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Silence can be an admission, or it could be a way to stop rewarding pissants who ask you if you're still beating your wife and only let you answer yes or no. ;)

Damn I'm glad I'm happily divorced. ;)

What you said is basically what I was saying earlier though, it can are the keywords.
 
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I can't stand Albert Panello's doublespeak. It is insulting. It's an excellent representation... No one wants to see representations a month out from launch.

Especially since Sony's already shown their full retail Snap functionality (and it won't even need that day one update to be unlocked). :crazy:
 
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Damn I'm glad I'm happily divorced. ;)

What you said is basically what I was saying earlier though, it can are the keywords.

Precisely. And it's a courtesy to respond to people and organizations that have valid concerns whenever possible, but when certain perpetual turdgherkins keep on saying ridiculous nonsense and they keep being shown to be false, I'm not going to fault MS for not bothering to acknowledge them further.
 
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Precisely. And it's a courtesy to respond to people and organizations that have valid concerns whenever possible, but when certain perpetual turdgherkins keep on saying ridiculous nonsense and they keep being shown to be false, I'm not going to fault MS for not bothering to acknowledge them further.

I agree, it would be pointless to address each moronic tweet out there.
 
You know whats funny. No one is in disbelief when it comes to Sony or the Ps4. But many, MANY are in disbelief when it comes to the X1 and those who actually can speak for it with credibility. I'm getting a Ps4 next year but, it just tells me that Sony isnt bringing anything to the table thats innovative forward thinking....at all.
 
Whilst that makes sense to me, theoretically silence could also be an admission, do you agree at least in a theoretical scenario?

I want you to understand that I'm not saying it's true, just that a corporation could try to conceal something because money is at stake here.
Oh yes, I agree in theory silence could been admission, but at the same time it could mean denial. We all tend to ignore the people who talk BS or spread BS or just in general cause disruption and trouble on purpose, I don't see why a corporation couldn't do the same thing, especially in the current circumstances. When gamers s*** on you no matter what you say, positive or negative, I could see how one would just keep their mouth shut. Better to remain silent and appear a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
 
Right. Because, you know, he's probably lying and all....:rolleyes:

He is doing PR. You think most PR is rooted in complete honesty? If so, I have a bridge to sell you -- just paved too. But that isn't my issue. What I have a problem with is the doublespeak. There are simple and direct ways to answer simple and direct questions and when they don't or can't and use evasive language, I am always suspicious or take what they are saying with a grain of salt. Albert hedges here. This industry is chock full of PR and devlopers and companies that over promise and under deliver generation after generation.
 
Precisely. And it's a courtesy to respond to people and organizations that have valid concerns whenever possible, but when certain perpetual turdgherkins keep on saying ridiculous nonsense and they keep being shown to be false, I'm not going to fault MS for not bothering to acknowledge them further.

I took interest with the bolded, where were these turdgherkins (first time I heard/read this word lol) shown to be false?

I ask because if these guys were shown to be making false claims it'd be evident everywhere wouldn't it?

From where I stand, it's just a matter of whom to believe right now, Microsoft/Sony employees or a bunch of keyboard and mouse users from the internet... Neither are truly satisfying me at the moment.
 
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I took interest with the bolded, where were these turdgherkins (first time I heard/read this word lol) shown to be false?

I ask because if these guys were shown to be making false claims it'd be evident everywhere wouldn't it?

From where I stand, it's just a matter of whom to believe right now, Microsoft/Sony employees or a bunch of keyboard and mouse users from the internet... Neither are truly satisfying me at the moment.

You'd have to ask the people who follow GAF. I don't and don't care to, but I've seen enough post-mortems of their predictions that I'm quite comfortable with dismissing those "sources" until sites with a modicum of credibility actually report these rumors, especially when they're as farfetched as Snap causing game crashes.
 
I took interest with the bolded, where were these turdgherkins (first time I heard/read this word lol) shown to be false?

I ask because if these guys were shown to be making false claims it'd be evident everywhere wouldn't it?

From where I stand, it's just a matter of whom to believe right now, Microsoft/Sony employees or a bunch of keyboard and mouse users from the internet... Neither are truly satisfying me at the moment.

I haven't seen anyone prove any rumors false. I have seen a lot of them say they were proven to be false. I haven't seen anything substantive demonstrating that. I would love to.
 
I'm going to believe this guy!

