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I disagree. The story was stagnating under Bungie, and they bailed. Now it's moving forward again.
They get a bad rap. I'm not knocking them too hard. They are just getting their feet wet, in the scheme of things.

I'd really like it If they tried a Halo game with a different genere. That would really break things up a bit.
 
Yeah, notice that Halo runs much better since they left. The same cannot be said for the writing, it seems.

The campaigns haven't been too great but now that they have figured things out on the MP side hopefully they can do the same with the campaign
 
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-2 separate 'sources' now claiming $399 for Scorpio.

-Also hearing PS4 Slim Pro for *possibly* $299.

-D2 possibly dynamic 900/60-1080/60 on X1, 4K/60 on Scorpio.

All rumors, as usual. These are flimsy, but feel free to fight amongst yourselves!
 
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That would put Scorpio over £400 in the U.K if true about the price......

As for the D2 talk. I couldn't care less. It looks awful and by all accounts features no new race/class and literally looks like DLC.

Rollins I need you provide some new iP news please.....
 
Wow.. That wil be 124904.004 (KZT) in Kazakhstan Tenge !!
Finally! Someone delivering the facts in usable format!

On a side note, I really like the look of those dev kits. I wouldn't complain about putting one of them in my entertainment unit. I like that there are no visible ports on the front either.
 
Finally! Someone delivering the facts in usable format!

On a side note, I really like the look of those dev kits. I wouldn't complain about putting one of them in my entertainment unit. I like that there are no visible ports on the front either.

Personally I'd love it if it had no ports on the front, back, sides or top and bottom
 
As far as the 30fps in Destiny 2, I think the problem here is that Bungie is simply using an outdated engine based around last gen. Nobody wants to admit it, but it was an engine entirely built around Xbox 360/PS3, even came with several admitted limitations based off of that. Then we move to Destiny 2, which simply looks like Destiny 1 moved to Very High settings, better AA, textures, DoF, improved lighting, etc etc (a Destiny 1.5 expansion if you will)... besides that it looks like a lot of recycling going on and seems very doubtable that they've even had a chance to overhaul their engine.

I would say maybe they've been too busy building up content, but we have journalists talking about playing content they've shown for Destiny 2, but several years ago.. content that was even originally shown and then cut from Destiny 1, lol. Maybe they're just playing the tight budget/playing it safe.
 
As far as the 30fps in Destiny 2, I think the problem here is that Bungie is simply using an outdated engine based around last gen. Nobody wants to admit it, but it was an engine entirely built around Xbox 360/PS3, even came with several admitted limitations based off of that. Then we move to Destiny 2, which simply looks like Destiny 1 moved to Very High settings, better AA, textures, DoF, improved lighting, etc etc (a Destiny 1.5 expansion if you will)... besides that it looks like a lot of recycling going on and seems very doubtable that they've even had a chance to overhaul their engine.

I would say maybe they've been too busy building up content, but we have journalists talking about playing content they've shown for Destiny 2, but several years ago.. content that was even originally shown and then cut from Destiny 1, lol. Maybe they're just playing the tight budget/playing it safe.

Well Des Tiny is between two worlds, its fps sure, but its somewhat open world, we dont see too many 60fps open world games.

But The Phantom Pain did it and looks about as next gen as Des Tiny 1. Battlefields Maps are also quite big.

We really need to look at Des Tiny 1. Does anyone think that there isnt enough overhead on a 6TF machine to run a game at 60fps that runs at a solid 30fps on a 240 GFLOP machine?

I dont think so. So the next question is how big a leap is Des Tiny 2 over 1.
 
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$399 for Scorpio is a b****in deal.

If true Microsoft learned and learned well.
Lower the better.... fuk..... Here's typical system and game pricing in Canada now:

5 years ago
System $400 US = $400 CDN
Game $60 US = $60 CDN

Currency Exchange BS Now
System $400 US= $500 CDN (that's what PS4 Pro pricing is)
Game $60 US = $80 CDN

Games are standard $80, deluxe edition $100, super deluxe edition $130.
 
-2 separate 'sources' now claiming $399 for Scorpio.

-Also hearing PS4 Slim Pro for *possibly* $299.

-D2 possibly dynamic 900/60-1080/60 on X1, 4K/60 on Scorpio.

All rumors, as usual. These are flimsy, but feel free to fight amongst yourselves!
It better be $399....MS would blow an opportunity to pick up ground if it's higher IMO.

Dubious on the PS4 Slim Pro....I could see them reducing to $349 with PS4 Slim reducing to $249....but I can't see them "slimerizing" the Pro this soon.

D2 - I find any advantage they could realistically put in place for Scorpio is mooted by the marketing deal with Sony. I couldn't see Sony being happy if they did something different/better for Scorpio.

So, hoping the first one is spot on but the others, I don't see happening.
 
It better be $399....MS would blow an opportunity to pick up ground if it's higher IMO.

Dubious on the PS4 Slim Pro....I could see them reducing to $349 with PS4 Slim reducing to $249....but I can't see them "slimerizing" the Pro this soon.

