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Some OTHER guy that posts there, so of course it's true.
The 'official' Insider had a few tidbits today (I made bullet points to simplify):
- stay tuned for more game announcement. .. epic is multi platform.. but unreal 4 is made for x1. Patch talk from ms very soon
-(COD) Old engine no time.. true next gen engine coming....Ghost old engine not worth the recourse. Better engine all ready coming.I have heard that cod ghost is not adapted enough to the new hardware and api. It just had major problems with two hardware pass at 1080p native. The main problem is old engine... ps4 old hardware approach is working better out the door. Frostbite 3 is way more adaptable to hard were evolution just like cry engine.
It will impossible to tell cod ghost with upscale and full effects vs 1080p blur effects :₩
-Activision have a new true next gen engine in the works.
the talk of the town is the original mw has been remastered and the bad company series is going to be the next big game. As for a patch it wouldnt be impossible. But bf4 is definitely happening. Cod ghost looks better then ps4 version anyway...
UE4 made for X1 what? Are there any UE4 games being made for X1 right now? I know Tiny Brains uses it but thats for PS4 currently I think
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At a low level, the Xbox One and PS4 are more alike than any two consoles have ever been, this is the context of some of the developers comments regarding them being "the same", outside of that they're not the same at all.
If these consoles were really the same, the hardware would be a testament to that, hardware side by side would be the same, software and developmental processes would have to be the same, heck, the games would be the same...
The most truthful statements will be from those who claim they're "almost" the same, but on a hardware level, almost is not really "the same".
So you post some older and newer comments from devs putting the two systems on a level playing field even whilst the hardware tells us another story, whilst insiders tell us another story and whilst developers not wanting to be named tell us another story.
Maybe I'm wrong and all those guys are lying and just 3 or 4 multi-plats developers with an invested interest in making money from both platforms are the only guys telling the truth? Perhaps...
...but then what about the numbers? Numbers do not lie, so what are we meant to believe?
Do we believe anything not favoring the X1 as the best system ever to be statements made by Sony fanboys or trolls and haters (which include the industry) not implied by you but many others that seem to be allowed to break the rules here. I wonder if I called out some zealots out for their utter rubbish if I'd get away with it too.
If it was a popularity contest I'd understand.
Getting back to it, do we look at the hardware both systems house, the current games we see and how they perform and try to find the truth from in between the cracks?
"without optimization for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,".
I know, this can't be right because both consoles are "the same", so instead of looking at everything in light of current events I'll call this developer a troll or a Sony fanboy and disregard the claim altogether because it does not sit well with my preference...
So many questions I could ask that will only help prove the two are not the same at all, such as why the upclocks with the X1 or why guys like Penello and Hyrb have been caught out for their comments yet are still believed even...
Right now we have a lot of half truths being displayed as fact, yet what remains are developers looking out for their interests telling you things are the same, but that is no different from this generation or last, things were the same then even though when things became apparent their statements were forgotten.
At a low level, the Xbox One and PS4 are more alike than any two consoles have ever been, this is the context of some of the developers comments regarding them being "the same", outside of that they're not the same at all.
If these consoles were really the same, the hardware would be a testament to that, hardware side by side would be the same, software and developmental processes would have to be the same, heck, the games would be the same...
The most truthful statements will be from those who claim they're "almost" the same, but on a hardware level, almost is not really "the same".
So you post some older and newer comments from devs putting the two systems on a level playing field even whilst the hardware tells us another story, whilst insiders tell us another story and whilst developers not wanting to be named tell us another story.
Maybe I'm wrong and all those guys are lying and just 3 or 4 multi-plats developers with an invested interest in making money from both platforms are the only guys telling the truth? Perhaps...
...but then what about the numbers? Numbers do not lie, so what are we meant to believe?
Do we believe anything not favoring the X1 as the best system ever to be statements made by Sony fanboys or trolls and haters (which include the industry) not implied by you but many others that seem to be allowed to break the rules here. I wonder if I called out some zealots out for their utter rubbish if I'd get away with it too.