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Well, i just got back and ther is more bad xbox one rumors!, let me guess where it started.
 
He is doing PR. You think most PR is rooted in complete honesty? If so, I have a bridge to sell you -- just paved too. But that isn't my issue. What I have a problem with is the doublespeak. There are simple and direct ways to answer simple and direct questions and when they don't or can't and use evasive language, I am always suspicious or take what they are saying with a grain of salt. Albert hedges here. This industry is chock full of PR and devlopers and companies that over promise and under deliver generation after generation.

Let me point something out to you genius:

Microsoft has received a s*** storm of flak for being truthful and from surrounding rumors already. This is without the console even being released yet. Does it make any sense WHAT. SO. EVER. that they would risk all that, and then LIE? Are you serious?!o_O
 
I took interest with the bolded, where were these turdgherkins (first time I heard/read this word lol) shown to be false?

I ask because if these guys were shown to be making false claims it'd be evident everywhere wouldn't it?

From where I stand, it's just a matter of whom to believe right now, Microsoft/Sony employees or a bunch of keyboard and mouse users from the internet... Neither are truly satisfying me at the moment.
I'd think that insiders would be right almost all the time, not some of the time. I can be right 50% of the time flipping a coin :p
 
Let me point something out to you genius:

Microsoft has received a s*** storm of flak for being truthful and from surrounding rumors already. This is without the console even being released yet. Does it make any sense WHAT. SO. EVER. that they would risk all that, and then LIE? Are you serious?!o_O

You've noticed it, too, that for a lot of Sony and/or anti-MS fanboys, it's just so supremely important to them for Sony to win the generation before the consoles even launch. It was over at E3, it's over because of those yield issues and downclocks they'd cause, because of the NES-caliber graphics of the XB1, because of TVTVTVKINECTSPORTS, because of QTEs or whatever else has become the canard du jour. It's a shame that they think so little of what Sony is doing that they wrap up their enjoyment of the next gen of console gaming in campaigning for the crashing and burning of MS. I dunno. I'd like to think they'd be excited about KillZone or Knack or...

...oh. Well, yeah, I guess it makes some sense. :smash::crazy::360:
 
I think you guys are missing the critical points about the resolution. Its not mainly about if you can tell the difference, or if you have a TV take can make a difference.

With all else equal, & you have a TV capable, why would you want to to run a game with a lower resolution, when you have a choice of a higher resolution one.

Even more critical, is that a sign that one system is clearly better than the other? By making your game 720p when the other other is able to run at 1080p, surely means the same game have problem running at same resolution.

Of course there can be valid reasons, like the tools on one system are not yet optimise, and whatsoever. But to bring up the concern about the power difference is very valid.

I know this is at its core an XBOX site, but I feel that many people here just cannot seems to accept that there is a possibility, & a reasonable one, that your system of choice is the inferior one, as far as performance, maybe not much, but it exist. It could means lower resolution in some games, blurrier textures, less effects, or even more choppy framerates in others. Remember Skyrim on PS3. Is it not a valid point to want a more stable, maybe better looking version?

Some forumers bring up these very valid concerns, but are bring down by others, or brushed away. Maybe in the end, MS can bring the tools up to a level comparable with PS4, but that is a '?' mark.

If people say, yeah, maybe in the end, some games on XBOX will still run at lower resolution, or less pretty compare to PS4. Its not an issue for me, I can live with XBOX being less powerful, but I prefer XBOX for game due to so & so.

This is a fair statement, but to make it sound like there is no performance difference to produce 1080p vs 720p is just being bias in my opinion.

If I get an xbox, of course I hope the performance is as good as PS4, but at least, I am mentality prepare to get the 'inferor' version of a game, performance wise. If that is not the case, I will however not spend time arguing with people about inferior visuals, or say that I have poor eyesight, so I cannot tell them apart.

In a nutshell, its a fair point to say differences in resolutions doesn't matter to you, but its another thing to deny that there might be a performance difference between the system. But until then, I will wait for official reply from MS, or the developers.
Its not that we refuse to accept PS4"might" have better graphics. Its that we don't believe that the X1 is going to be a tiny bit better than the 360. Have you seen the rumors going around? If you believe the rumors than that's on you. Basically everything the X1 dies has been brought into question.Including Live is going to be worse than psplus is right now. MAYBE if the X1 wasn't being portrayed as the worst console ever. We might believe some rumors. My personal favorite that I heard on this site the Kinect will need batteries. I mean run down the lust of rumors if you can point out one thing the X1 does that hasn't been part of a crazy rumor. I will personally go through and give a like to everyone of your posts.
Kinect rumor,live rumor,controller rumor,live rumor,os rumor, the console itself rumor, games rumor. Am I missing something ?
 
