The End of the United States: A Political Thread.

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hrudey

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If true, oh man, spill all of the beans you know and you better know a lot of beans.
From what I've seen his attorneys haven't yet filed the request to leave the case with the judge, so I don't want to be too premature, but he's being squeezed hard. Manafort's got to be getting squirmy, too - I'd imagine his bail will be revoked on Friday. The only thing is, with Gates in tow, I'm not even sure there's anything Manafort could have offered Mueller either way, even if Cohen's not flipping.

The bigger deal is that almost nothing that Cohen has had was covered by attorney-client privilege. Combine that with him recording phone calls and... well, even if he doesn't cooperate he's probably had enough of his information taken by the feds to unmask anything below-the-board that's occurred.
 

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From what I've seen his attorneys haven't yet filed the request to leave the case with the judge, so I don't want to be too premature, but he's being squeezed hard. Manafort's got to be getting squirmy, too - I'd imagine his bail will be revoked on Friday. The only thing is, with Gates in tow, I'm not even sure there's anything Manafort could have offered Mueller either way, even if Cohen's not flipping.

The bigger deal is that almost nothing that Cohen has had was covered by attorney-client privilege. Combine that with him recording phone calls and... well, even if he doesn't cooperate he's probably had enough of his information taken by the feds to unmask anything below-the-board that's occurred.
It's everywhere now.
 

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What sucks is the morons in the Cult of Trump won't believe anything that comes out of it, even direct evidence between Trump and Cohen.

The Trump kool aid drinkers will just say he's "in on the conspiracy" as is everyone else who goes against Don. They could have smoking gun evidence and it won't change a thing to those who truly believe the emperor is wearing invisible clothes still.

Look for the Cohen hit pieces to start any minute now discrediting him and making him seem like a con man who took advantage of Trump.
 

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From what I've seen his attorneys haven't yet filed the request to leave the case with the judge, so I don't want to be too premature, but he's being squeezed hard. Manafort's got to be getting squirmy, too - I'd imagine his bail will be revoked on Friday. The only thing is, with Gates in tow, I'm not even sure there's anything Manafort could have offered Mueller either way, even if Cohen's not flipping.

The bigger deal is that almost nothing that Cohen has had was covered by attorney-client privilege. Combine that with him recording phone calls and... well, even if he doesn't cooperate he's probably had enough of his information taken by the feds to unmask anything below-the-board that's occurred.
Mr. Cohen’s current legal team is expected to stay with him for the rest of the week as they struggle to complete a laborious review of a trove of documents and data files seized from him by the authorities two months ago. But after that review is finished, he will seek new legal counsel, the people familiar with his case said. The issue is primarily over payment of the legal bills of one of his lawyers, Stephen Ryan, according to a person familiar with the discussions.
 

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Speaking of Manafort, I read/heard that because his new indictment is tied with Konstantin Kilimnik, if Trump wanted to pardon Manafort on these charges, it would have to include Kilimnik lol. That would look really interesting to see Trump pardon a Russian.
 

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Look who's about to start enriching uranium again

 

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Never mind the fact that the situations in Europe and the one in the US are completely different. What is better than a little racist strawman though?
 

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...for-150-blank-subpoenas-in-paul-manafort-case

Robert Mueller files request for 150 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort case
Special counsel Robert Mueller on Wednesday filed a request for 150 blank subpoenas in the Eastern District of Virginia, where former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort lives.​
The two-page filing reveals little, but says that that each subpoena recipient must appear in the Alexandria, Va., courthouse on July 25 to testify in the case.​
Judge T.S. Ellis III has now moved the trial date twice, first from July 10 to July 24, and then from that date to July 25.​
The 150 blank subpoenas amount to 75 total possible subpoenas — in each case, a subpoena is needed for the witness and another is needed for the defense. Court documents filed in April show that Mueller's team was pushing to subpoena 35 witnesses in the trial.​
In May, court documents showed he had filed 70 blank subpoenas.​
A blank subpoena means the party serving the subpoena, in this case the federal government, can fill in the name later, as long as it is done so before the subpoena is served.​
The document says each recipient “must also bring with you the following documents, electronically stored information or objects” — but what follows that line is under seal.​
 

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...for-150-blank-subpoenas-in-paul-manafort-case

Robert Mueller files request for 150 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort case
Special counsel Robert Mueller on Wednesday filed a request for 150 blank subpoenas in the Eastern District of Virginia, where former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort lives.​
The two-page filing reveals little, but says that that each subpoena recipient must appear in the Alexandria, Va., courthouse on July 25 to testify in the case.​
Judge T.S. Ellis III has now moved the trial date twice, first from July 10 to July 24, and then from that date to July 25.​