If it was a popularity contest I'd understand.
Getting back to it, do we look at the hardware both systems house, the current games we see and how they perform and try to find the truth from in between the cracks?
"without optimization for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,".
I know, this can't be right because both consoles are "the same", so instead of looking at everything in light of current events I'll call this developer a troll or a Sony fanboy and disregard the claim altogether because it does not sit well with my preference...
So many questions I could ask that will only help prove the two are not the same at all, such as why the upclocks with the X1 or why guys like Penello and Hyrb have been caught out for their comments yet are still believed even...
Right now we have a lot of half truths being displayed as fact, yet what remains are developers looking out for their interests telling you things are the same, but that is no different from this generation or last, things were the same then even though when things became apparent their statements were forgotten.
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Not sure what the problem is with other posters. You report a post, mods look at it and handle it. Like I did with the one you reported earlier.
As far as being difficult to develop for, which was the crux of your post to begin with, I posted developers saying otherwise. I couldn't care less about the hardware differences because that's not what we were discussing. You said people claimed it was a "bitch" to develop for. I countered that grand sweeping assessment with direct quotes from developers, big developers, stating otherwise. As it turns out, CoD's 720p has nothing to do with the esram as many have wrongly claimed. There's a whole 'nother thread about that in the multiconsole forum. Check it out.
If you rather I don't report them and I too break the rules I can do that, seems the emo in some posters only lives on after being reported anyway, so forgive me for being skeptical as to what happens to these guys if anything. I do that in favor of following the rules but I'd rather hold my own and call them out for the SOBs they really are anyway.
Hardware will always be key in these discussions, for example the ESRAM is not software nor is this "resolutiongate" a lie.
Are the claims of Battlefield 4 and ESRAM issues wrongly claimed also? Legit question, not being a smartass (just in case it sounds that way).
I already explained possibilities and asked you who to believe and why, these guys do not even have games released for each system and you're telling me to believe the oldest trick in the book which time and time again has been proven a lie?
"Yeah our game will be the same on all systems" bro, developers in the past have said the 360, PS3, and PC versions would all be the same in reference to their games. Clearly you see the conflict in that regardless of preference.
If people decided to agree to disagree it'd be a better move than to say "no, that's impossible" because like I said we have many truths we're exposed to here.
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Will do, sorry and thank you
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I'm not following. I just said if a post bothers you, report it, like you should. We can't see every reply/conversation going on. If a post warrants more than a deletion than a warning is sent out. Three warnings in a week and you're banned.
Not according to IW. It's more about software and other things. That's for the other thread though.
No clue. Was it rumors from internet people or was it direct quotes from verifiable developers?
Both sides fence man. Both sides.....
There are several issues with comparing these consoles that many here and elsewhere overlook. The developer environment and thus experience is not the same across the board. Methods are different. Work experience is different. Expertise is different. Time tables and budgeting are different. None of these things can really be quantified, but they do make a difference in development. Then you have constantly changing SDKs that create moving targets for launch titles.
People, in their efforts to make the "power" difference between these consoles, try to make processes that are not clear cut into something that is clear cut. It doesn't quantify the way people are trying to make it. To complicate matters, we have people reporting on and running with "anonymous" sources about things we have no context on with rarely a time table to relate it to, and no idea of the source's proximity and expertise as it is related to the projects being worked on. The rule of thumb really should be that more credence is given to those who are "man" enough to let their names and credentials be known as they make such comments related to these systems, not the other way around. Anonymous sources should be especially suspect when they are supposedly breaking binding agreements like NDAs because it brings their character into question. It is near impossible to separate people from their vested interest, especially forum goers who are trying to prove something one way or another.
Finally, the best console isn't just hardware power difference. It is inclusive of everything the console offers: games, apps, system features, online experience, community, etc. All the arguing is getting old, really, especially due to the fact that neither side of the issue will come to a decision on the "winner". Gamers should try and relax so that they can enjoy the games and the new experiences these consoles will provide.
