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Seems a little silly for them to rub it in when it's QUITE obvious, by every measure.
Tell me one game that used SSDs as the base storage device during Dev. There isn't one. So, technically,this is groundbreaking.
And why is it clearly not? Please tell me you have more than just "PC gamers been using them for years."Cause lol if you don't.
From what I gathered so far from what the companies said, & not said. There isn't a clear cut which is best condole unlike last-gen.
As they said, the Putin is in the cake or something. When Xbox One X launched, they shout from the rooftop that it is the most powerful console ever. When they revealed XBOX Series X (which 12 years old Fortniter came out with the name?), they said "Its the most powerful Xbox ever", not the most powerful console.
When Sony "revealed" PS5, they go basically like the weather forecaster "Tomorrow it may rain, or it may not". So you knowing as much as before you heard him. Let's be real, if its the most powerful console, they will shout from the rooftop as well.
Given all this info so far, the obvious choice is the PS5, unless like to be bridesmaid forever.
I am not a Sony fanboy, but explain why you would want an XBOX SX if they are similar in power unless you are a big Forza fan? Halo has gone from the pin up Spice girls of 2000, the girl band your mom listened to in school in 2020.
As they said, the Putin is in the cake or something. When Xbox One X launched, they shout from the rooftop that it is the most powerful console ever. When they revealed XBOX Series X (which 12 years old Fortniter came out with the name?), they said "Its the most powerful Xbox ever", not the most powerful console.
When Sony "revealed" PS5, they go basically like the weather forecaster "Tomorrow it may rain, or it may not". So you knowing as much as before you heard him. Let's be real, if its the most powerful console, they will shout from the rooftop as well.
Given all this info so far, the obvious choice is the PS5, unless like to be bridesmaid forever.
I am not a Sony fanboy, but explain why you would want an XBOX SX if they are similar in power unless you are a big Forza fan? Halo has gone from the pin up Spice girls of 2000, the girl band your mom listened to in school in 2020.
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so it’s ground breaking for both...doesn’t the switch, old3 360 arcade and the Xbox one elite with the hybrid ssd drive, just games weren’t specifically designed to take advantage for it, as well?
We knew about the super fast SSD being able to do be steamed to the VRAM before the Sony reveal because it was clearly stated on the digital foundry video. It’s not something that was revealed after.
It’s an opinion piece, but they make good points:
www.notebookcheck.net
The Playstation 5’s “no loading” SSD is a gimmick: here’s why
Yes, the PlayStation 5 features the single fastest consumer storage solution on the market, if you don’t count insane PCIe Gen4 striped RAID configurations. While faster storage is always a good thing, the PS5’s 825 GB SSD is not a cure-all for other deficiencies and compromises in its configuration.
During the PlayStation 5 spec reveal, Sony chose to draw attention away from the PlayStation 5’s graphics performance. One way it did this was by indicating that higher clock speeds may result in better than linear performance scaling, something that’s been conclusively ruled out for RDNA. Another way was by touting the PS5’s unusually fast SSD storage solution as a fundamental game changer. However, looking at the PC experience, and considering the fact that games have been authored with SSDs in mind for quite some time now, the real-world impact of that 5.5 GB/s storage solution might not be anywhere near as massive.
Let’s consider load times. The greatest supposed benefit of the PS5’s SSD is the complete elimination of load times from open world games. This operates under the assumption that I/O transfers are all that goes on when you’re presented with a loading screen. It’s important to recognise that a lot of CPU and GPU-intensive functions take place while loading too. Kingdom Come: Deliverance, a 2017 title built with the next-gen in mind, features advanced AI routines. Even running on SSD storage, certain actions like the in-game “wait” or “sleep” functions can take over 30 seconds. Why is this? It takes this long, even for Zen 2CPU cores, to compute the AI routines and dynamic events happening offscreen during a loading period.
This is also why, in the PC space, NVMe SSDs have next to no tangible impact on gaming performance vis-a-via far slower SATA SSDs. SATA SSDs generally cut load times in half or more relative to SSDs. NVMe SSDs, though, rarely shave off more than a second or two beyond that. This is because the rest of the loading process is not I/O bound.
Claims that the PS5’s SSD will magically translate into better graphics performance relative to the Xbox Series X are even farther from the truth. Both the PS5 and the Xbox Series X have extremely fast storage solutions that, in the current scenario are well into the diminishing returns end of the storage speed spectrum.
The Xbox Series X has an SSD that delivers “only” 2.4 GB/s of throughput. Yet, this is fast enough that Microsoft’s confident in being able to implement features like Quick Resume and the Velocity Architecture. With storage that’s so fast the system’s already running into other bottlenecks on both platforms, there isn’t much more that the PS5’s SSD can do in practical terms.
