Kassen's Magical Thread of Science and Other Things

Guys, as crazy as I think this flat earth stuff is, I think we should probably be a little more respectful of other people's religious beliefs.

One love.

Well, the problem is that Val introduced his religious beliefs as the foundation for believing in a flat earth.

I think that is Val's tactic of shifting the debate, so he does not have to provide any actual arguments to support his beliefs. He can just say "the Bible says so." It's a dodge. Instead of providing argument or evidence or reasoning to support your views, you just say, "The bible says so." It relieves you of the burden of actually providing a reasoned argument. Val knows he can't provide reasons, and so he falls back on "the Bible says so."

Does the Bible actually talk about a flat earth, btw? I've never heard that. Val didn't provide any citations. I'm sure it's possible. The Bible was written thousands of years ago, in a time when everyone did believe in a flat earth. Wouldn't be surprising if that culture belief made it into the Bible somewhere.
 
Well, the problem is that Val introduced his religious beliefs as the foundation for believing in a flat earth.

I think that is Val's tactic of shifting the debate, so he does not have to provide any actual arguments to support his beliefs. He can just say "the Bible says so." It's a dodge. Instead of providing argument or evidence or reasoning to support your views, you just say, "The bible says so." It relieves you of the burden of actually providing a reasoned argument. Val knows he can't provide reasons, and so he falls back on "the Bible says so."

Does the Bible actually talk about a flat earth, btw? I've never heard that. Val didn't provide any citations. I'm sure it's possible. The Bible was written thousands of years ago, in a time when everyone did believe in a flat earth. Wouldn't be surprising if that culture belief made it into the Bible somewhere.
It's so beyond us mere mortals that don't know the difference between Christianity and Catholicism that he sees no reason to share.

You are ignorant to non liberal aka Christian based views so it be a waste of time showing you videos that make good points and some come from the bible like the roundness of the earth for example.
 
Two things. First, on a full moon you can see the shadow cast by Earth. And that shadow is curved, telling you the earth is a sphere. Second, the coriolis effect. It’s the force applied to an object in motion based on the curvature of the earth.

Gotta love physics when you want some facts.
 
Two things. First, on a full moon you can see the shadow cast by Earth. And that shadow is curved, telling you the earth is a sphere. Second, the coriolis effect. It’s the force applied to an object in motion based on the curvature of the earth.

Gotta love physics when you want some facts.

But but but the earth is a flat circle. Mind blown!
 
I don't believe the Earth is flat obviously. Don't add me to the title please. Lol. But is NASA just trolling with the fish-eye lense crap? I mean the horizon is literally going from curved to convexed in a lot of their footage. They're only helping to fuel this nonsense.

Even in the space jump video, Nevada or wherever he jumped from takes up the whole side of the globe because of the lense distortion.

As to the matter of satellites, which they don't believe in. You can see them with the naked eye if you're far enough away from the city. I've seen one, like in the 1990's.
 
I don't believe the Earth is flat obviously. Don't add me to the title please. Lol. But is NASA just trolling with the fish-eye lense crap? I mean the horizon is literally going from curved to convexed in a lot of their footage. They're only helping to fuel this nonsense.

Even in the space jump video, Nevada or wherever he jumped from takes up the whole side of the globe because of the lense distortion.

As to the matter of satellites, which they don't believe in. You can see them with the naked eye if you're far enough away from the city. I've seen one, like in the 1990's.
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No wide angle lens pointed at the horizon here.....



Also, if the wide angle lens, and also standard lenses, they're not using fish eye lenses, that you're hypothesizing is possibly causing the arched look of the earth, then the Red Bull capsule would be heavily distorted as well. It's not. The capsule would be heavily bowed on the right side.

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The same goes for the ISS's photos.

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Whats the advantage to a mass conspiracy that the Earth is round? Increasing the price of plane tickets?
 

A guy I worked with one told me he saw two cars parked next to each other in a parking lot.

One had a "Jesus saves" bumper sticker.

The one next to it had a "Walmart saves you more" bumper sticker.
 
Whats the advantage to a mass conspiracy that the Earth is round? Increasing the price of plane tickets?
That's a great point I never thought of. What's the purpose of claiming the earth is a globe if it isn't? What's the benefit? lol

I can fly to Japan from the East coast. Stay over in Italy then head to Japan. I can fly to Cali, stay for a few days and then fly to Japan. Where's the edge? Where's the cliff? I can't believe I have to literally type those things.
 
