Thought this was interesting - A letter won't force parents to care about video games.

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In a world where gaming gets a lot of criticism and association with real world violence, I found this opinion piece interesting. It isn't anything new, in fact, it echoes a lot of comments from forum goers all over the web.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/2/8334915/you-cant-force-parents-to-care-about-video-games

A group of teachers who "threatened" parents with reports of neglect for letting their children play the equivalent of Mature-rated games had the gaming world talking a few days ago.

"If your child is allowed to have inappropriate access to any game or associated product that is designated 18+, we are advised to contact the police and children's social care as this is deemed neglectful," the letter read, as reported by Eurogamer.

A follow-up story posted today by a teacher, supporting and explaining the letter, gave some context to the discussion..

The reality is that it's unlikely a parent is going to get in trouble for allowing their children to play certain games, but the bigger problem is how hard it is to get parents to think about games at all.

"The teachers who wrote that letter don't want to be making threats. But this isn't the first attempt at communication. This letter is more of a last resort," the teacher wrote on Eurogamer. "This is the first gaming culture has seen of an interaction between teachers and parents. Some people seem to think this is the first thing teachers have done, that their monocles have fallen out into their cups of tea and they've gone, 'goodness me, this is horrific, we must write a letter.'"

This is the reality of this issue, and why people both inside and outside the industry get so disheartened. It can be hard to get parents to care. But this isn't an issue with games.

LETTERS WON'T HELP
The act of playing Mature-rated games or their equivalent isn't damaging by itself. The parents who know what games their children are playing and why, even if they are rated for adults, aren't the problem. It's the parents who don't care what their kids play, or don't pay attention to the content in the games.

In a sense this isn't about gaming at all. You could argue the same thing about children who mostly eat fast food, or who don't get enough exercise. You could make the issue about guns in the house, or even drug and alcohol use. It's a question of parental involvement, and that's a hard problem to solve with a sternly worded letter.

Parents who don't pay attention to what their children are doing don't compartmentalize; it's rare that you find a household where the kids eat well, are up on their homework, get plenty of rest and also play whatever game they want. Or rather, if that's the case they have enough of a support structure that the games are unlikely to affect them in a negative way. If a child plays too many games, or the wrong games, in an environment without the proper guidance things, can begin to go wrong.

Which is what the letter was trying to point out: This isn't a problem with games, it's a problem of parenting. But as anyone who has worked retail and talked to parents about ratings can tell you, it's an uphill battle. Many parents ignore your warnings about certain content, and others can become actively hostile. I worked retail selling games for years before I wrote about them, and it's very easy to get the "we need to talk to parents" impulse beaten out of you.

But it's hard to blame the parents as well. Many are dealing with long hours at one, maybe two jobs. If you're worried about keeping the lights on? Video games are the least of your concerns. Being able to pay attention to what your children are playing assumes the time and money it takes to gain that sort of knowledge while being available to watch them playing and see their reactions.

We're not talking about games; we're talking about parental involvement, and that's a much trickier issue. You're talking about minimum wage, and you're talking about regular work schedules. You're talking about maternity and paternity leave. You're discussing societal issues that won't be fixed with better adherence to game ratings. You're talking about changes you can't make with a letter shaming parents.

The teachers would have likely gotten the same response if they sent a letter home talking about a child's weight and their diet. Junk food is both cheap and fast; it's not always just a matter of making a better choice, as if that choice existed in a vacuum.

Until we fix the greater issues of parental involvement in ways that empower parents themselves, the symptoms, such as video games, will continue to be a problem.
 
To many of the dumbest parents live vicariously through their children. These are the parents who will push their way through Black Friday sales not for themselves, but for the Christmas present their kids will get. Then they can say their kid got the latest trendy widget for Christmas.

These days, the latest trendy electronic entertainment will probably include violent games. I have seen such a person by a young kid Grand Theft Auto 5. I didn't bother to say anything because it's basically to late because his mother is a moron. Even worse, I bet many parents like that see the Rated M and buy it without caring because then their kid will get something that kids of more restrictive parents did not get.
 
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And sadly, this won't stop parents from buying Watch Dogs for their kids and letting them enjoy virtual strip clubs. It's ridiculous how ignorant the world is to the problems is it is creating.
 
Too many people simply have kids without thinking it through. I've heard some awful things from people with the Kinect mic on. The parent is playing COD and screaming at the kids to shut up.

Parents just want to dump the kids in front of the TV to keep them quiet.
 
Received a similar letter from my sons school last week (Birmingham UK). Have to say I'm inclined to agree with the school, I know several of my friends have let their child play GTAV which I personally frown upon. I do think games like GTAV could desensitise children to violence and inappropriate sexual behaviour.
 
Yeah, I'm certainly not letting my kid have a GTA game- mine get racers and educational games, lol. There is plenty of time in the future for the Mature stuff. Bottom line is how much right do you have to tell someone how to raise their kids? And do you really have the correct answer? It is not automatically 'neglect' to let your kid play something like that. I like that the article is making the point that it is far more complex. Scapegoats are easy though.