The 150 blank subpoenas amount to 75 total possible subpoenas — in each case, a subpoena is needed for the witness and another is needed for the defense. Court documents filed in April show that Mueller's team was pushing to subpoena 35 witnesses in the trial.​
In May, court documents showed he had filed 70 blank subpoenas.​
A blank subpoena means the party serving the subpoena, in this case the federal government, can fill in the name later, as long as it is done so before the subpoena is served.​
The document says each recipient “must also bring with you the following documents, electronically stored information or objects” — but what follows that line is under seal.​
That's a lot of witches.
 
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Do you want Red Dawn to happen? Because this is how you make Red Dawn happen.
 

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So Sarah Sanders isnt quitng, but I could understand why she would.
It is natural for a mother to want to lie to her own kids, instead of paying someone else to.

At least she has the rest of the world to lie to in their stead.
 

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I'm sure he told him his feet hurt too much for him to go near a former warzone.
 

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One nation, under Trump.

“It’s Trump’s party now. If you criticize the president, you will face the wrath of the Trump voter,” said Republican strategist John Feehery, a former congressional aide.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...=topNews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter
It's imperative that democrats win everything they can November. They better be on point with a correct message. 'trump's party' is one of the worst sayings I've heard in years. It's vomit inducing. People should be ashamed at being completely shammed.
 

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It's imperative that democrats win everything they can November. They better be on point with a correct message. 'trump's party' is one of the worst sayings I've heard in years. It's vomit inducing. People should be ashamed at being completely shammed.
Yep, being loyal to a party to a fault is scary. Being loyal to one man is terrifying. This kind of mentality is just incompatible with democracy.
 

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Yep, being loyal to a party to a fault is scary. Being loyal to one man is terrifying. This kind of mentality is just incompatible with democracy.
I'm completely at a loss at how to engage them. I've tried it all with people I know personally. The one thing I can't do is be empathetic towards them. I can't do that morally. I just can't. I've pointed out facts. Doesn't work. I've shown them how America is worse off. I've pointed out the lies. I've pointed out the underhandedness. None of it works. They are beyond help. They will never change.
 

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I'm completely at a loss at how to engage them. I've tried it all with people I know personally. The one thing I can't do is be empathetic towards them. I can't do that morally. I just can't. I've pointed out facts. Doesn't work. I've shown them how America is worse off. I've pointed out the lies. I've pointed out the underhandedness. None of it works. They are beyond help. They will never change.
They aren't aware of what they hold sacred. They used to be able to say "we care about fiscal responsibility" or "we care about small government" or whatever other stories they allowed themselves to be convinced of in order to justify that, in the end, they are intensely loyal to whatever they are told to be loyal to.
 

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I'm completely at a loss at how to engage them. I've tried it all with people I know personally. The one thing I can't do is be empathetic towards them. I can't do that morally. I just can't. I've pointed out facts. Doesn't work. I've shown them how America is worse off. I've pointed out the lies. I've pointed out the underhandedness. None of it works. They are beyond help. They will never change.
There is no way to communicate with them. They see people like us as "the enemy". If you aren't 100% loyal, you are the enemy, plain and simple.

There's no compromise to them, you are loyal or you aren't. The middle is being eliminated. They don't really like Trump, but their Faux News info bubble paints anyone else as even more evil.

I laugh when people call me a liberal/socialist. I'm a pretty boring middle of the road indie who has never belonged to a major party. It is kind of scary though too to see people think of me as their political enemy.
 

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They aren't aware of what they hold sacred. They used to be able to say "we care about fiscal responsibility" or "we care about small government" or whatever other stories they allowed themselves to be convinced of in order to justify that, in the end, they are intensely loyal to whatever they are told to be loyal to.
Pretty much. I come from a military family and I'm like the only non registered Republican, and everytime I speak out against them I get looks like I'm the problem. Everytime I bring up something like net neutrality or tariffs making our cost of goods go up they agree, but then I say something like, "well maybe you should do some more information on the other candidates before you vote" and it's always met with "I only vote Republican." or something along those lines. They don't even know what it means anymore because as others I"m sure have pointed out, they tend to only watch Faux News.
 

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Today the DOJ is releasing their investigation into the FBI. I hope it's all above board. Any little deviation will be used for fodder by his base.