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Since we're essentially getting the same UHD player in x1x this is relevant for those still on the OG xbox one


http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/1...sole-and-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player-what-else






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https://www.cnet.com/news/4k-blu-ray-player-shootout-xbox-one-s-vs-samsung-vs-sony-vs-oppo/







I'm also combing through AVS now, nowhere near what I was expect, mostly impressed since the updates. Will have a full report later.
I've had Zero issues with my One S's Player.
 
I've had Zero issues with my One S's Player.

How often do you use it? not asking because of quality just about how happy are you with the current movie selection? I think I can count the number of times I've used my UHD player since I got it in December on one hand lol.
 
How often do you use it? not asking because of quality just about how happy are you with the current movie selection? I think I can count the number of times I've used my UHD player since I got it in December on one hand lol.
Unfortunately not all that much. I only have two movies! I may end up getting more now that my Internet situation has degraded so much, though. Honestly, I could live without it, but it is nice for those times I want to be blown away by a 4k movie.
 
Unfortunately not all that much. I only have two movies! I may end up getting more now that my Internet situation has degraded so much, though. Honestly, I could live without it, but it is nice for those times I want to be blown away by a 4k movie.

Yeah I only have a couple as well, Kong Skull Island is coming next month and the 1080p stream on PSN looked awesome so I can't wait to see what difference 4K and HDR make. It really feels like a hollow platform right now overall though, most of the movies available aren't things I would want to buy, especially with Disney not supporting it currently.
 
Okay, what happened in here while i was away this weekend. Nothing much, i take it? The beast still coming on 11-7-17? That's what i thought.
 
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^ I reckon that really a conservative estimate ^ it totally depends on the PS5 and how different the tech in that is to the Xbox X as the price of the One X will only come down with time
 
Probably a bad time to point out that they originally predicted X1 to sell 100 million by 2020
 


It's not meant to be a mass market product or at least it won't be for a while so those numbers aren't bad at all IMO. That's going to be the thing a lot of us have to get used to, since it's not a true new generation there is little incentive for someone who's not in the core group to spend $500 on a One X when they can play all of the same games on the One S for a lot less. Look at it this way, if the One S is in the mid 30 million range in just over 3.5 years a refresh console starting at $499 doing about 40% of that in roughly the same timeframe is pretty good.
 
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It's not meant to be a mass market product or at least it won't be for a while so those numbers aren't bad IMO. That's going to be the thing a lot of us have to get used to, since it's not a true new generation there is little incentive for someone who's not in the core group to spend $500 on a One X when they can play all of the same games on the One S for a lot less.
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It's not meant to be a mass market product or at least it won't be for a while so those numbers aren't bad at all IMO. That's going to be the thing a lot of us have to get used to, since it's not a true new generation there is little incentive for someone who's not in the core group to spend $500 on a One X when they can play all of the same games on the One S for a lot less. Look at it this way, if the One S is in the mid 30 million range in just over 3.5 years a refresh console starting at $499 doing about 40% of that in roughly the same timeframe is pretty good.

I think it'll be mass market priced in 2019. It's only 500 while there's no significant talk of PS5 and yields are low. It'll be 400 by Black Friday 2018 and potentially 300 by Black Friday 2019.
 
I think it'll be mass market priced in 2019. It's only 500 while there's no significant talk of PS5 and yields are low. It'll be 400 by Black Friday 2018 and potentially 300 by Black Friday 2019.

It's not really about it competing with PS4 or Pro, the One S is still going to be the machine most people buy if they want to play xbox games. The games are all the same and it'll always be the much cheaper option. This late in the generation is when you generally start seeing people buy in as the prices drop you don't see many enthusiasts waiting around until 4 years in. This isn't supposed to be something that everyone buys, I'm sure MS would rather more people buy the One S simply because they probably make some profit on those boxes vs breaking even at best with the One X.

I don't think pricing is going to drop that fast for this machine either, RAM isn't dropping in price that quickly and the One X has more in it than any other console, it also has a UHD drive and an extra HDMI port, those little things start to add up plus we don't know what extra cost the cooling system adds or how long it'll be before they can go with something less expensive. It's totally worth $500 and the market they are targeting will pay for it, it's just not meant to be a replacement console but something higher end to go alongside the X1s, if it sells 17 million in 4 years is a pretty good number being that it's not the only console they'll have on the market and that it'll never be the cheaper option.
 
doesn't make sense.

if Xbox one is at 30mil and oneX sells 17mil that's 47mil. Take that off 63million and its 16mil for oneS. OneS will out sell oneX due to price alone.