People, in their efforts to make the "power" difference between these consoles, try to make processes that are not clear cut into something that is clear cut. It doesn't quantify the way people are trying to make it. To complicate matters, we have people reporting on and running with "anonymous" sources about things we have no context on with rarely a time table to relate it to, and no idea of the source's proximity and expertise as it is related to the projects being worked on. The rule of thumb really should be that more credence is given to those who are "man" enough to let their names and credentials be known as they make such comments related to these systems, not the other way around. Anonymous sources should be especially suspect when they are supposedly breaking binding agreements like NDAs because it brings their character into question. It is near impossible to separate people from their vested interest, especially forum goers who are trying to prove something one way or another.
Finally, the best console isn't just hardware power difference. It is inclusive of everything the console offers: games, apps, system features, online experience, community, etc. All the arguing is getting old, really, especially due to the fact that neither side of the issue will come to a decision on the "winner". Gamers should try and relax so that they can enjoy the games and the new experiences these consoles will provide.
This is IT!......This is the $hit that gets me going, the story for RYSE looks so epic how can people not be interested in going through that story!...it grips me majorly and I cannot wait to start playing this on Day One!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong and granted I'm not tech savvy. And this question will be in total Lamens; If you have a system with powerful hardware, isnt that pretty much all your really going to get? I mean, it doesnt change, expand and grow like software does/can does it? Software can virtually be made to expand, grow etc. Yeesh, am I making sense here? Sorry mates. Trying to figure out what I'm trying to say here....
Right. So I wasnt able to say as clearly as what I wanted to say. I'll figure it out and get back to ya! And I appreciate the even more Lamen's answer you gave me. So clear and precise!! I understood that perfectly!
And I'd trust Carmack over 98% of the developers out there. Has Tim Sweeney weighed in at all?
Carmack is in a relative freedom because his studio is not selling engines anymore, which means whatever he says it's not going to affect potential buyers working on a certain platform. Especially true with Mikami who has no allegience on nor reason to side with certain platform. Sweeney and Yerli, on the other hand... Their answers are possibly quite political though.
Yeah I have to remember that Sweeney and Epic are selling an engine and tools more than anything now a days.
Like, haven't seen Sweeney, but Yerli is way more careful than Carmack when he talks about performance and difference. Especially since people just started to license Cryengine. Carmack on the other hand has been quite straightforward.
Can someone provide some sources as to what work Carmack has actually done on the Xbox One/multiple next gen consoles please? Last I heard, he has been working on Oculus Rift and nothing for either new console. I could be wrong though...
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
In efforts towards? He hasn't stated he's worked with either one in depth.
I get it, ignoring Carmack and other developers while taking the word of others has been full frame for the last few months. Microsoft has no one to blame but themselves. On the other hand, I have to laugh at people reaaaaaaaaaaally labeling Carmack as a schill or completely lacking of knowledge. I mean, he's not a genius or anything with more experience in the field than Cerny ; whom everyone follows his words as the gospel. But let's downplay Carmack.
You got it all wrong if you're trying to claim that I'm trying to imply that Carmack is not certified to make a statement or have an opinion but in all reality who can tell you more about the ins and outs of a particular hardware than someone who is actually working on the hardware respectively?
You can be a respected developer and weigh in on what you know about hardware but until you've actually started development on said hardware, you'll know that much more.
So you are saying he has done nothing for either console? Am I reading that right?
Anonymous sources say so
( sorry just kidding )
I thought you were serious at first, at least I consider anonymous sources a possibility considering they've been getting things right lately.
Except. His level of expertise and intelligence level is referenced many of times by the hardware manufacturers making these products as a clue in to what HE'D do with it. Not saying you personally are digging him down, but you can't just downplay his statements. Which in some ways help the "down with the ONE" message people like to parade around with. I'd argue, what have you or anyone got to prove him wrong? Two launch titles? Out of the many that look gorgeous. Three statements by anonymous developers? While ignoring the statements by just as many that have no problem showing their identity. Personally, everyone on both sides are jumping at this far too early.
Hmmm. So you're saying he's never worked on anything quite like it?
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