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She's been getting hammered for the Asaad thing for years, the homophobia thing is easily squashed because her voting record shows that's not what she believes anymore, I know it doesn't bother me at all. Nobody said Gabbard did it as a public service but it was warranted and it's all true, it's not something most people know about.

The difference between the Asaad thing coming up against Gabbard and Harris record coming up against her is Gabbard has been getting hit with this stuff since before she ran, Harris hasn't had any of this brought up to her face in any real way until now. Harris was the establishment candidate of choice until Biden got in. They were talking about her last year, they love the fact that she can use the race card and the gender card as half assed defenses against anyone who attacks her for anything. I have no doubt that had it been Biden who said what Gabbard said about Harris she and her campaign would have used the "woman of color" defense like crazy. She'd be better than Trump but she's not a very likeable person, her campaign has no real message and she just doesn't offer anything unique other than her gender/ethnicity.

There is no difference. She is unknown to most of the country therefore nobody evens knows about her and Asaad so its not something that just goes away. Especially when she STILL thinks the chemical attacks were false flags to frame Asaad. Let's not even get into praising Putin for his war crimes.

Has she changed her views on gay people? I don't know. I do know she lied about it in the first debate. Claimed to change when she joined the military but gave an interview a few years ago and said her views haven't changed. So which is it? Are we ok with lying if it benefits them politically or not?
 
Trump thinks the Ohio shooting was in Toledo

Biden thinks the shootings were in Houston and Michigan

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There is no difference. She is unknown to most of the country therefore nobody evens knows about her and Asaad so its not something that just goes away. Especially when she STILL thinks the chemical attacks were false flags to frame Asaad. Let's not even get into praising Putin for his war crimes.

Has she changed her views on gay people? I don't know. I do know she lied about it in the first debate. Claimed to change when she joined the military but gave an interview a few years ago and said her views haven't changed. So which is it? Are we ok with lying if it benefits them politically or not?

http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Tulsi-Gabbard-412532

https://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/129306/tulsi-gabbard/76

Her actions (votes) would seem to show that she supports equal rights for gays, she's been supportive of gay marriage or at least anti government discrimination against gay couples for years. She has a right to change her mind on that, hell Obama and HRC were opposed to gay marriage when they were running against each other in 2008. To be fair most people were against it not that long ago, thankfully most of those ame people have changed their minds on that rather quickly.
 
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http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Tulsi-Gabbard-412532

https://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/129306/tulsi-gabbard/76

Her actions (votes) would seem to show that she supports equal rights for gays, she's been supportive of gay marriage or at least anti government discrimination against gay couples for years. She has a right to change her mind on that, hell Obama and HRC were opposed to gay marriage when they were running against each other in 2008. To be fair most people were against it not that long ago, thankfully most of those ame people have changed their minds on that rather quickly.

And it was used as a criticism of Hillary 4 years ago.

The fact is she went on the debate stage and claimed to have changed her views when she joined the military. That was a lie.
 
Something just feels "off" about Gabbard. I look at her positions on her website and it seems like I should align with her pretty well, but something just doesn't feel right. I can't even explain it.

To be fair though, Obama was against gay marriage in 2008. It was unfortunately a very divisive issue at the time (and still is in ways) and it was the smart way to win an election. It is an important lesson for today - it is ok to bend a little in order to get elected. Pragmatism over idealism is often needed in politics. Had Obama not done that, he may never have been President.
 
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Auditioning for future republican appointed judge openings.

That's a baseless and demeaning accusation. A Republican nominee doesn't audition for an opening, he (as it is always a white male) just grabs the opening and worries about permission later, which is roughly defined as never.
 
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JinCA Well so much for it being a fair attack


It's part of her record, she said she's proud of her record right? I've never heard Harris say "I'm proud of part of my record other than prosecuting marijuana crimes" I would agree that it was a misleading add if she actually said that she regretted putting people in jail for any reason but so far I haven't heard that.
 
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And it was used as a criticism of Hillary 4 years ago.

The fact is she went on the debate stage and claimed to have changed her views when she joined the military. That was a lie.

Hillary didn't change her mind publicly until polling said it was safe to do so, she NEVER led on anything she was always a calculated politician who only followed polls. Only people like Bernie who are considered by most to be far left were for gay marriage early on, everyone else has thankfully "evolved" over time. I suspect Hillary and Obama were both for it personally long before they decided to say it publicly but that's just my opinion.

You are saying Gabbard lied but nothing backs that up other than you wanting her to be a liar. She said when she went to Iraq she saw what it was like when a government was run by religion and it was forced on everyone and that led to her deciding that her personal beliefs shouldn't be forced on anyone else, if that was the first step of her evolution on the matter I'm fine with it. Her voting record on gay related issues is not that of someone who is some secret anti gay actor in congress, she has shown herself to be someone who is supportive of equality regardless of what her past would lead some to believe.
 
It's part of her record, she said she's proud of her record right? I've never heard Harris say "I'm proud of part of my record" I would agree that it was a misleading add if she actually said that she regretted putting people in jail for any reason but so far I haven't heard that.

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Hillary didn't change her mind publicly until polling said it was safe to do so, she NEVER led on anything she was always a calculated politician who only followed polls. Only people like Bernie who are considered by most to be far left were for gay marriage early on, everyone else has thankfully "evolved" over time. I suspect Hillary and Obama were both for it personally long before they decided to say it publicly but that's just my opinion.

Either its ok to flip flop for political gains or it isn't.

You are saying Gabbard lied but nothing backs that up other than you wanting her to be a liar. She said when she went to Iraq she saw what it was like when a government was run by religion and it was forced on everyone and that led to her deciding that her personal beliefs shouldn't be forced on anyone else, if that was the first step of her evolution on the matter I'm fine with it. Her voting record on gay related issues is not that of someone who is some secret anti gay actor in congress, she has shown herself to be someone who is supportive of equality regardless of what her past would lead some to believe.



Yeah she said she didn't want to force her beliefs but her beliefs haven't changed. That isn't what she said on the debate stage. Sounds like a lie to me.
 
"Invasion" is one of the tamer things they've said. They've specifically mentioned diseases and crime. Trump specifically mentioned rapists and murderers on many occasions.



The problem is we're still debating if they used harmful rhetoric.
 
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