees are coming down the line, you should be fine.

- Expect the usual quality first party Ninty games (if you enjoy Nintry's franchises)
- Don't expect lots of quantity or latest quality third party games. Expect a small smattering of them at last gen quality
- To get the most out of it, use it as on the go gaming, or do all that "bring it to a party" stuff. If you're just going to have it docked the whole time, it defeats the purpose of it. In that case, might as well just get your Wii U back. Zelda is coming out for it, and Switch's MK and Splatoon are supposed to be more like remasters than full fledged sequels... it's MK 8 Deluxe after all. You would miss Super Mario Odyssey though
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I won't be buying any additional controllers. This will basically be my lounge around the house handheld.

I hope Nintendo doesn't abandon the 3DS type games. 2D games in 1080p on that screen would be amazing and what I'm hoping for.

I don't expect a ton of third party support. I just hope it's successful enough to pump out great games.
 
Dno69 said:
I won't be buying any additional controllers. This will basically be my lounge around the house handheld.

I hope Nintendo doesn't abandon the 3DS type games. 2D games in 1080p on that screen would be amazing and what I'm hoping for.

I don't expect a ton of third party support. I just hope it's successful enough to pump out great games.
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Who knows what will happen, but looking at Wii U's track record, Ninty still released a number of first party games though the system died pretty fast. Third party games started drying up after year 1. I think the system still had a decent assortment of small scale digital games.

So by the sounds of it, if Switch ended up following a similar path as Wii U, and you don't care about the absurd prices of additional controllers, then you should be in a pretty good spot.
 
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Dno69 said:
I won't be buying any additional controllers. This will basically be my lounge around the house handheld.

I hope Nintendo doesn't abandon the 3DS type games. 2D games in 1080p on that screen would be amazing and what I'm hoping for.

I don't expect a ton of third party support. I just hope it's successful enough to pump out great games.
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That's a good point actually. If Nintendo does look at it as a successor to the 3DS (as well as Wii U) and shifts all that development over accordingly; that could be pretty interesting.

That'd be their best bet IMO.
 
Switch could be a great place for smaller indie games. Unfortunately since Nintendo decided to be so damn secretive it doesn't look like it got into any indie hands with enough time to put games out this year.
 
pravus said:
Maybe $30-40 would be more realistic than the $20 I suggested. Either way, I'd like to see them at least deliver up to 360 (maybe late PS3 at minimum) standards of online system/account systems before I'd even bother.

I didn't hear about that party invite thing, but that's just more weird to pile onto of a mountain of weird.
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I wouldn't even expect original xbox live standards. Seems like Nintendo saw what MS and Sony were doing and decided to do it except ass backwards as f***.

Intellivision said:
Who knows what will happen, but looking at Wii U's track record, Ninty still released a number of first party games though the system died pretty fast. Third party games started drying up after year 1. I think the system still had a decent assortment of small scale digital games.

So by the sounds of it, if Switch ended up following a similar path as Wii U, and you don't care about the absurd prices of additional controllers, then you should be in a pretty good spot.
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Its best future is probably one that embraces the handheld side. Make a $200 handheld only SKU and maybe its another 3DS in terms of 3rd party support.
 
pravus said:
That's a good point actually. If Nintendo does look at it as a successor to the 3DS (as well as Wii U) and shifts all that development over accordingly; that could be pretty interesting.

That'd be their best bet IMO.
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That would be an interesting strategy for Ninty and third party handheld dev. If 3DS is left in the dust (I think it still sells an ok amount???), that would mean Ninty would focus on one piece of hardware for the first time since NES. They always been a two-front company. One home console, one handheld. The only time they focused on a single piece of hardware is the handful of NES years before Gameboy came out.

Personally, I think it would be a bad strategy. Even though Ninty's best and most consistent success historically has actually come from the handheld product lines, focusing on Switch may sound good (it's a handheld), but it's high price and hybrid tv/mobile system makes it 50/50 whether it competes with MS/Sony or tablets. I don't see it being successful that way.

