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Well if you aren't sure about the candidate when the alternative is trump it may not make you racist or sexist but it sure makes you deserving of some kind of insult.

Sadly, they need to decide if they want to make a big statement, or win an election.

They may be racist, neo-nazi misogynists, but they all do one thing - vote.

Unfortunately it comes down to strategy vs keeping the higher ground. We held the higher ground just fine in 2016 and how did that turn out?

I wish this wasn't the country that we live in, but repeating the same mistakes again means another 4 more years (probably more, he'll have the court to change the constitution).

What Trump did in his election is not play to the conservative base, but to the middle and lower class white voters. He did enough to make sure his base stayed in line. Unfortunately Democrats need to do the same. Show how the economic policies of the GOP are BS to Joe Sixpack living paycheck to paycheck in Michigan. Joe Sixpack rolls his eyes the moment social issues come up. They care about economy, economy and economy. That's what the Dems need to hit hard over and over. If that is a man or a woman, great. We can't run on a progressive ticket and call anyone who votes Trump deplorables. That was literally a rallying cry for his base.

We're not exactly working with the best and brightest out here. We live in an area where 15 minutes of fame is 14:30 too long. The message needs to be short, simple and on point.
 
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Sadly, they need to decide if they want to make a big statement, or win an election.

They may be racist, neo-nazi misogynists, but they all do one thing - vote.

Unfortunately it comes down to strategy vs keeping the higher ground. We held the higher ground just fine in 2016 and how did that turn out?

I wish this wasn't the country that we live in, but repeating the same mistakes again means another 4 more years (probably more, he'll have the court to change the constitution).

What Trump did in his election is not play to the conservative base, but to the middle and lower class white voters. He did enough to make sure his base stayed in line. Unfortunately Democrats need to do the same. Show how the economic policies of the GOP are BS to Joe Sixpack living paycheck to paycheck in Michigan. Joe Sixpack rolls his eyes the moment social issues come up. They care about economy, economy and economy. That's what the Dems need to hit hard over and over. If that is a man or a woman, great. We can't run on a progressive ticket and call anyone who votes Trump deplorables. That was literally a rallying cry for his base.

We're not exactly working with the best and brightest out here. We live in an area where 15 minutes of fame is 14:30 too long. The message needs to be short, simple and on point.

Could be even worse in 2020 with a possibly crowded Democratic primary. You will have even more people getty pissy about not getting their candidate. As you said Republicans just get in line and vote. Trump didn't win just because of "Bernie or bust"ers but its still annoys the hell out of me.
 
After these midterms whoever is planning on running should start. They need to go everywhere, even in deep red areas. They may not be able to turn 99% of Tumps hard core base but they to go and show them they have a choice and leave that with them. And run on Medicare for all and jobs.
 
Well if you aren't sure about the candidate when the alternative is trump it may not make you racist or sexist but it sure makes you deserving of some kind of insult.

Trump is awful and he needs to go, that doesn't mean that any alternative has to be embraced with open arms if they are a terrible choice as well. Clearly you'd take the lesser of two evils in that respect and I can't think of any scenario where Trump isn't the greater evil but you also need someone who's going to bring out enough people to defeat him, you know his supporters are going to be there for sure so it has to be someone that gets not only the hardcore dems out there but the middle of the road voters, independents and moderate republicans who are turned off by Trump.
 
If it is a woman that we put up I hope it's Warren and not Harris, Warren has a record of trying to help the little guy. She has credibility on that issue where as Harris hasn't really done anything like that yet and it seems most of her supporters only want her because of her gender and ethnicity vs electability.
 
Harris seems kind of like a Schumer, says all the right things at a glance but has no real substance. Not that I follow her all that closely. Schumer just says the most simple things that anyone slightly left of center would agree with.

I'm still worried that Andrew Cuomo is going to run. He says no, but that's usually what people who are going to run say.
 
If it is a woman that we put up I hope it's Warren and not Harris, Warren has a record of trying to help the little guy. She has credibility on that issue where as Harris hasn't really done anything like that yet and it seems most of her supporters only want her because of her gender and ethnicity vs electability.

Well you are going to need to get people excited and I could see her getting people excited which I question happening with Warren and as stupid as it is the Native American stuff isn't helping.

