Haha OK let me go see that. I know some people really care a s*** ton for whatever he has to say and they find him extremely reliable.
Loooool
People are already going #TeamReiner
Haha oh man.
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Haha OK let me go see that. I know some people really care a s*** ton for whatever he has to say and they find him extremely reliable.
Loooool
People are already going #TeamReiner
Haha oh man.
I dono what Matt you guys are talking about but if he’s got a Booty at the end of his name than why a and where am I going with this, sorry, bored and hungry, where’s my pizza? 
MS will likely make all games bought now patched up to the latest version ie Cyberpunk,Gears 5 etc.
Sony better match this or XV will be a more appealing investment for many.
Sony better match this or XV will be a more appealing investment for many.
In that giant bomb interview spencer seemed a bit hesitant to say for sure that they'd for free patches for upgrades etc..
In the past we've never had free upgrades when going from gen to gen, Sony and MS have sort of boxed themselves into a corner with the mid-gen refreshes I guess, people how will expect free upgrades to versions of games that took more work. I know BC plays a part in this but older BC consoles never did upgrades either but we have had plenty of "remastered for the new console" kinds of games.
I guarantee MS will do it this way as they already do this xbo/x/pc.
It has been there moto since play anywhere started.
Sony will be at a major disadvantage if they don't follow.
(BC)Older consoles weren't x86 based so it made it harder with PS3 to PS4 being a no show.
Oh I get that it was different but it's just isn't something that was ever done before so I hope the console makers realize they need to do that, especially with the refresh consoles doing that this gen..
I think they said any game that's BC on X1 will also be BC on the next one, and all X1 games will be as well, I don't think they've committed to anything more than that.
We'll see then, I'm not expecting everything, but the more the better.
I think onthe Project Scarlett Video they mentioned that the BC team has moved on to making sure that all Xbox one games work on it and that all previous compatible BC games for XBO will work on Scarlet...gosh I hope Scarlett Johansson comes out on stage to unveil the new box design
I think the last update of games, that included all the splinter cell games, was the last update we’ll see from said team.
I wonder how the PC gaming market and smart phone markets survived all these years with so many options.
I mean options are dumb, consumers are idiots that can't figure out which version of their favorite electronics device is the higher end model and developers are too lazy to drop the resolution down to 1080P for their games to run on lower end HW even though they're already doing it for those same games on PC.
Also the APU in these consoles cost Sony and MS about $150 so you're telling me raising that budget an extra $100 won't get you something better? Yea, I'm not buying that load of nonsense.
You don't have to buy anything, if reality isn't your cup of tea so be it. It took a year and a more complicated cooling system and an extra $100 to get a 1.8TF advantage for the One X, the new consoles are likely to already be starting with that cooling system, so what's next? and would 1.8TF matter much as much between PS5 and the new Xbox? nope. A wealthy company can't make technology move faster than it's ready to move, these are consoles not gaming rigs, cooling, cost and power draw are all taken into account. An extra $100 would mean IF it were possible to get something better in that APU it would raise costs in other areas as well, sorry but that's just now how the console business works! Both Sony and MS face limitations regardless of how much money they have.
As far as devs being lazy, if you think all it was going to take was to drop the res then you are crazy, if that's "all it took" they wouldn't have complained. The mid-gen refreshes take more work than MS and Sony act like they do, it's not building an entirely new game but it's not just flipping a switch and calling it a day either.
As far as the cell phone comparison that doesn't really make much sense, cell phone manufacturing is done at a much faster rate, console go into production a couple of months ahead of the release date and they never have enough, you rarely see cell phones being unavailable after launch, at least not for long and they go into production much closer to the release date.
An extra $100 can definitely get you better HW that is reality just because Sony and MS are afraid of alienating consumers by raising the price of a console by a $100 doesn't mean an extra $100 won't get you a significant upgrade and yes 1.8 TF's is a significant upgrade when also combined with better bandwidth, more Ram and faster CPU.
So XB1X got a faster CPU, 50% more Ram, 50% more Bandwidth and a whole PS4 worth of TF's faster and better than Pro did while also having better, quieter more elegant HW design than PS4 Pro all for a measly $100.
How could anyone not want to pay that $100? Give me the far superior product any day for an extra $100.
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It is dumb. It means you have weak sku holding the other back. More work for devs which is bad in the era of incom'lete and broke game launches...and it confuses consumers. All for what? So people can get a bit of a graphics boost. Pointless and dumb.