No matter how Ninty wants Wii U or Switch tablet gaming to be mobile, it will never be as successful as true mobile gaming like cellphones or Gameboys and 3DS's. Tablet gaming just isn't portable enough to just pull out of a pocket, so the image of Switch will always have some part of it competing against MS/Sony which it will lose.

Now if Ninty came out with an awesome backwards compatible 4DS of some kind then I can see success there.
 
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Intellivision said:
We'll see.

Val despises any game less than 1080p, so let's see if he magically changes tune with Zelda.
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900p is a good compromise but it doesn't upscale as well to 4K,plus 1080p is significantly better.
But yeah the 2017 GOTY gets a free pass...heck id be sad but all over it still if it was 720p.
 
pravus said:
That's a good point actually. If Nintendo does look at it as a successor to the 3DS (as well as Wii U) and shifts all that development over accordingly; that could be pretty interesting.

That'd be their best bet IMO.
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This thing isn't mobile. It's like gaming on your iPad.
 
VaLLiancE said:
900p is a good compromise but it doesn't upscale as well to 4K,plus 1080p is significantly better.
But yeah the 2017 GOTY gets a free pass...heck id be sad but all over it still if it was 720p.
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I'm seeing 30fps too.

First it was 900p/60fps, then 1080p/60fps according to reps, now 900p/30fps?

They need to get them details nailed down.

Plainview said:
This thing isn't mobile. It's like gaming on your iPad.
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It's a little big. Definitely doesn't fit in your pocket. True.

Are they planning on keeping their DS line? Seems like there is potential for marketing cross-over problems if they do.
 
pravus said:
Are they planning on keeping their DS line? Seems like there is potential for marketing cross-over problems if they do.
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Odds are, reason this thing is being called a console as opposed to a portable or hybrid, is that if it's a failure, Nintendo can always bring out a 4DS and say "The Switch wasn't meant to replace the 3DS"
 
Zelda will be a real test for me and my feelings about the Switches future.
Not just gameplay (which will surely be stellar) but what is possible with Switch.
 
Bellybama said:
it would have in the late 90's!

I had some epic baggy pants back then. Blue denim never looked so fine!

Some Hammer pants could rock these too!
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They'd fit in a pair of JNCOS for sure.

You could probably fit a Wii U pad in there, lol
 
pravus said:
I'm seeing 30fps too.

First it was 900p/60fps, then 1080p/60fps according to reps, now 900p/30fps?

They need to get them details nailed down.



It's a little big. Definitely doesn't fit in your pocket. True.

Are they planning on keeping their DS line? Seems like there is potential for marketing cross-over problems if they do.
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By the looks of the previews and DF's analysis, it's 30 fps, with a few bits of choppiness to the 20s (hardly notceable). So unless Nintendo has a secret version under their belt that switches to 60 fps for the retail game, Zelda will be 900p/30 fps.

The 1080p/60 fps projections were BS.
 
Sasquatch Montana said:
Odds are, reason this thing is being called a console as opposed to a portable or hybrid, is that if it's a failure, Nintendo can always bring out a 4DS and say "The Switch wasn't meant to replace the 3DS"
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Yeah.

Ninty R&D surely has some other hardware they are working on in case Switch doesn't do well. Maybe it's a Switch 2, or a 4DS. Maybe both. If I was a betting man, I'd expect Ninty to be working on Switch with a secondary focus on 4DS. As well as their software dept working on more cellphone games.

If Switch bombs, you'll see Ninty snap their fingers and tell everyone to get ready to switch to 4DS in 2019.
 
That'd be a nice FU to their faithful. I know you just dropped $500+ on our last experiment, well that didn't work out, here's our next...
 
