4.2, but the CPU is what will be the biggest disappointment with the NEO if they stick with the rumored CPU.
Anyone saying anything higher is just assuming they are going to change things.
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4.2, but the CPU is what will be the biggest disappointment with the NEO if they stick with the rumored CPU.
Anyone saying anything higher is just assuming they are going to change things.
If it ends up with 4.2 TF's... that will be more than enough for 1080p/60fps(1440p downsampling) with all being Upscaled to 4K.
(which Scorpio will also do this in some games ie not all will be true 4K)
^Anyway saying higher is the same ASSuming as anyone ASSuming rumored specs are official.
(which Scorpio will also do this in some games ie not all will be true 4K)
^Anyway saying higher is the same ASSuming as anyone ASSuming rumored specs are official.
I too think Sony will be more than fine with those specs. But I'm hoping for an upgrade anyway. I mean why not?
Well I'm going off a report that many outlets reported and many verified GAF posters verified. That doesn't 100 percent confirm anything, but saying it will be anything higher than the rumored specs is irresponsible IMO.
I thought for sure they would upgrade them a bit but I am hearing Sony was surprised by Scorpio's announcement so now I dunno if they have the time to do any enhancements. I also don't know if I believe that they were surprised as Sony has ninja spies.
Sounds more like wishful thinking on your part.
Assuming rumors are official is just as irresponsible. IF Sony had foreknowledge of Scorpio...them pulling it from E3 to enhance it is very likely.
Sony claims they were surprised but who's REALLY believing they were surprised? hopeful fanboys?
I think its getting a bump to around 5TF's that's my guess.
The discussion is based off those reports because those are the only numbers we have. You have no evidence they are up clocking anything.
That is the difference
For your sake I hope they announce it soon though because you need to know whether to keep touting power or if you need to switch to exclusives.
And you have zero evidence they aren't upping anything.
I always touted both power and exclusives with exclusives being more important.
It doesn't matter if they up it more than the rumored specs..its day one for most of course me included.
That's the problem, even 5.2 TF with a jaguar is really crappy. That cpu needs serious help.
Here is the difference. I'm basing my discussion on rumored numbers. But they are at least numbers from documents and sources.
Your pulling numbers out of your ass because you need it to be better so you can keep on keeping on.
If they stay with the Jaguar CPU it won't matter if they have 5 TFlops.
Rumored numbers which means not official and the last time I checked PS Neo hasn't been released.
So the specs could stay the same or improve.
Improving the TF's would increase performance.
So would if you were building a new gaming PC you would be fine with a jaguar and just go full bore gpu? Seems very one sided. Seems you could have 10 TF with anything and you still need a decent cpu.
For 1080p/1440p its plenty. Most games are GPU dependent.
If I was building a new PC I wouldn't use AMD but that's another story.
Why do so many people focus on the CPU? these are still going to be games that are made to run on the standard PS4 and that CPU is what like 30% slower? almost all of the upgrades will surely be with graphics, I doubt we'll see much of them trying to improve AI or physics. If this was a brand new console generation there may be a point but this is an upgrade to an existing set of specs and giving more than twice the GPU power on top of modest CPU and RAM speed upgrades should be fine I would think.
I am not well informed on the ins and outs of what a cpu does vs a gpu so I could be wrong but it just seems silly to focus on the "weak" point of Neo when it's still stronger than the actual base model system in every way.
I am not well informed on the ins and outs of what a cpu does vs a gpu so I could be wrong but it just seems silly to focus on the "weak" point of Neo when it's still stronger than the actual base model system in every way.
For multiplatforms it will be a huge deal. Framerate is one area cpu is helps for sure. So if scorpio gets the beefier gpu and cpu it could get ugly against Neo in that department.
Exactly what I have been saying the whole time. For Sony to only allow developers to increase current and future games to 4K or whatever and frame rate and end its advantages there is silly. This thing is obviously going after PC level visuals, too. Isn't this why the phone is catching consoles or why hardcore game players are running back to the PC after a couple years?
But I don't think it stops there. Because this box is going after the PC or hardcore crowd, it may also be aimed as a hybrid to integrate it self into the PC space, also. What better way to do this than to keep console games exclusive to consoles while also creating a backdoor to access the PC gaming space almost completely, giving the PC fewer advantages over having a game console. Although it may sound far fetch, it seems like this is where we are headed.
