What is frame rate in gaming?

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VaLLiancE said:
Oh in this forum they do.
And Its 500 lines not 180 the better answer is over 33% pixel difference(might be 40)
Sugar coating it by using terms like the one you used doesn't change this.
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well 33% increase sure doesn't add up to much then based on the comparisons and what I've seen on xb1.

Ps4 needs a 33% decrease to locked that fps down.
 
VaLLiancE said:
You conveniently missed me promoting the version I own :laugh:
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I know which one you own, which makes it even crazier that you care so much about the peasant version, but that's the sony fan coming out in true form that you can't control.
 
de3d1 said:
well 33% increase sure doesn't add up to much then based on the comparisons and what I've seen on xb1.

Ps4 needs a 33% decrease to locked that fps down.
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I bet the PS4 version gets patched to tighten up its FPS and still offer 1080p visuals.
Oh and are we forgetting the XBO version goes below 30fps as well of course we are :laugh:
 
VaLLiancE said:
I bet the PS4 version gets patched to tighten up its FPS and still offer 1080p visuals.
Oh and are we forgetting the XBO version goes below 30fps as well of course we are :laugh:
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"Your betting"

Great.

I don't own the XB1 version, I don't care, but if I like the controller more I would have gotten it. That's how petty the difference was.

Man, this gen started out so good for you, games were getting 2x the fps and higher resolutions on ps4, all that went away, now its down to controller :(
 
de3d1 said:
"Your betting"

Great.

I don't own the XB1 version, I don't care, but if I like the controller more I would have gotten it. That's how petty the difference was.

Man, this gen started out so good for you, games were getting 2x the fps and higher resolutions on ps4, all that went away, now its down to controller :(
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As the pics I posted show its not petty.
PS4 games are still putting out the better versions and this is how it will be the majority of this gen get used to it.
 
Qbert said:
Both images were compressed, even the PC image. That still doesn't change the fact that you went on some tangent claiming that the file sizes should be near the same, when I proved you wrong. You still won't own up to the fact that you were wrong about differing file sizes between different games.

no, blur and contrast does not affect file size. Blur is a RESULT of a file size being made smaller and then enlarged more, because it results in a distortion of the image.
Also, ALL images if not taken in the most raw format is going to have some image degradation. What would have been deceptive would have been if I used compressed TR images from console and matched up against high quality PC images, which I did NOT. You can cry all you want about the bad tr ps4 images, but the Pc image was bad as well. NONE of that takes anything away from that conversation. Had you followed the convo, Val claimed the ps4 version looked better. It does not. Whether or not those images were of poor quality is irrelevant. It showed the difference. Eurogames better quality images also show the difference. They even said in their analysis that the PC version was better.
Going on and on endlessly about how those images was somehow purposively doctored doesn't change the truth. And for the record, many sites reduce the file size for storage purposes and to make images load quicker, both both were degraded, not just one. It's not done to be deceptive. The sites don't have an agenda.
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Ok. I'll agree to that.

1.23MB - original
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594KB - simulated Mortal Kombat Depth of Field, aka the Big Blur
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1.41MB - enhanced contrast
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891KB - Monochrome
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VaLLiancE said:
IYO they matter to many though.
Who said the PC gap wasn't bigger?
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In several games, you've claimed in the past that Ps4 wasn't that far away from PC. Bf4 is an example, and there are others.

And guess what, in some regards, when limited to just 1080p, I agree. That's visuals only, not talking about performance.
So there, I agree with you.

The problem is when you claim marginal differences between PC and ps4, yet claim significant differences between ps4 and xb1.
To the naked eye, the differences between ps4 and xb1 are not significant. And certainly less significant than console to PC. Why you accuse xb fans of selective vision when you do the same thing, is beyond me.
 
Kassen said:
Ok. I'll agree to that.

1.23MB - original
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594KB - simulated Mortal Kombat Depth of Field, aka the Big Blur
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1.41MB - enhanced contrast
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891KB - Monochrome
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Those sites aren't using a blur filter, lol. I'm talking about blur resulting from enlarging a photo that was shrunk down to save on file space, not using filters. These sites aren't using blur filters to make an image look worse.

God, I hope that's not what you're alluding to.
 
Qbert said:
In several games, you've claimed in the past that Ps4 wasn't that far away from PC. Bf4 is an example, and there are others.

And guess what, in some regards, when limited to just 1080p, I agree. That's visuals only, not talking about performance.
So there, I agree with you.