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You've noticed it, too, that for a lot of Sony and/or anti-MS fanboys, it's just so supremely important to them for Sony to win the generation before the consoles even launch. It was over at E3, it's over because of those yield issues and downclocks they'd cause, because of the NES-caliber graphics of the XB1, because of TVTVTVKINECTSPORTS, because of QTEs or whatever else has become the canard du jour. It's a shame that they think so little of what Sony is doing that they wrap up their enjoyment of the next gen of console gaming in campaigning for the crashing and burning of MS. I dunno. I'd like to think they'd be excited about KillZone or Knack or...

...oh. Well, yeah, I guess it makes some sense.
Yeah they all want Sony to reign supreme, not understanding what that would actually do to the industry..monopolies are bad mmmm k

I have even come across sony fanboys who think that a monopoly by sony would be good for gamers, better diverse games because only one platform devs have to work for, no costly ports lol wth.
 
Its not that we refuse to accept PS4"might" have better graphics. Its that we don't believe that the X1 is going to be a tiny bit better than the 360. Have you seen the rumors going around? If you believe the rumors than that's on you. Basically everything the X1 dies has been brought into question.Including Live is going to be worse than psplus is right now. MAYBE if the X1 wasn't being portrayed as the worst console ever. We might believe some rumors. My personal favorite that I heard on this site the Kinect will need batteries. I mean run down the lust of rumors if you can point out one thing the X1 does that hasn't been part of a crazy rumor. I will personally go through and give a like to everyone of your posts.
Kinect rumor,live rumor,controller rumor,live rumor,os rumor, the console itself rumor, games rumor. Am I missing something ?

Just that XBox Live Music is now also total crap and the only song available at all is:
 
Let me point something out to you genius:

Microsoft has received a s*** storm of flak for being truthful and from surrounding rumors already. This is without the console even being released yet. Does it make any sense WHAT. SO. EVER. that they would risk all that, and then LIE? Are you serious?!o_O


Maybe you should step away from the keyboard. You seem way to personally invested in your large multinational corporation of choice. What exactly were they so truthful about and what exactly are you trying to point out here? It wasn't clear.
 
Maybe you should step away from the keyboard. You seem way to personally invested in your large multinational corporation of choice. What exactly were they so truthful about and what exactly are you trying to point out here? It wasn't clear.

The real question is what exactly have they lied about?

And people like Albert Penello has been a lot more patient with the members of GAF than, IMO, he should be. I'm surprised he even tries with them
 
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well as long as you know that the 'real' world does not know who or what a gaf is
and those are the very people who will be buying the consoles
in the long run, its the moms and pops, who will be making those decisions
based on what they experience not hear about from a very biased source as gaf is..
and from what I hear the xbox wins.. cause it is different,
the ps4, just more of the same
hardcore gamers may buy the consoles out of the gate, but its the long haul that counts
its a race, not a sprint
and I will never justify rumors or gossip by repeating it


Some people and some groups are predisposed to accept certain rumors, because those rumors are compatible with their self-interest, or with what they think they know to be true.
CASS R. SUNSTEIN, On Rumors

Read more at http://www.notable-quotes.com/r/rumors_quotes_ii.html#GyHkgZVCskiTsGlu.99
 
Maybe you should step away from the keyboard. You seem way to personally invested in your large multinational corporation of choice. What exactly were they so truthful about and what exactly are you trying to point out here? It wasn't clear.
How the hell did you get emotionally invested out of my comment mate? You make no sense in your statement whatsoever. The man said YES! it works the way you see it in the video. But because he didnt state it the way you thought he should have, he's like, leaving room for assumption and insulting you. Unbelievable. :confused:

As far as what they were truthful about; Think back to the reveal and E3. Then think about the flak they've received since then. Its not very difficult. f*** all! Why the hell would he risk himself or his company and blatantly lie about how the UI functions?! Especially when Sony groupies are so willing to pounce on anything positive about the Xbox One. A Lie would send them right over the falls.

I'm not emotionally invested, I'm mortified by the lack of basic, essential common sense and how irrational Sony groupies can be.
 
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