I'm talking more about Neo compared to the standard PS4, when the possible (likely) specs were leaked people jumped on the CPU right away as if this was a new generation console. It's just an upgraded PS4, the games aren't being built from the ground up for this console they are still just PS4 games with a prettier coat of paint. I don't really compare Neo to Scorpio yet since they are likely to release a year apart and things can change.
Don't forget that the base games still have to run on the standard current gen systems, I don't know about you but I doubt many devs are really going to push the Scorpio really hard for quite a while. I think at most they'll likely push it to what Neo is doing and then move on simply because they have 4 versions of the game to work on. By the time you see exclusive Scorpio games where what you are talking about would come into play you'll already be seeing the PS5 or the next PS4 refresh that will be even more powerful. This is going to be a constant back and forth from now until the time console gaming dies.
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Whatever Neo runs, the original console has to also run. If you add something like additional physics or AI, it takes away the core experience. By raising the resolution, fps, or overall graphics quality, the core experience remains intact. These are the areas PCs having been leading as these games have to be developed across multiple platforms and therefore remained the same on a core level. You don't have to have some super CPU for this unless you are trying to make a whole new game.
PCs have a lot of useless overhead compared to consoles. This is where a lot of it's resources are wasted, hence the additional upgrades. What you need to realize is a lot of these games on the PC are designed on multiple platforms. Its the same game just visually more impressive. That's it. If the PC or anyone else gets a better upgrade, guess what.... the next generation of consoles (PS5) is right around the corner. It doesn't matter now. Consoles are being put in a position where they can evolve with the PC or any additional competition.
Exactly! I think some people are having trouble understanding that this isn't a generational upgrade with exclusive games being built for it, it's a mid gen refresh where games will get improved visuals over those on the standard console. They aren't going to go all crazy and add a ton of new physics and AI to a game, that would likely be too much work anyway. Visual upgrades and performance improvements are likely the only things we'll see differentiate a Neo game from a standard PS4 game.
Interesting. I've heard a lot of the "CPU will be a bottleneck" comments, but I hadn't heard that distinction made before.
Nah cause they will still program with the weakest denominator in mind which is the XBO and if MS dropped the XBO then it would be the PS4.
Like consoles, developers go with something called the common denominator. Because that common denominator are consoles, does/did it matter that they have laptop CPUs when they launched? No. They have a large following, and that's all that matters. With consoles now taking on PC like capabilities, that following is only going to increase and so will multi platform games.
CPU's become the bottleneck when SLIing/Cross Firing and in open world games.
Theirs people with 6 year old i5's that pair them with the latest GPU's.
Also the lower the res the more CPU dependent and the higher the res the more GPU dependent.
Lol, the Scorpio will get the same performance in multiplatforms as xb1? That's like saying neo will get the same performance as ps4 in that regard, won't happen.
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The ps4, neo, xb1, all have something in common, the jaguar cpu. If developers suddenly go from a bottleneck to an efficient cpu, it could make a huge difference in performance when they dial up settings in addition to the TF advantage. Multiplatforms.
Here is what is going to happen.
You will have better looking games on the Neo and a few more bells and whistles.
The CPU cycles to process dynamic, simulation-based events, and advanced AI. With the CPU still being that low level jaguar your NPC's and AI will not be improved among other things.
There is a reason why so many people are complaining and/or worried about the CPU.
Are they going to suddenly ignore the PS4 and Neo user base by the time the the competition releases next year would be a good question to ask. In addition to this, you're going to have to factor in cost for these units when they launch. If Sony's Neo system is launching this year along with them being more conservative, how much do you really see this system costing by the time the competition falls? I understand that we are dealing with a hardcore crowd here, but sales are still going to make a very big difference to developers. Isn't this why the PC's advantage in games merely seem to be resolution, fps, or graphics quality? You talk about these "bottlenecks" but at the end of the day, it doesn't even matter if it means neglecting an entire user base. Having a powerful system doesn't necessarily grant you success. A common denominator is almost guaranteed to take place.
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I trust Sony to deliver an updated system that gives them what they need.
I doubt with all the talented people they have that they would push out a pointless update.
If it has all the features of X1 S and is near the power of Scorpio, then it's going to be awesome.
I doubt with all the talented people they have that they would push out a pointless update.
If it has all the features of X1 S and is near the power of Scorpio, then it's going to be awesome.
They're not going to ignore them at all, not my point. When its time to dial up settings for ports though, developers will take advantage of the slight clock speed neo has over ps4, just like the massive difference if scorpio gets the rumored Zen, which everything is pointing to that.