Yet here we are with PS4, PS4 Pro, XB1 and XB1X. Yup works out just fine after all.
Confuses consumer? Lol. I guess people are totally confused about which TV Set to get, which Smart Phone to get, which car to get, etc.
I don't believe consumers are as ignorant as you think.
As for creating more work for devs, if the 2 HW's are similar enough its just a matter of lowering resolution on the low end hw.
A bit of a graphics boost is the only reason we upgrade every Generation by the way. Since the Xbox and PS2 Gen games have only gotten prettier and faster but they mostly play the same.
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1. No. A bit of graphics isn't. We upgrade for new experiences.
2. Yes consumers are that ignorant.
3. Just fine? I'll remember that when I play the next broken game. It isn't that simple either...just lowerering resolution isn't the snswer...and optimisation across several skus is a time intensive process.Not too mention games would scale up not down.
New experiences. Yea sure keep telling yourself that.
Every other piece of electronics has multiple tier skus but for some reason you and a few others believe gamers and gaming consumers are too ignorant to handle multiple skus that we've already had in the past like Xbox 360 20 Gig & 360 no HD, PS3 60 GB HD & PS3 20GB HD, Xbox1, XB1X, PS4, PS4 Pro.
Yes broken games will continue to release no matter if the game is released on a console with a single sku or multiple skus because that is not the reason that devs are releasing broken games.
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
"I genuinely believe that the teraflop wars is over now. The GPU's potency in terms of gaming performance can't be measured by its peak compute output in a world where the new Navi-based 9.75 teraflop RX 5700 XT is - according to AMD - 14 per cent more capable than the 13.7 teraflop RX Vega 64. And remember, Vega itself is a significantly different beast to the earlier GCN architectures on which the current-gen consoles are based"
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-project-scarlett-spec-analysis
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-project-scarlett-spec-analysis
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On one hand it would be odd to not see this continuing, because MS sure did/is doing a superb job when it comes to that. All those X patches for 360,OG and X1 games all for free, while other companies ask money for it.
On the other hand, can we really expect Cyberpunk to just get a patch and done? When CDPR could also just release it for Scarlett and PS5 and charge full price for it.
Right... but I think Nintendo would quickly axe the lesser version. Or maybe not, there’s three versions of the DS, but I guess that’s forgivable since it’s on a boat with no sails for much longer (in the shadow of the HMS Switch)
AMD's have always been somewhat meaningless. Hell, that Vega 64 card came out a year after Nvidia's 1080 (which is about 9Tflops) and still managed to under-perform ever so slightly in comparison.
Hell, Nvidia's current low-end card (RTX 2060) is like 6.5Tflops and has similar performance to that Vega 64 card AND has the RTX ray tracing cores to boot.
Yeah that's the thing, is it going to be something that first party does but not 3rd party games? can they really force that? I mean right now the patches are free but I doubt they take as much work as trying to take advantage of what the new consoles will provide. It's not just like a PC even though people keep comparing them because consoles are closed platforms with specific development requirements. The next gen is all new hardware that old games will run on but it's probably going to take quite a bit more work to upgrade the games than it does the Pro or One X which still share mostly the same DNA as the launch consoles.
I believe there was some interview(s) that mentioned that it’s all based on the BC team, as some games like red dead, Forza Horizon 1, Star Wars the force unleashed and others get 4k treatment because their software allows it to do so. That and I figure they have it down as every Xbox one game is being emulated on the X.
CDPR is traditionally very good about not nickle and diming, though - plus they're the folks behind GOG, which is a better version of Steam as it doesn't include DRM.
Although my post just above points out how good CDPR is about not bleeding the consumer dry, the difference between a 4K upgrade and a Scarlette/PS5 upgrade is that it's not just better graphics, but that the CPU is going to be much better. If your core gameplay loop is designed for Jaguar, that's not something that will be easy to leverage inside the new console without some work. Stability, sure - see AC Unity - but I don't expect to see cross-gen games really put the new CPU to work.
They aren't launching a new generation with two different models though, they waited.
$100 will not get you anything worth a damn if you are launching in the same year as another console, if you wait a year or two that will get you more on paper but still it's going to take a lot more than 1.8TF to really push anything significant visually over a platform that's already doing native 4K with high end assets.
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