Which 4K HDR TV are you planning to buy for Scorpio or One s?

Comparing a ISF calibrated high end screen where they use professional machines to calibrate the TV to tweaking basic settings accessible to the consumer is like saying Youtube HD or 4K is as good as Blu Ray or Ultra HD Blu Ray.
 
Comparing a ISF calibrated high end screen where they use professional machines to calibrate the TV to tweaking basic settings accessible to the consumer is like saying Youtube HD or 4K is as good as Blu Ray or Ultra HD Blu Ray.
I guess you’re looking to justify paying a fee to access the advance settings of your TV?
 
I guess you’re looking to justify paying a fee to access the advance settings of your TV?

I have a friend in the business and he brings over his equipment and does it for free for me, so I don't know what you think I am trying to justify? And if you think it's just "accessing the advanced settings of the TV" well, then you are severely ignorant to the fact just as I expected.
 
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I have a friend in the business and he brings over his equipment and does it for free for me, so I don't know what you think I am trying to justify? And if you think it's just "accessing the advanced settings of the TV" well, then you are severely ignorant to the fact just as I expected.
So you have an extrem bias at play, as I suspected. I thought it was justification for spending money. It turns out it’s justification for a close friend’s business.

Professionals have the same access to settings that the public does for their tv. The only thing professionals have are measuring equipment that can tweak sets on a imperceivable level. There’s no reason to get a home TV set professionally calibrated with the wealth of information available.
 
So you have an extrem bias at play, as I suspected. I thought it was justification for spending money. It turns out it’s justification for a close friend’s business.

Professionals have the same access to settings that the public does for their tv. The only thing professionals have are measuring equipment that can tweak sets on a imperceivable level. There’s no reason to get a home TV set professionally calibrated with the wealth of information available.

Na, you're wrong sir, but you've got 1 more strike until you have to go back to the bench.

Ya it's not worth getting "TCL" TV's calibrated seeing as they are low end. I said high end TV's, not Walmart specials.
 
Na, you're wrong sir, but you've got 1 more strike until you have to go back to the bench.

Ya it's not worth getting "TCL" TV's calibrated seeing as they are low end. I said high end TV's, not Walmart specials.
Except I’m not talking about my tv. I’m talking about OLED, my friends TV. But continue to fail at supporting your very antiquated belief that people should get their TVs calibrated. Unless you’re completely inept, you can get professional level calibration using a widely used starting point and tweaking for your room conditions and very slight variances in panel production.

As I said, you’re loooking to justify a nearly worthless profession for consumer use.
 
Except I’m not talking about my tv. I’m talking about OLED, my friends TV. But continue to fail at supporting your very antiquated belief that people should get their TVs calibrated. Unless you’re completely inept, you can get professional level calibration using a widely used starting point and tweaking for your room conditions and very slight variances in panel production.

As I said, you’re loooking to justify a nearly worthless profession for consumer use.

So you have no high end TV and have never had your TV professionally calibrated by a ISF certified tech ? Alrighty then. That's what I thought. I have no skin in this game other than me seeing a difference. However I am one of those guys that can tell the difference between 900p and native 1080p and feel and see the difference between 30-60+ FPS and that the world is round......
 
Na, you're wrong sir, but you've got 1 more strike until you have to go back to the bench.

Ya it's not worth getting "TCL" TV's calibrated seeing as they are low end. I said high end TV's, not Walmart specials.
The TCL's are better performing then the LG LCD's you have.
 
The TCL's are better performing then the LG LCD's you have.

Ya the LG I got was literaly the first 4K Dolby Vision TV out on the market and I got it 2 years ago. It's tough being an early adopter i guess. It'll get replaced in few years by something nice. Now almost every Walmart TV is 4K HDR.
 
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Just read an article that those TV shootouts OLEDs consistently win are generally done in theater conditions (a dark room)? If true it would seem those tests are basically rigged to the strengths of those sets.
 
So you have no high end TV and have never had your TV professionally calibrated by a ISF certified tech ? Alrighty then. That's what I thought. I have no skin in this game other than me seeing a difference. However I am one of those guys that can tell the difference between 900p and native 1080p and feel and see the difference between 30-60+ FPS and that the world is round......
Reading is fundamental. I’ll try to make it really simple. Friend has OLED. We calibrated it. Looked good. He wanted to get it professionally done since it’s all the rage. Professionally calibrated it. Imperceptible difference. Professionally calibrating consumer sets is absolutely worthless and has been for a long while.
 