Yeah that total number doesn't seem realistic when you break it down like that, I still think the 17 million sounds fine compared to what the basic console has done so far but as you point out that would mean the majority of consoles sold between now and then will be One X and that doesn't seem realistic, at least not until it gets down to $299 and more people have 4K TV's.
 
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If i was Microsoft i'd let Sony release the PS5 in 2019 and keep pushing the Xbox One X with a big price cut. Then drop Xbox Two in 2020. There's nothing they can really do to beat Sony at this point. If they launch Xbox Two alongside PS5 they'll either have the underpowered console again or at best it will be on par and Sony will still probably outsell them.

That's why i think in part, the One X was a bad idea. I would have just waited until 2019 to release a 10 tflop beast or whatever. They were already getting beat, what's another 2 years, then get a fresh start. Now they're in a tough spot for next gen in my opinion, but as long as they stay profitable i don't think they really care.
 
That's why i think in part, the One X was a bad idea. I would have just waited until 2019 to release a 10 tflop beast or whatever. They were already getting beat, what's another 2 years, then get a fresh start. Now they're in a tough spot for next gen in my opinion, but as long as they stay profitable i don't think they really care.

As said before, MS isn't doing generations any more. They want you to be able to play the games you are playing now, 10 years from now if you want. They'll just be upgrades every 4 years or so, but you don't have to upgrade to play the newest game.
Why not refresh now? It's a big jump from the X1, and it seems to be helping the momentum the X1S started. The Xbox brand in general needed a shot in the arm. I think waiting 2 more years would have been a big problem.
Sony is sticking with generations, and I'm really curious to see what they'll do about BC. As far as I understand, their OS makes it more difficult to do..? Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, on an unrelated note, I hadn't seen this before:

 
If i was Microsoft i'd let Sony release the PS5 in 2019 and keep pushing the Xbox One X with a big price cut. Then drop Xbox Two in 2020. There's nothing they can really do to beat Sony at this point. If they launch Xbox Two alongside PS5 they'll either have the underpowered console again or at best it will be on par and Sony will still probably outsell them.

That's why i think in part, the One X was a bad idea. I would have just waited until 2019 to release a 10 tflop beast or whatever. They were already getting beat, what's another 2 years, then get a fresh start. Now they're in a tough spot for next gen in my opinion, but as long as they stay profitable i don't think they really care.

Xbox was always the more powerful console compared to PS until Don Mattrick took the reins. The only reason XB1 was underpowered was because they forced Kinect into the box.
A lot has changed since then.
Don Mattrick is gone and once again Xbox has the more powerful console. I fully expect Xbox to continue to have the better Hardware, Sony to continue to have the more varied 1st Party Story driven games while MS continues to have the Superior Multiplayer experiences. Phil Spencer knows that MS's 1st Party is lagging behind and has stated they are working to correct this. I fully expect that the XB-Two will just be an extension to the XB1X like XB1X is to XB1. Games will probably drop support for the XB1 but continue to support XB1X as the new standard for minimum requirements. Your whole XB1 library will move with you and should all look and play better on XB2. This in theory should mean Xbox already has an installed base for Next gen with the XB1X while the XB2 becomes the Console for Early adopters and PS5 starts from scratch.
 
As said before, MS isn't doing generations any more. They want you to be able to play the games you are playing now, 10 years from now if you want. They'll just be upgrades every 4 years or so, but you don't have to upgrade to play the newest game.
Why not refresh now? It's a big jump from the X1, and it seems to be helping the momentum the X1S started. The Xbox brand in general needed a shot in the arm. I think waiting 2 more years would have been a big problem.
Sony is sticking with generations, and I'm really curious to see what they'll do about BC. As far as I understand, their OS makes it more difficult to do..? Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, on an unrelated note, I hadn't seen this before:



I don't think it has anything to do with Sony's software but more that working on the cell was so specialized that it would be nearly impossible or at the very least not worth the investment to get the games going from the cell to a jaguar with 100% stability, also not sure if switching from an Nvidia GPU to AMD causes problems either. I don't think BC will be a problem for games from this gen going forward but we'll have to see.

I agree on the refresh thing, yeah the timing doesn't like up and neither console is a "true 4K" machine but they are at least giving people with 4K TV's an option to have something that does offer a visible improvement over the base consoles. I don't think the tech that would be worthy of the term "next gen" is going to be available at a console friendly price point or form factor for a long time to come so I'd be shocked if we didn't see at least one more refresh from both Sony and MS before that happens.
 
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