I wish Biden was just a little big younger
 
Who would get the voters out to actually vote? All that needed to be done was having 100,000 more voters. trump won by around 90,000 voters. Hell, we had people on here that didn't vote, and were voting for Hillary, in states that trump won but wasn't supposed to. In that same breath, there has to be hope that trump hasn't reached voters who would have voted for him that thought he was going to lose anyway and stayed home.

I do have no doubt Bernie voters who stayed home in protest could have easily won the election for Hillary. I feel there's an easy 250,000 that stayed home in protest.
 
Who would get the voters out to actually vote? All that needed to be done was having 100,000 more voters. trump won by around 90,000 voters. Hell, we had people on here that didn't vote, and were voting for Hillary, in states that trump won but wasn't supposed to. In that same breath, there has to be hope that trump hasn't reached voters who would have voted for him that thought he was going to lose anyway and stayed home.

I do have no doubt Bernie voters who stayed home in protest could have easily won the election for Hillary. I feel there's an easy 250,000 that stayed home in protest.

Just have the ridiculous mess of a primary like Republicans had and hope the cream rises to the top. And don't be afraid to be more bold with the VP. Its understandable why playing it safe makes sense but Hillary shouldn't have played it safe. Putting Bernie on the ticket wouldn't have been a bad idea. Depending on who wins it may still be worth the thought.

Steve Bullock would be an interesting choice
 
Just have the ridiculous mess of a primary like Republicans had and hope the cream rises to the top. And don't be afraid to be more bold with the VP. Its understandable why playing it safe makes sense but Hillary shouldn't have played it safe. Putting Bernie on the ticket wouldn't have been a bad idea. Depending on who wins it may still be worth the thought.

Steve Bullock would be an interesting choice
Bernie should have been the VP. There's no question about it. We wouldn't be where we are now. I 100% believe that.
 
trump claims he'd never donate money if Warren did a DNA test that proved she has Native American in her. He denies he ever said it.

Wait, Trump said he'd pay someone for doing something and then didn't? Sounds like pretty much every contractor he's had ever. Probably why he has such s***ty lawyers too.
 


I think no matter the outcome of his Senate race, I can see Beto running for president at some point.


Yup. I can totally see Democrats running a drunk driving criminal.

Couple friends received a VIP pass to see the President tonight from him being in the military and knowing a higher up military person. They where so excited. She said best day of her life besides her kids being born. LmaoView attachment 1982

Trump rallies are something else. If I had to compare it to anything I would compare it to a rock concert.


No, a metal concert.

Remember, they’re claiming the “left” is an angry mob.





I've seen these proud boys before. They go out and push back on the "anti fascist" fascists that intimidate, harass and physically assault innocent people. So not only does the left wing media stand up for their violent extremists, they lie about those that defend themselves against them.

Proud Boys?

wtf :txbconfused:

They're a multiethnic racist hate group.

Now think about that... multi ethnic racists...


That's the fundamental difference between us: I understand the difference between right and wrong. If the antifa are doing half of the things you're being told they are (even though a large percentage of the stuff you see is photoshopped), then they're wrong. These a******s are wrong. The a******s in Charlottesville are wrong. Violence, racism, sexism, these things are wrong.

On the other hand, your moral scale isn't right and wrong, it's right and left. And that's wrong, but you'll keep on surrounding yourself with a******s because you like their s***.

It's really not hard to find dozens, if not hundreds of hours of video proof that antifa are nothing but violent fascists. It doesnt' really shock me, to be honest. What really shocks me are all the idiots that say "but derrrrrp, they're called anti fascists..."


The last Republican tax plan should ensure that not one Republican wins an election next month, but people will still vote for it anyway.

I firmly believe that all the racism and sexism is a way to trick lower and middle class white people into voting for something that will never benefit them in any way.

Only one side plays identity politics, genius.

And it's not the right.

Now run along and find us all a far, far right ethno-nationalist and claim "here! see?!? A republican that uses identity politics to fear monger and race bait". Then turn on just about any left wing mainstream news organization and watch the oppression olympics in full swing.

At a glance, I'm not sure the Proud Boys are Nazis exactly, but certainly nationalists.