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That's a great point I never thought of. What's the purpose of claiming the earth is a globe if it isn't? What's the benefit? lol

I can fly to Japan from the East coast. Stay over in Italy then head to Japan. I can fly to Cali, stay for a few days and then fly to Japan. Where's the edge? Where's the cliff? I can't believe I have to literally type those things.

But but but it’s like those old school video games if you leave the screen on one side you come out on the other. Flat earth same thing... Brilliant!
 
Fwiw, here's an extensive refutation, by a biblical scholar, of the idea that the Bible supports a flat earth.

From the intro: "As I have previously discussed, belief that the earth is flat has rapidly grown of late, largely through dissemination via countless Internet sites and the influence of social media. Unfortunately, many Christians have fallen prey to this, misled into believing that the Bible teaches the earth is flat and that, until five centuries ago, the church likewise taught that the earth is flat. In this article, I will examine many of the biblical passages that supposedly teach that the earth is flat, and I will show that in fact they do not."

He then dismantles the individual quotes.

From the conclusion: "Clearly, the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It was Bible skeptics who introduced this false claim in the 19th century. It is a shame that professed Bible-believers recently have embraced this false argument and have gone on to promote the flat earth. When combined with its many scientific and observational problems, the flat-earth theory is disproven."

I also found this interesting: "As the medieval scholar Geoffrey Burton Russell ably demonstrated,1 contrary to common misconception, the medieval church did not teach that the earth was flat. Thomas Aquinas introduced Aristotelian thought into medieval church teaching. Writing in the fourth century BC, Aristotle clearly taught that the earth was spherical. In the early second century BC, Eratosthenes accurately measured the circumference of the spherical earth."

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
 
Actually it does. And since you are into a literal bible interpretation, I assume you’re totally ok with all the killing and maiming it recommends, as in the following passages?

Please address each one specifically so I can understand better.

No. 1: St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:1:cool:

No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-2:cool:

No. 6: St Paul condemns homosexuality in the opening chapter of the Book of Romans:

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

No. 7: In this story from the Book of Judges, an Israelite leader, Jephthah, makes a rash vow to God, which has to be carried out:

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

No. 9: “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:1:cool:



BTW I was raised Christian but the only aspect I currently try and practice from it (and usually fail at) is ‘treat others as you want to be treated.’

Jesus probably would have been a pretty cool dude to surf with.

Yeah, but people forget that the bible was written by men in power, they borrowed from other religions, threw out what they didn't like and kept in what kept them in power.

Jesus was based on Hercules (The Legendary Journeys) ; Son of a God born to a virgin.

Back then women were covered in sand and dust and didn't wax, today they wear makeup, smell good, shave their legs and have ridiculous sweater puppies. We can afford to hear them out.
 
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Fwiw, here's an extensive refutation, by a biblical scholar, of the idea that the Bible supports a flat earth.

From the intro: "As I have previously discussed, belief that the earth is flat has rapidly grown of late, largely through dissemination via countless Internet sites and the influence of social media. Unfortunately, many Christians have fallen prey to this, misled into believing that the Bible teaches the earth is flat and that, until five centuries ago, the church likewise taught that the earth is flat. In this article, I will examine many of the biblical passages that supposedly teach that the earth is flat, and I will show that in fact they do not."

He then dismantles the individual quotes.

From the conclusion: "Clearly, the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It was Bible skeptics who introduced this false claim in the 19th century. It is a shame that professed Bible-believers recently have embraced this false argument and have gone on to promote the flat earth. When combined with its many scientific and observational problems, the flat-earth theory is disproven."

I also found this interesting: "As the medieval scholar Geoffrey Burton Russell ably demonstrated,1 contrary to common misconception, the medieval church did not teach that the earth was flat. Thomas Aquinas introduced Aristotelian thought into medieval church teaching. Writing in the fourth century BC, Aristotle clearly taught that the earth was spherical. In the early second century BC, Eratosthenes accurately measured the circumference of the spherical earth."