The problem is when you claim marginal differences between PC and ps4, yet claim significant differences between ps4 and xb1.
To the naked eye, the differences between ps4 and xb1 are not significant. And certainly less significant than console to PC. Why you accuse xb fans of selective vision when you do the same thing, is beyond me.
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I am not repeating over and over what I said.
If you can't read through my posts before posting and making me repeat over and over what I am saying then quit wasting my time.
 
Guys,

Can we get back on topic? W3 is a recent game and this is a frame rate thread.

How about we chat about how X1's W3 plays smooth at 30 fps and PS4's can bog down to 20 fps?
 
VaLLiancE said:
I care about BS posts which a certain side do often
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How do you know that their opinion is BS?

I can see and appreciate correcting facts, like when I mis-spoke about the lines of resolution. But to judge someone elses personal opinion is futile .
 
Dno69 said:
How do you know that their opinion is BS?

I can see and appreciate correcting facts, like when I mis-spoke about the lines of resolution. But to judge someone elses personal opinion is futile .
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To say the differences aren't noticeable/significant is to lie or spin.

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VaLLiancE said:
I don't care about either version but the spinning is ridiculous
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Are you really saying you don't care? I can't believe you would even say that. Take a look at any Witcher 3 thread, you post as much as anyone else regarding console differences, yet you don't even own the console version. Nice try and spin away.

VaLLiancE said:
As the pics I posted show its not petty.
PS4 games are still putting out the better versions and this is how it will be the majority of this gen get used to it.
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Looks really petty in the pics, you need to have them zoomed in just to see a real difference, I don't play games with binoculars on. lol
 
VaLLiancE said:
To say the differences aren't noticeable/significant is to lie or spin.

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It's about as significant as most multplayer games. And still depends on the individual as to how significant the resolution difference is.

Also playing both versions , which I have vs. inspecting both in side by side zoomed in pics is a different experience .

For the record I and everyone else can see that one is blurrier.
 
You guys need to keep this thread on topic and stop goading each other, or I'm going to take it into the woods and shoot it like a rabid mutt.
 
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Intellivision said:
Guys,

Can we get back on topic? W3 is a recent game and this is a frame rate thread.

How about we chat about how X1's W3 plays smooth at 30 fps and PS4's can bog down to 20 fps?
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This has been a strange generation. PS4 games look better but X1 versions usually perform better. I think if given the choice, most people would go with performance over looks. Then you look at the sales numbers and the PS4 is owning the sales. It just doesn't add up.
 
Qbert said:
Those sites aren't using a blur filter, lol. I'm talking about blur resulting from enlarging a photo that was shrunk down to save on file space, not using filters. These sites aren't using blur filters to make an image look worse.

God, I hope that's not what you're alluding to.
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"no, blur and contrast does not affect file size."

:/
 
Kassen said:
"no, blur and contrast does not affect file size."

:/
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We're talking about the natural blur resulting from altering file size...NOT using blur filters.
In context, we're talking about those game captures and how some things are blurry for ps4.

Good god. Are you suggesting they used a blur filter? You're the one making the claim they doctored the images, so, do you believe that?


What's funny, is that the website where I got the images from, have images...that look on par to Val's images, so go right on ahead and keep telling yourself they were "doctored". AND, to add insult to injury, that website's images are about the same size as Vals. So yeah, keep lying to yourself that the site intentional doctored images to deceive everyone. I posted several in that other thread, but you decided to deceptively just cling to the one with fire and smoke, and claim...."but, but, the blur, and the file size, it's OBVIOUS they were "doctored".

Val's:

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That website:
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Val's image:
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That website:
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I wonder what the new lie is going to be to throw at me.
Let's see what's already been said:
1. I doctored images. No I didn't, so....
2. I used doctored images. No, I kinda just proved it with the above:
3. They're doctored because the sizes are different (WTF?). No, I proved that games have different file sizes.


Let's see the new lie, or the new spot that the goal post will be moved to.
 
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Qbert said:
We're talking about the natural blur resulting from altering file size...NOT using blur filters.
In context, we're talking about those game captures and how some things are blurry for ps4.

Good god. Are you suggesting they used a blur filter? You're the one making the claim they doctored the images, so, do you believe that?
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Yeah, you meant "natural contrast" too, right? Or the "natural blur" in your MKX image? Or your other posted examples from BF4, BlaOps2, and Middle-Earth?

Comparing a 140KB TR pic to a 331KB TR pic. And your reason is because your blurred MKX pic is a smaller file than your crisp Middle-Earth pic. Are you defending this reasoning because you really enjoy using blurry console pics to compare to crisp 1.5MB BF4 PC shots?
 
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