They strike me as very frustrated people looking for identity by turning to the past and nostalgia. Even their figurehead leader McInnes dresses basically like the main character from Falling Down.

I'm not sure there is something wrong with their basic concept, but I think they contribute unnecessary escalation. There is something a bit punkish or juvenile to them in a way and they even refer to them selves as Proud Boys instead of Men and they have a gang mentality.

Some of this feels like a weird version of Project Mayhem from Fight Club.


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The proud boys are a pro western civilization chauvinists. They, like 10's of millions of us. We are proud of our heritage and ancestry and we refuse to apologize for building the modern world. And yes, they're punk rock. Gavin McInnes is a big fan of punk and that life style. The left tries to paint them as racists and weak minded morons fall for it because "the media said it, derp must be true...". But the truth is that TPB's are a multi ethnic group. Hell, McInnes' wife is "first nations". What kind of racist marries a native?

This gets worse.



I'd say it got better. Three fascists went to jail. Sounds like a happy ending to me.

Democrats and the left condem antifa and their stupidity. The right, as a whole, embrace child rapists, adulterers, sexual assaulters, racists, murders. They actually bow down to it. They literally worship child rapists and sexual assaulters. But libs r dum.

Wow, this is simply one long stream of stupid. WTF is wrong with you?

This tweet pissed me off


Playing identity politics didn't work so well last time for us did it? Get someone who can win first and then worry about checking other boxes. I replied to her saying basically the same thing. I can't stand this "it has to be a woman or a person of color" mentality, not because of the way the right will act but because of what the response on the left will be if someone isn't sure about the candidate. They'll call any doubters sexist or racist and god forbid it's Harris they'll call them both and that'll just turn middle of the road voters off enough that they don't bother voting and Dump will end up winning a second term.



Your life will be so much simpler, so less stressful once you come to grips with one fact.


The far left has hijacked your party. #Walkaway

They routinely throw up the ok nazi hand gesture. Their leader claims he’s not a nazi, but he’s anti-Semitic. They believe a woman’s place is in the kitchen and nothing more. They claim they’re not racist because they have token Latinos and African Americans They're anti-gay. The list is endless. They're a racist, sexist, anti-gay group of low self esteem male nazis who feel the need to be c***s to make themselves feel like "men."


Wow...

You need to step away from the fake news for a while. You've gone completely off the deep end of r******d.

Sadly, they need to decide if they want to make a big statement, or win an election.

They may be racist, neo-nazi misogynists, but they all do one thing - vote.

Unfortunately it comes down to strategy vs keeping the higher ground. We held the higher ground just fine in 2016 and how did that turn out?

I wish this wasn't the country that we live in, but repeating the same mistakes again means another 4 more years (probably more, he'll have the court to change the constitution).

What Trump did in his election is not play to the conservative base, but to the middle and lower class white voters. He did enough to make sure his base stayed in line. Unfortunately Democrats need to do the same. Show how the economic policies of the GOP are BS to Joe Sixpack living paycheck to paycheck in Michigan. Joe Sixpack rolls his eyes the moment social issues come up. They care about economy, economy and economy. That's what the Dems need to hit hard over and over. If that is a man or a woman, great. We can't run on a progressive ticket and call anyone who votes Trump deplorables. That was literally a rallying cry for his base.

We're not exactly working with the best and brightest out here. We live in an area where 15 minutes of fame is 14:30 too long. The message needs to be short, simple and on point.

Too bad Democrats don't have an economic plan to bring back jobs. They just want to raise taxes, regulate the hell out of industry and get as many people on handouts as possible. That's their gameplan and they're not about to ditch it. So get ready for about 20 years of strong conservative control.
 
Fun fact: Gavin McInnes, the leader of the multi ethnic "racist" proud boys, is widely considered the god father of hipsters.
 
Hipsters seem like a merging of Grunge with Beatniks.

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The Proud Boys seem like combining this all with a 3rd element of the Rebel. They're Rebel Hippy Beatnik Hipsters.

Maybe this is just an evolving form of counter-culture to protest the direction of the mainstream culture. Seriously though, I think the Rebel side is a bit questionable in it's usefulness. Yes they can be patriotic, but they seem like a group looking to be obnoxious and cause escalation.