Rollins said:
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DF experienced the same thing when they tested it, but it was locked at 30 fps probably 99% of the time. Only happened during more intense parts like big splashy effects, and a puzzling part where it looked like a normal course of play... they thought it was a streaming issue.
 
VaLLiancE said:
Zelda will be a real test for me and my feelings about the Switches future.
Not just gameplay (which will surely be stellar) but what is possible with Switch.
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The game is one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen. So I'm already encouraged by what Switch can do.

Resolution could be an issue when it's docked. But if you use it mainly as a handheld like I'll do. The games should look great.
 
It just seems insanely underpowered, the pro is what 6 times more powerful and it's not anything special. I didn't expect anything great, just decent. The switch is no where near decent power wise and looks to be struggling with old games.
 
Dno69 said:
The game is one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen. So I'm already encouraged by what Switch can do.

Resolution could be an issue when it's docked. But if you use it mainly as a handheld like I'll do. The games should look great.
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I don't find Zelda's visuals as bad as people are stating either. Ninty and Zelda games are typically bright and cartoony, so the game conforms to that trend. The visuals are pretty simply though. And the colouring seems off sometimes. Some pics show Link that has very orange skin???

I think key reason why some people don't like the visuals is because some are comparing it to some kind of E3 2014 promo video and images which does seem much more detailed. And that was on Wii U. 3 years later on Wii U and Switch, you'd think the visuals would improve, but comparing them visuals seem to be worse, so it seems Ninty bullshotted E3 2014 footage.

Also, some people don't like this new style. Some people like Wind Waker's art style more, which I find puzzling, but some prefer styling that is more anime/big headed/big eyed in their games.
 
de3d1 said:
It just seems insanely underpowered, the pro is what 6 times more powerful and it's not anything special. I didn't expect anything great, just decent. The switch is no where near decent power wise and looks to be struggling with old games.
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I don't get it. You'd think the posterchild of console gaming would be throwing punches at competitors, especially since they have $10 billion in the bank, but like sports some teams play to win. Some play to "not lose". Sounds like the same thing, but it's really not. Ninty is playing not to lose.... which is rarely successful in real life sports. They are like that team that never goes for it. They are happy to scrape into the playoffs and lose in the first round. Never want to spend money to sign players to put them over the top, but still smart enough to do well enough so the team doesn't go bankrupt and disappear.

But given the trend the last few systems, Ninty has shown a clear strategy of:

- Underpowered systems
- Subpar online feature set, apps, digital downloads
- Big focus on first party games
- Little focus on third party games (some of it goes hand and hand with being an underpowered system)

I'll assume that these strategies are purposely done this way knowing this..... as opposed to Ninty execs truly going "OMG! We didn't think it would end up this way!"

So it shows they've given up on the core gamer and third party support. Third party support along with third party royalty fees ($$$$$) can come if they beef up the specs (more R&D and hardware costs), but it doesn't seem like they see value and risk going after more games, shadowed by more R&D costs. In other words, they are being conservative. More third party games should equal more gamers buying games and online subscriptions which they are adding later in the year, but they'd rather stop short.

But it seems Ninty is completely happy being a niche system, making money off devoted Ninty fans, while letting MS/Sony battle it out for the bigger slices of the pie.

However, 3DS sales are drying up, so they don't have the luxury of having oodles of Gameboy, DS and 3DS profits to balance out their hit and miss console success. It showed with Wii U when they finally had quarterly losses for the first time in like 50 years. If Switch bombs, I don't see 3DS being enough to prop them up. Their days of making billions in profits per year (Wii hey days) are long gone.
 
Dno69 said:
The game is one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen. So I'm already encouraged by what Switch can do.

Resolution could be an issue when it's docked. But if you use it mainly as a handheld like I'll do. The games should look great.
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Don't care for using Switch as a handheld/don't care for handhelds unless they could offer console like multiplayer on the go.
 
One of the biggest online retailers in the UK shopto still haven't sold out...
 
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