Official Thread Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
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My theory is that Warzone 2 is the game they want to push. They want the 6v6 to be for the lower skilled players, plus most WZ players will buy it just to level up the guns. They know WZ is the money maker with microtransactions.
Warzone 2 looks terrible, though.
-A bigger map for less players.
-A dumb zone splitting mechanic.
-Pointless A.I all over the place.
-A garbage 2v2 Gulag.
- A horrible loot system change.
- A dumb armour plate system.
Going to try out the MP this evening after work.
Have to agree the changes to Warzone have me worried.
Have to agree the changes to Warzone have me worried.
I'm not a huge WZ player, but the 2v2 gulag seems weird? So I'm in a solo match and have a rando teammate?
Also the AI bots seems weird. Saw gameplay with Invasion too which is 20v20 but with additional bots on each team. The bots look pretty dumb, and mostly just stand there and let you shoot them (from what I saw). People will just be farming kills off bots in these modes.
This whole game seems like the design philosophy was "change up everything for the sake of it". I don't think they needed such a radical departure from what worked. So many of their changes just seem random and pointless.
It isn't like there's direct FPS competition with anything big landing anytime soon.
Also the AI bots seems weird. Saw gameplay with Invasion too which is 20v20 but with additional bots on each team. The bots look pretty dumb, and mostly just stand there and let you shoot them (from what I saw). People will just be farming kills off bots in these modes.
This whole game seems like the design philosophy was "change up everything for the sake of it". I don't think they needed such a radical departure from what worked. So many of their changes just seem random and pointless.
It isn't like there's direct FPS competition with anything big landing anytime soon.
Its funny, at COD Next they really drove home how they listened to community feedback, but nobody asked for any of this. Same with the main game.
That hacker vid is fascinating! It's nice to see actual proof of hacking instead of just a replay from an accuser's point of view.
Now the question is whether Xbox users can disable crossplay?
Now the question is whether Xbox users can disable crossplay?
With WZ I just wanted a better map, maybe harder/cost a lot more to get your own loadout/perks, better footstep audio, take out the gulag completely just let your teammates get you back someway, cut down on more of the hackers, cut down on the SBMM.
For me, Loadouts should either be you drop in with them or you remove them, the whole spend 5 to 10 mins to find cash is dull.
Not just a better map, but a smaller map.
There seems to be lots of bugs leveling guns still. The M4 sticks not long in, and the 74u never gives you anything. I got a bunch of M4 attachments and suddenly it just stopped.
I'm really worried about the camping. It is so easy to set up on a 2nd floor and hold a position. Nobody can sneak up on you without making noise, and you can pretty much just watch all the angles. I went 10-2 doing that and it felt so gross. The only way to move in this game is crouch walk and that is so slow.
The footsteps are just so loud that it is difficult to get around. I fear they made this for warzone and didn't really think about 6v6.
Invasion seems more fun.
I'm really worried about the camping. It is so easy to set up on a 2nd floor and hold a position. Nobody can sneak up on you without making noise, and you can pretty much just watch all the angles. I went 10-2 doing that and it felt so gross. The only way to move in this game is crouch walk and that is so slow.
The footsteps are just so loud that it is difficult to get around. I fear they made this for warzone and didn't really think about 6v6.
Invasion seems more fun.
I wish my TV supported 120. But I really like my TV so I haven’t upgraded yet.
That's why I didn't upgrade mine.
But mine has got some issues developing now so next year I'll be going 4K.
I might finally upgrade next year too. I'm sticking with a Sony TV.
Of course it’s and they won’t listen to their consumers.
I was checking out Doc on youtube a little and I was amazed at how many people in his stream were asking him what SBMM is.
Honestly I don't think people know it exists, and I don't think the ones who do get how broken it is.
In MW2019 I think I had a 30% win rate. How is that "skill based"?
Honestly I don't think people know it exists, and I don't think the ones who do get how broken it is.
In MW2019 I think I had a 30% win rate. How is that "skill based"?
It is terribly implemented and doesn't actually do what it is supposed to. SBMM isn't supposed to throw you to the wolves like it does in COD. Good SBMM is invisible. COD's throws you to the ground, kicks you in balls, and spits in your face for ever daring to have fun.
Like Menace said, it is the broken implementation. SBMM in general can be a good thing. As an older gamer, I almost can't play non-SBMM games anymore. I jump into games like Destiny and just get crushed. Sometimes I don't even get enough kills to get credit for the match, as they think I'm AFK. I can't hang with the general gamer population anymore in most games. In my 20s I was above average on my best day.
All we need is a tier system like sports leagues. Still a range of skill, just not what COD does. Other games handle this mostly fine. Games like Overwatch or Rainbow 6 you may see people a rank above or below, or maybe 2 in extreme cases, but then they usually try to balance those out on teams.
COD has a ton of players and should in theory be able to have a great population to pull from, but it doesn't work that way.
We got a group of 5 going today. Same thing we would get some good matches having some fun, then all of a sudden we’d go against an entire team that would wreck us. Damn this is annoying because I like the game outside of that.
Honestly what is killing me is the audio. I'm on the big Museum map, and I know someone is inside. I creep up along back. I'm walking while ADS-ing, so moving very slowly. I round the corner and BANG DEAD. The killcam shows the guy hearing me through the walls easily. I wasn't running or even walking normal speed. There's a field upgrade that is a portable radar too that is just easy to use.
The only way to move quietly is crouch walking, which takes an eternity.
And yeah, if you run into a squad of tryhards working together you are in for a rough match.
I was actually going to just buy it but now I'm back on the fence. The only decent mode is invasion or ground war. At least there's so much going on that the sound isn't critical.
The only way to move quietly is crouch walking, which takes an eternity.
And yeah, if you run into a squad of tryhards working together you are in for a rough match.
I was actually going to just buy it but now I'm back on the fence. The only decent mode is invasion or ground war. At least there's so much going on that the sound isn't critical.
I’m fine with the audio because the audio in WZ was frustrating as hell, this gives me hope for the new MP/WZ2 going forward.
Yeah honestly I think they built this game with WZ in mind.
The bigger modes in MP play a ton better than 6v6 too. Invasion is fun because there's tons of sound and people can't really track you. Of course there's less SBMM too and bots so it feels a ton better.
The 6v6 just feels tacked on.
If I do buy this game (I am going to hate myself for doing it), it will be for those bigger modes.
Playing some more today. I’m really digging Ground War the more I play it. This might be my go to mode at release.