At the end of the day, both the PS5 and Xbox Series X deliver a genuine generational leap over eighth-gen consoles, and that’s something to look forward to. However, at least this generation, Sony will be on the back foot with respect to performance, and no amount of spin is likely to change that.
The Playstation 5’s “no loading” SSD is a gimmick: here’s why
During Sony’s announcement of the PlayStation 5’s key specifications, the console maker lavished a lot of attention on the PS5’s new SSD. While the 5.5 GB/s storage solution is blazing fast, it is not a cure-all for other, fundamental compromises in the PlayStation 5’s architecture relative to...
www.notebookcheck.net
The Playstation 5’s “no loading” SSD is a gimmick: here’s why
Yes, the PlayStation 5 features the single fastest consumer storage solution on the market, if you don’t count insane PCIe Gen4 striped RAID configurations. While faster storage is always a good thing, the PS5’s 825 GB SSD is not a cure-all for other deficiencies and compromises in its configuration.
During the PlayStation 5 spec reveal, Sony chose to draw attention away from the PlayStation 5’s graphics performance. One way it did this was by indicating that higher clock speeds may result in better than linear performance scaling, something that’s been conclusively ruled out for RDNA. Another way was by touting the PS5’s unusually fast SSD storage solution as a fundamental game changer. However, looking at the PC experience, and considering the fact that games have been authored with SSDs in mind for quite some time now, the real-world impact of that 5.5 GB/s storage solution might not be anywhere near as massive.
Let’s consider load times. The greatest supposed benefit of the PS5’s SSD is the complete elimination of load times from open world games. This operates under the assumption that I/O transfers are all that goes on when you’re presented with a loading screen. It’s important to recognise that a lot of CPU and GPU-intensive functions take place while loading too. Kingdom Come: Deliverance, a 2017 title built with the next-gen in mind, features advanced AI routines. Even running on SSD storage, certain actions like the in-game “wait” or “sleep” functions can take over 30 seconds. Why is this? It takes this long, even for Zen 2CPU cores, to compute the AI routines and dynamic events happening offscreen during a loading period.
This is also why, in the PC space, NVMe SSDs have next to no tangible impact on gaming performance vis-a-via far slower SATA SSDs. SATA SSDs generally cut load times in half or more relative to SSDs. NVMe SSDs, though, rarely shave off more than a second or two beyond that. This is because the rest of the loading process is not I/O bound.
Claims that the PS5’s SSD will magically translate into better graphics performance relative to the Xbox Series X are even farther from the truth. Both the PS5 and the Xbox Series X have extremely fast storage solutions that, in the current scenario are well into the diminishing returns end of the storage speed spectrum.
The Xbox Series X has an SSD that delivers “only” 2.4 GB/s of throughput. Yet, this is fast enough that Microsoft’s confident in being able to implement features like Quick Resume and the Velocity Architecture. With storage that’s so fast the system’s already running into other bottlenecks on both platforms, there isn’t much more that the PS5’s SSD can do in practical terms.
At the end of the day, both the PS5 and Xbox Series X deliver a genuine generational leap over eighth-gen consoles, and that’s something to look forward to. However, at least this generation, Sony will be on the back foot with respect to performance, and no amount of spin is likely to change that.
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They are similar in power? Um, no. Not by a long shot.
This is before the RT, Mesh Shading, VRS, audio offloading, Velocity Architecture SSD RAM, DX12U, etc.
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From a hardware perspective and what we know for a fact, the PS5 is not the obvious choice at all. . We still don't know if it is full RDNA 2. It is essentially 3 TF lower on power. Its Ray tracing ability is inferior. Xbox has shown things like instant resume. It has dynamic latency input.
As of right now, the XSX is the obvious choice from a hardware point of view.
MS has been much more transparent, which communicates confidence
So 120 GB is not larger than 100 GB? Good to know. If you'd prefer, at 2GB/sec, a 7 minute nurburgring run streamed in entirely from SSD would take 840GB.
You're asking the wrong question. I'm not saying it won't have an impact. Load times are done. Loading in levels will be near instant. It's the people who say that the 5GB/sec will have demonstrable gameplay effects vs the 2GB/sec being loading times who should explain how. Your can't stream the whole game from SSD - even the slower base speed from the xsx would stream through all 100 gb of gt in under a minute. Sustained continuous read/write matters when you do continuous read it writes - load, install, resume from suspend.
For load times and quick travel, faster installs, that sustained speed matters. The speed for random io is what will have more impact, and I imagine but will be more than sufficient.
They focused on power only because they have the advantage this gen. Depending on just how good the AI upscaling works the difference might be negligible. Most gamers are going to choose Sony because they have a better track record with exclusives.