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Well you are going to need to get people excited and I could see her getting people excited which I question happening with Warren and as stupid as it is the Native American stuff isn't helping.

I wish Biden was just a little big younger

Warren just released her DNA results which shows she's native American (well 1/32 lol) She doesn't have any conflict of interest stories behind her though the way Harris does with how she took money
Yup. I can totally see Democrats running a drunk driving criminal.



Trump rallies are something else. If I had to compare it to anything I would compare it to a rock concert.


No, a metal concert.



I've seen these proud boys before. They go out and push back on the "anti fascist" fascists that intimidate, harass and physically assault innocent people. So not only does the left wing media stand up for their violent extremists, they lie about those that defend themselves against them.



They're a multiethnic racist hate group.

Now think about that... multi ethnic racists...




It's really not hard to find dozens, if not hundreds of hours of video proof that antifa are nothing but violent fascists. It doesnt' really shock me, to be honest. What really shocks me are all the idiots that say "but derrrrrp, they're called anti fascists..."




Only one side plays identity politics, genius.

And it's not the right.

Now run along and find us all a far, far right ethno-nationalist and claim "here! see?!? A republican that uses identity politics to fear monger and race bait". Then turn on just about any left wing mainstream news organization and watch the oppression olympics in full swing.




The proud boys are a pro western civilization chauvinists. They, like 10's of millions of us. We are proud of our heritage and ancestry and we refuse to apologize for building the modern world. And yes, they're punk rock. Gavin McInnes is a big fan of punk and that life style. The left tries to paint them as racists and weak minded morons fall for it because "the media said it, derp must be true...". But the truth is that TPB's are a multi ethnic group. Hell, McInnes' wife is "first nations". What kind of racist marries a native?



I'd say it got better. Three fascists went to jail. Sounds like a happy ending to me.



Wow, this is simply one long stream of stupid. WTF is wrong with you?




Your life will be so much simpler, so less stressful once you come to grips with one fact.


The far left has hijacked your party. #Walkaway




Wow...

You need to step away from the fake news for a while. You've gone completely off the deep end of r******d.



Too bad Democrats don't have an economic plan to bring back jobs. They just want to raise taxes, regulate the hell out of industry and get as many people on handouts as possible. That's their gameplan and they're not about to ditch it. So get ready for about 20 years of strong conservative control.

I'm a proud leftie but I just don't think playing identity politics is a winning strategy against the other side who lies like crazy and has the most corrupt person (yes even more corrupt than HRC) not only running their party but the country. That clown hates the poor people who seem to idolize him, he loves the attention but he wouldn't spit on one if they were on fire. He doesn't give a s*** about anyone but himself and to a lesser extent his daughter, it's just sad that politicians in both parties have screwed things up so much that a clown like that became electable in the first place.
 
The biggest problem in "politics" is that people go on social media and find the most awful things being committed by the other side and then use that as justification for their actions. I mean, to say there's youtube footage of a thing is not an argument that that thing is a widespread problem. You can find hours of video of people addicted to eating dirt. Yes, that's a thing. Does it mean that this country has a dirt eating problem? Of course not.

What happens is both sides use extremism to justify extremism. How many people have ever seen political violence first hand? I work for a fairly large university and all I see is millennials walking around with their heads buried in iPhones. These kids barely vote.
 
Warren just released her DNA results which shows she's native American (well 1/32 lol) She doesn't have any conflict of interest stories behind her though the way Harris does with how she took money

Its actually somewhere between 1/64- /1024. The fact that it could be 1/1024 is all anyone will pay attention to. I think she would be great but I don't think she would be great at going at him and Trump and attacking him. Not tough enough.

If its not someone more unknown that wins I think a Biden/Harris ticket would look good. Or Harris/Bernie.
 
Its actually somewhere between 1/64- /1024. The fact that it could be 1/1024 is all anyone will pay attention to. I think she would be great but I don't think she would be great at going at him and Trump and attacking him. Not tough enough.

If its not someone more unknown that wins I think a Biden/Harris ticket would look good. Or Harris/Bernie.
Bernie/Harris or Biden/Bernie.
 
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