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Ya the LG I got was literaly the first 4K Dolby Vision TV out on the market and I got it 2 years ago. It's tough being an early adopter i guess. It'll get replaced in few years by something nice. Now almost every Walmart TV is 4K HDR.
Ok but they still 2 years later make worse LCD sets then TCL/Vizio/Hisense.
IF Picture quality is what you care about.
 
I have a friend in the business and he brings over his equipment and does it for free for me, so I don't know what you think I am trying to justify? And if you think it's just "accessing the advanced settings of the TV" well, then you are severely ignorant to the fact just as I expected.

Open heart surgery is just tweaking advanced settings of the circulatory system.
 
Just read an article that those TV shootouts OLEDs consistently win are generally done in theater conditions (a dark room)? If true it would seem those tests are basically rigged to the strengths of those sets.
Categories like color accuracy, motion, uniformity, video processing, gaming lag, etc. doesn't change whether you watch the TV in a bright or dark room. The OLED TVs still dominated in those categories. And in the highly publicized HDTVTest 2017 shoot out, they also had a bright room category in which there were 2 sub-categories: light output (winner: LG B7 OLED) and anti-reflection filter (winner: Samsung Q9). So the rigging argument is moot. With their highly touted light output, the LED-lit LCDs should have won the HDR category but they didn't.
 
Spent the weekend doing alot of research and ive decided to buy a 65 inch Sony XBR900E next month.
I considered LG, Samsung and Vizio but the rave reviews of the Sony 900 have won the day.
 
Itching to buy a 4k/HDr tv this year, but waiting for the new batch with HDMI 2.1.

Isn't X1X's freesync variable refresh rate thing dependent on a TV with HDMI 2.1?
 
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It will be a long time before a console has the power to get the most out of HDMI 2.1.....

That doesn't make sense. Theoretically, if consoles were more powerful, wouldn't that eliminate the need for HDMI 2.1? If games were all locked at 60fps, there would be less need for it. My understanding is that HDMI 2.1 eliminates the screen tearing and other issues when systems can't keep up with the demands of the game. That a game could theoretically run at 45 FPS or at any frame rate and not just 30 and 60.
 
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That doesn't make sense. Theoretically, if consoles were more powerful, wouldn't that eliminate the need for HDMI 2.1? If games were all locked at 60fps, there would be less need for it. My understanding is that HDMI 2.1 eliminates the screen tearing and other issues when systems can't keep up with the demands of the game. That a game could theoretically run at 45 FPS or at any frame rate and not just 30 and 60.
The main features of HDMI 2.1 are 4K at HIGHER than 60hz(up to 120) 444 chroma 4k with 10/12 bit color.
No console nor most PC's have the muscle to run all of the above.
 
https://sapphirenation.net/what-will-hdmi-2-1-mean-for-pc-gaming/

Even so, 4K gaming over HDMI 2.0 often suffers from motion blur and lag.

There’s more to HDMI 2.1 than HDR, however. A FreeSync-style Game Mode VRR feature for PCs and consoles promises a Variable Refresh Rate, enabling a GPU to “display the image at the moment it is rendered for more fluid and better detailed gameplay.” In real terms, this means a reduction in lag and frame tearing, both of which can torpedo any sense of immersion.
 
HDMI Specification 2.1 is the most recent update of the HDMI specification featuring advanced features for the HDMI eco-system. It supports a range of Higher Video Resolutions and refresh rates including 8K60 and 4K120, Dynamic HDR, and increased bandwidth with a new 48G cable. Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification is backward compatible with earlier versions of the Specification.

HDMI Specification 2.1 Feature Highlights Include:

  • Higher Video Resolutions support a range of higher resolutions and faster refresh rates including 8K60Hz and 4K120Hz for immersive viewing and smooth fast-action detail.
  • Dynamic HDR ensures every moment of a video is displayed at its ideal values for depth, detail, brightness, contrast, and wider color gamuts—on a scene-by-scene or even a frame-by-frame basis.
  • 48G cables enable up to 48Gbps bandwidth for uncompressed HDMI 2.1 feature support including 8K video with HDR. The cable is backwards compatible with earlier versions of the HDMI Specification and can be used with existing HDMI devices.
  • eARC supports the most advanced audio formats such as object-based audio, and enables advanced audio signal control capabilities including device auto-detect.
  • Game Mode VRR features variable refresh rate, which enables a 3D graphics processor to display the image at the moment it is rendered for more fluid and better detailed gameplay, and for reducing or eliminating lag, stutter, and frame tearing.
The new specification will be available to all HDMI 2.0 Adopters and they will be notified when it is released early in Q2 2017.