This is bulls*** too. Stop spreading fud my guy. Do some research. Jfc
Some gamers care about it but we know its not all about that. If it was the past few years would be dominated by X1X and PS5 Pros instead of the Nintendo Switch.
But depending on console of choice power is either entire story or irrelevant.
That isn't what you said. You said, "more than double the install size." Which was flatout wrong.
I'm not asking the wrong question. It is a great question, going by your comments they spent extra money on something that has no real world benefit. Which we know is unlikely due to the fact they are always trying to build these consoles as cheaply as possible.
We have no idea how big next gen games will be, or how large worlds will be. Hell, building game worlds could change massively due not needing to mask loading times. Imagine GTA5 where every building is accessable, sewer system is all accessable.Imagine Division 1 where all DLC wasn't seperate and was just one huge interconnected world.Not to mention VR
Problem is people are only thinking in basic old ways. No game has ever been created with this kind of accessabilty in mind. Devs are saying it is game changind. Cerny already demoed how movement can be effected.
XSX clock don't go that highThey are similar in power? Um, no. Not by a long shot.
If you read the article Val, the author points out that if Series X were to go by the same metric with variables as the PS5 (boost mode) then theoretically the Series X would average out to about 14TF. Its just an example..
Lucky for you then I guess. I doubt you could handle it anyway. Lol
Wow, would you look at that.It’s an opinion piece, but they make good points:
The Playstation 5’s “no loading” SSD is a gimmick: here’s why
During Sony’s announcement of the PlayStation 5’s key specifications, the console maker lavished a lot of attention on the PS5’s new SSD. While the 5.5 GB/s storage solution is blazing fast, it is not a cure-all for other, fundamental compromises in the PlayStation 5’s architecture relative to...
The Playstation 5’s “no loading” SSD is a gimmick: here’s why
Yes, the PlayStation 5 features the single fastest consumer storage solution on the market, if you don’t count insane PCIe Gen4 striped RAID configurations. While faster storage is always a good thing, the PS5’s 825 GB SSD is not a cure-all for other deficiencies and compromises in its configuration.
During the PlayStation 5 spec reveal, Sony chose to draw attention away from the PlayStation 5’s graphics performance. One way it did this was by indicating that higher clock speeds may result in better than linear performance scaling, something that’s been conclusively ruled out for RDNA. Another way was by touting the PS5’s unusually fast SSD storage solution as a fundamental game changer. However, looking at the PC experience, and considering the fact that games have been authored with SSDs in mind for quite some time now, the real-world impact of that 5.5 GB/s storage solution might not be anywhere near as massive.
Let’s consider load times. The greatest supposed benefit of the PS5’s SSD is the complete elimination of load times from open world games. This operates under the assumption that I/O transfers are all that goes on when you’re presented with a loading screen. It’s important to recognise that a lot of CPU and GPU-intensive functions take place while loading too. Kingdom Come: Deliverance, a 2017 title built with the next-gen in mind, features advanced AI routines. Even running on SSD storage, certain actions like the in-game “wait” or “sleep” functions can take over 30 seconds. Why is this? It takes this long, even for Zen 2CPU cores, to compute the AI routines and dynamic events happening offscreen during a loading period.
This is also why, in the PC space, NVMe SSDs have next to no tangible impact on gaming performance vis-a-via far slower SATA SSDs. SATA SSDs generally cut load times in half or more relative to SSDs. NVMe SSDs, though, rarely shave off more than a second or two beyond that. This is because the rest of the loading process is not I/O bound.
Claims that the PS5’s SSD will magically translate into better graphics performance relative to the Xbox Series X are even farther from the truth. Both the PS5 and the Xbox Series X have extremely fast storage solutions that, in the current scenario are well into the diminishing returns end of the storage speed spectrum.
The Xbox Series X has an SSD that delivers “only” 2.4 GB/s of throughput. Yet, this is fast enough that Microsoft’s confident in being able to implement features like Quick Resume and the Velocity Architecture. With storage that’s so fast the system’s already running into other bottlenecks on both platforms, there isn’t much more that the PS5’s SSD can do in practical terms.
At the end of the day, both the PS5 and Xbox Series X deliver a genuine generational leap over eighth-gen consoles, and that’s something to look forward to. However, at least this generation, Sony will be on the back foot with respect to performance, and no amount of spin is likely to change that.
It is funny remembering the power arguments at the start of this gean. I played the OG X1 for like 7 years, been playing PS4 slim for 4 months, and I haven't noticed anything different generally.
No sh!t because they aren't that crazy. To be honest, the PS5 won't sustain that in most cases either. It will be way too hot. The upclock reeks of desperation, if you ask me.
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