Parents ideally know what their kids can and can't handle, and there are a lot of variables. For every one kid hyped up on GTA, there are a hundred who aren't. They are certainly more visible though.

Who's to really say what affects each kid in what way? It's so difficult to tell, and there are so many variables and unintended consequences whichever way you go. There are kids who grow up to be amazing people because of bad circumstances and up-bringing, and there are total s***-heads with the kindest parents in the world with the best intentions.

Ever wonder why there is such an issue with teen suicides and image issues when the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality has been so prevalent for well over a decade now? Shouldn't we all be socially happily and well adjusted with all the bend-over backward appeasement to every offense that goes on? No. And it's hard to say if it's worse or there is just more exposure, or maybe I'm older and see more clearly, but it feels like people are more discontent and divided than ever.

I think we all need a little desensitization and hardship; over-sensitivity is a cancer on the world, imo. We should just be careful on how we expose impressionable minds to it. What we need to do is stop acting like we know exactly how to handle everything, and let people find their way while trying to be the best examples we know how to be.

Forcing square pegs into round holes just damages the objects in play.
 
Very interesting topic.

If I ever do have kids, I probably would give them a nintendo console/handheld over anything else. They can play platformers and mario kart until they hit high school lol.
 
My nine year old is now playing through my copy of Final Fantasy 9. I let him watch me play KOTOR a few years back and Halo recently, and let him play Halo (campaign/singleplayer only) as long as he didn't put it on easy difficulty. I wouldn't let him play through FF 7 or 8 yet, though, because I know those games and I know him and he's not ready for those.
 
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My nine year old girl has played all of the halo campaigns with me. I've never understood why those were considered mature. I was watching Rambo when I was little, it is far worse. :). Having said that GTA is a resounding no for her.
What's sad is that I think schools have taken it way too far. We have been co oping Neverwinter together and I asked if she told her friends about how fun it is. She said no because of sword violence and she will get into trouble. So pathetic, when I was little we played soldier, knights, and Rambo right on the playground.
 
Couldn't agree more, way too much "absentee-parenting" going on these days, and they're all quick to blame anyone or anything but themselves for the problems it creates. I have a few teacher friends, and it seems to be mobile devices causing most of the problems, more than games specifically.

Parents actually texting their kids during class hours! What do you want for dinner? When will you be home? And they get angry at the teachers that try to take the phones away during class! Like this kind of sh1t can't wait.

I think they should ban them from schools outright. We survived human history up to just a few years ago when these devices became so commonplace. Now people act like taking them away is infringing on some basic human right.
 
Good letter probably correct for the most part but it is way easier to just blame videogames for the decline of society in general.
 
Yeah, I'm certainly not letting my kid have a GTA game- mine get racers and educational games, lol. There is plenty of time in the future for the Mature stuff. Bottom line is how much right do you have to tell someone how to raise their kids? And do you really have the correct answer? It is not automatically 'neglect' to let your kid play something like that. I like that the article is making the point that it is far more complex. Scapegoats are easy though.

I think teachers have a social responsibility to air their concerns over a child's attitude, theories, and behaviour. It isn't so much telling people how to raise their children, it is more about making them aware of the negative effect mature content can have on younger impressionable minds.

Parents ideally know what their kids can and can't handle, and there are a lot of variables. For every one kid hyped up on GTA, there are a hundred who aren't. They are certainly more visible though.

Who's to really say what affects each kid in what way? It's so difficult to tell, and there are so many variables and unintended consequences whichever way you go. There are kids who grow up to be amazing people because of bad circumstances and up-bringing, and there are total s***-heads with the kindest parents in the world with the best intentions.

That is the point the letter is trying to make. It isn't saying that this content will make your child a psychotic serial killer terrorist. It is asking for parents to be more vigilante and aware of what their children are playing, reading, viewing, and watching, and assessing their reaction to it.

Ever wonder why there is such an issue with teen suicides and image issues when the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality has been so prevalent for well over a decade now? Shouldn't we all be socially happily and well adjusted with all the bend-over backward appeasement to every offense that goes on? No. And it's hard to say if it's worse or there is just more exposure, or maybe I'm older and see more clearly, but it feels like people are more discontent and divided than ever.
The "everybody gets a trophy" mentality is such a stupid idea.

I think we all need a little desensitization and hardship; over-sensitivity is a cancer on the world, imo. We should just be careful on how we expose impressionable minds to it. What we need to do is stop acting like we know exactly how to handle everything, and let people find their way while trying to be the best examples we know how to be.

Forcing square pegs into round holes just damages the objects in play.

Again, that is the point the letter is trying to make. It is telling parents that they need to be present and aware of what their children are doing in order to be able to help them understand the content and how it works in the real world.
 
Just from having Facebook I can see parents are getting dumber and dumber.