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
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Actually it does. And since you are into a literal bible interpretation, I assume you’re totally ok with all the killing and maiming it recommends, as in the following passages?

Please address each one specifically so I can understand better.

No. 1: St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:1:cool:

No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-2:cool:

No. 6: St Paul condemns homosexuality in the opening chapter of the Book of Romans:

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

No. 7: In this story from the Book of Judges, an Israelite leader, Jephthah, makes a rash vow to God, which has to be carried out:

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

No. 9: “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:1:cool:



BTW I was raised Christian but the only aspect I currently try and practice from it (and usually fail at) is ‘treat others as you want to be treated.’

Jesus probably would have been a pretty cool dude to surf with.
Correct woman are to be silent in the church and not teach men and wifes are to submit to there husbands.

Killing is in a Different dispensation God doesn't deal with people this way in the dispensation of grace which we are in right now.

Sorcery is wrong as is Homosexuality and the bible is clear on both of these.

Not sure what you are trying to say with these scriptures?
 
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It's so beyond us mere mortals that don't know the difference between Christianity and Catholicism that he sees no reason to share.

We only pray to the Father in Jesus name.

Catholics pray to the dead including Mary and Idols/statues.

We believe in Heaven/Paradise,Hell and the Lake Of Fire.

Catholics make up a place called purgatory and add it to the mix.

We believe in salvation as a free gift obtained by grace through faith.

Catholics believe in earning salvation by doing works.

We call one man Father and believe one man intercedes for us and took away or sin Jesus The Christ.

Catholics give people authority to intercede for sins like priests,popes and the dead Mary and call priests Father even when Jesus says not to do this.


Off the top of my head
 
I don't believe the Earth is flat obviously. Don't add me to the title please. Lol. But is NASA just trolling with the fish-eye lense crap? I mean the horizon is literally going from curved to convexed in a lot of their footage. They're only helping to fuel this nonsense.

Even in the space jump video, Nevada or wherever he jumped from takes up the whole side of the globe because of the lense distortion.

As to the matter of satellites, which they don't believe in. You can see them with the naked eye if you're far enough away from the city. I've seen one, like in the 1990's.
Maybe that footage is curved more because it's shot through glass that is built to be thick enough for its crew not to die? That's a natural effect of lens distortion, just like plane windows, but even more extreme. (Which flat earth believers will also tell you is purposefully deceiving you)

I also can see satellites with the naked eye, living in Colorado. That's sad you haven't seen one since the '90s, but that's the way things are heading in most areas. I would really like to hear their explanation for those.
 
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I just want to pass along that one or more of the lizard people from the Alpha Draconis star system and now stationed here on earth have seen this thread. They tell me that some of you here know too much and will be dealt with accordingly. You have been warned.

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I just want to pass along that one or more of the lizard people from the Alpha Draconis star system and now stationed here on earth have seen this thread. They tell me that some of you here know too much and will be dealt with accordingly. You have been warned.

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Before the world is annihilated, I would like to immediately proclaim that I have never hurt a lizard.

Please spare me.

But for all you Draconis travelers who will dress up like humans, act like humans and speak like humans, may I instead give my allegiance by donating to your silver plate?

There's something called a Mercedes-Benz which I'm sure you will enjoy. Human donations can help pay for them. It's a fancy human vehicle. What you do is collect money from followers, but ensure you park the Benz behind the church in the back corner making sure nobody see it.

If you park it in the open, followers will question the donations and where it goes.

Since you are far away from your planet, if you are interested in inter-galactic alien sex, there's something called an Alter Boy. If they resist, just say something about eternal damnation and they will then agree with you. I know it sounds silly, but many humans are gullible and will believe higher authority no matter how idiotic the request is. If they still resist, mentioned something called "The Devil". The Devil is a red faced creature holding a pitchfork created by someone 3,000 years ago. Sounds silly that humans can build satellite dishes and cure diseases using electron microscopes, but still believe in drawings and folklore. But it can work.

I have given you worthy information. Spare me.
 
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If they resist, I volunteer as tribute!
Lieutenant Lizardo has proclaimed you spared.

Lube up Bellybama, safe to say scaly dycks is gonna hurt big time.

By the way, Lizardo mentioned if you can donate $10 to his collection plate. He's thinking about checking out an Audi dealership this afternoon.