D2 - I find any advantage they could realistically put in place for Scorpio is mooted by the marketing deal with Sony. I couldn't see Sony being happy if they did something different/better for Scorpio.

So, hoping the first one is spot on but the others, I don't see happening.

It's a marketing deal, not a development deal. Any lack of support in upgrades will be to save time/money. Framerates will be for online consistency. Hopefully the framerate issue will result in all the PC goodies.
 
It's a marketing deal, not a development deal. Any lack of support in upgrades will be to save time/money. Framerates will be for online consistency. Hopefully the framerate issue will result in all the PC goodies.
Yup. Look at the Division for example. That was an Xbox marketing exclusive and that didn't stop the PS from having better graphics and better performance. It's a marketing agreement, not a make our game look better than their game agreement. If that was the case, every game on PC would look worse than the console game.
 
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Yup. Look at the Division for example. That was an Xbox marketing exclusive and that didn't stop the PS from having better graphics and better performance. It's a marketing agreement, not a make our game look better than their game agreement. If that was the case, every game on PC would look worse than the console game.
Some people just look at the world like the everyone/everthing is trying to screw/opress them.
 
I could see the Xbox Karen/Scorpio being 399...but come black Friday n winter holidays it'll be "349 for a limited time" with your choice of a free game from a small selection, like forza, red dead or destiny
 
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So Destiny 2 locked at 30fps on Scorpio huh. Hate to say it, but that's what i was saying all along. Devs aren't going to cater to Microsoft when Sony is market leader. Hope things change but i just don't see it.

If all the big games are held back by a parity clause, marketing deals, and old ass hardware that still needs to be supported what's the point? This thing better be $399 because all it's going to be is what the Xbox One should have been apparently.
 
So Destiny 2 locked at 30fps on Scorpio huh. Hate to say it, but that's what i was saying all along. Devs aren't going to cater to Microsoft when Sony is market leader. Hope things change but i just don't see it.

If all the big games are held back by a parity clause, marketing deals, and old ass hardware that still needs to be supported what's the point? This thing better be $399 because all it's going to be is what the Xbox One should have been apparently.

This is just an example of a developer being lazy. With that being said it's not like Bungee has had a lot of time with Scorpio to see what they can do with it.
 
So Destiny 2 locked at 30fps on Scorpio huh. Hate to say it, but that's what i was saying all along. Devs aren't going to cater to Microsoft when Sony is market leader. Hope things change but i just don't see it.

If all the big games are held back by a parity clause, marketing deals, and old ass hardware that still needs to be supported what's the point? This thing better be $399 because all it's going to be is what the Xbox One should have been apparently.
This is just an example of a developer being lazy. With that being said it's not like Bungee has had a lot of time with Scorpio to see what they can do with it.
Was no one listening when Spencer said that Scorpio would mimic Xbox One's framerates for community consistency? This is not news. Has nothing to do with sony being the market leader.
 
So Destiny 2 locked at 30fps on Scorpio huh. Hate to say it, but that's what i was saying all along. Devs aren't going to cater to Microsoft when Sony is market leader. Hope things change but i just don't see it.

If all the big games are held back by a parity clause, marketing deals, and old ass hardware that still needs to be supported what's the point? This thing better be $399 because all it's going to be is what the Xbox One should have been apparently.

Xbox One I believe is about 8 times more powerful than the 360. Scorpio is about 4.5 times more powerful than Xbox One. Based on your logic Xbox One should have been 32 times more powerful than 360 while PS4 is 10 times more powerful than PS3. That makes a lot sense. Not really .
 
Xbox One I believe is about 8 times more powerful than the 360. Scorpio is about 4.5 times more powerful than Xbox One. Based on your logic Xbox One should have been 32 times more powerful than 360 while PS4 is 10 times more powerful than PS3. That makes a lot sense. Not really .

Try not to get offended when you read my posts. I know you guys think i'm the Xbox fan in sheep's clothing who is really a PlayStation fan but let's pump the brakes. I said what was going to happen, and it's happening.

Not sure we can use the lazy developers excuse either since PS3 fans got blasted for that last gen. I guess we've really come full circle. Who knows though, i want to be wrong. I want Scorpio to blow the socks off the industry and for games to benefit from the hardware. I'll be waiting patiently.
 
Was no one listening when Spencer said that Scorpio would mimic Xbox One's framerates for community consistency? This is not news. Has nothing to do with sony being the market leader.
Mimic? Like that interpol...whatever that tech is called?
Where they hide the frames?
 
Try not to get offended when you read my posts. I know you guys think i'm the Xbox fan in sheep's clothing who is really a PlayStation fan but let's pump the brakes. I said what was going to happen, and it's happening.

Not sure we can use the lazy developers excuse either since PS3 fans got blasted for that last gen. I guess we've really come full circle. Who knows though, i want to be wrong. I want Scorpio to blow the socks off the industry and for games to benefit from the hardware. I'll be waiting patiently.

Step up your game. Already debunked 2 days ago. Nothing to see here.

 
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