2019 Xbox E3 Conference Discussion Thread

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pravus

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But why? All they would have to say is either we aren't planning it at this time or we are exploring all platforms. Same type of thing you hear with all the other games that don't come to Xbox including games from Square. Microsoft can easily dispute this so what is there to gain?
If that's the case why have they changed their reasoning so many times?

"MS wants Xbox players to be able to opt out of crossplay" ...? I mean, this should be doable with a simple filter, but it's a fair point.

"MS doesn't allow crossplay!" - Now they do so...

"MS wants to have their own separate servers" - Not required so...

"MS doesn't allow developers to skip certification so they can release patches same date as PC..." - Now they allow exceptions so...

And now..?

"MS doesn't allow crosschat?" I don't think thats even true... wtf? They only allow crosschat with FPS games? Huh? Does FF XIV even have voice chat? Lol

I'm just saying, don't be surprised when they have some other reason why it's not coming.

Also, take note the game isn't on Switch either even though they've claimed they want it there, yet none of those Xbox specific reasons apply there at all. What is their excuse there?
 
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If that's the case why have they changed their reasoning so many times?

"MS wants Xbox players to be able to opt out of crossplay" ...? I mean, this should be doable with a simple filter, but it's a fair point.

"MS doesn't allow crossplay!" - Now they do so...

"MS wants to have their own separate servers" - Not required so...

"MS doesn't allow developers to skip certification so they can release patches same date as PC..." - Now they allow exceptions so...

And now..?

"MS doesn't allow crosschat?" I don't think thats even true... wtf? They only allow crosschat with FPS games? Huh? Does FF XIV even have voice chat? Lol

I'm just saying, don't be surprised when they have some other reason why it's not coming.

Also, take note the game isn't on Switch either even though they've claimed they want it there, yet none of those Xbox specific reasons apply there at all. What is their excuse there?
I have no idea but I'm saying there is no incentive to lie. Especially when you specifically say you spoke to Phil Spencer about it. No chance that is not true.
 
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I have no idea but I'm saying there is no incentive to lie. Especially when you specifically say you spoke to Phil Spencer about it. No chance that is not true.
Now would be an optimal time for Phil to clear the air then if it's true.. it seems to me he's always put whatever their errors are on his back and owned up to them on pretty much every topic; it seems odd that this would be an exception.

The whole situation is just completely f***ing odd; a lot of what Yoshida says either doesn't make sense or seems to fly in the face of common knowledge. My main gripe though is that for each of those things I listed, he claimed that was the reason it wasn't coming at the time, I'm sure I missed a few but here we are like 6 years later and now he's claiming you can't crosschat? Not even voice... text chat. The very first Xbox crossplay games allowed that.
 

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Also, take note the game isn't on Switch either even though they've claimed they want it there, yet none of those Xbox specific reasons apply there at all. What is their excuse there?
Phil Spencer refuses to send them a Switch dev kit. So much for him not being caught up in platform warz.
 

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Now would be an optimal time for Phil to clear the air then if it's true.. it seems to me he's always put whatever their errors are on his back and owned up to them on pretty much every topic; it seems odd that this would be an exception.

The whole situation is just completely f***ing odd; a lot of what Yoshida says either doesn't make sense or seems to fly in the face of common knowledge. My main gripe though is that for each of those things I listed, he claimed that was the reason it wasn't coming at the time, I'm sure I missed a few but here we are like 6 years later and now he's claiming you can't crosschat? Not even voice... text chat. The very first Xbox crossplay games allowed that.
Everything he said in the past was true though
 

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Everything he said in the past was true though
Well it's not like he said each those things at the same time. My point is that each time a previous reason clearly ceased to be a valid reason anymore he simply found a new reason.

Whatever the case, I stick to what I said initially, lets just wait and see what his new reason why it isn't on Xbox and Switch in 6 months. We already know it's not going to be 'users can't text chat'.
 

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Well it's not like he said each those things at the same time. My point is that each time a previous reason clearly ceased to be a valid reason anymore he simply found a new reason.

Whatever the case, I stick to what I said initially, lets just wait and see what his new reason why it isn't on Xbox and Switch in 6 months. We already know it's not going to be 'users can't text chat'.
Well when you start and you can't have crossplay and that's a deal breaker no other reason really needed to be given. They all fall under the same umbrella anyway so its not like any goal posts are moving.

He has said they ran into problems with Sony as well in past
 
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Well when you start and you can't have crossplay and that's a deal breaker no other reason really needed to be given. They all fall under the same umbrella anyway so its not like any goal posts are moving.

He has said they ran into problems with Sony as well in past
I understand that it's their prerogative, but Deal Breaker? It's not like it's something they couldn't have bent on, they just didn't want to and I don't fault them for that. Every MMO that wanted to come to console likely wanted crossplay yet plenty have made it without.

And yeah, it's not quite goalpsots, it's the same umbrella sure but the guy clearly isn't consistent. You can't have a different answer every damn time someone asks you the same question.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-It's invite only and you didn't RSVP.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-Dude it's a 'White Party' you're wearing beige, no mullets either.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-Nice clothes, unfortunately it's also couples only, sorry.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-Your date is quite fine but is she DTF everyone in here? This is a swingers club, we probably could've said all of this the first time. Also going to need to bring your own lube, water-based only.

He keeps saying "this is the reason it's not happening". He could've said all of these things 6 years ago and maybe it wouldn't look like he's just finding excuses.
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Also,

"Nintendo Switch".
-Yoshida: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"Nintendo Switch"
-Yoshida: something something Xbox

"Nintendo Switch".
-Yoshida: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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In all honesty, I was almost convinced that when MS conceded to allow certain developers with great track records to skip certification that the wait was finally over.

Almost.
 

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I understand that it's their prerogative, but Deal Breaker? It's not like it's something they couldn't have bent on, they just didn't want to and I don't fault them for that. Every MMO that wanted to come to console likely wanted crossplay yet plenty have made it without.

And yeah, it's not quite goalpsots, it's the same umbrella sure but the guy clearly isn't consistent. You can't have a different answer every damn time someone asks you the same question.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-It's invite only and you didn't RSVP.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-Dude it's a 'White Party' you're wearing beige, no mullets either.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-Nice clothes, unfortunately it's also couples only, sorry.

"Why can't I come in the club"
-Your date is quite fine but is she DTF everyone in here? This is a swingers club, we probably could've said all of this the first time. Also going to need to bring your own lube, water-based only.

He keeps saying "this is the reason it's not happening". He could've said all of these things 6 years ago and maybe it wouldn't look like he's just finding excuses.
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Also,

"Nintendo Switch".
-Yoshida: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"Nintendo Switch"
-Yoshida: something something Xbox

"Nintendo Switch".
-Yoshida: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well its a deal breaker for them. Whether it should be or not is another question but they have been consistent on the message that cross play with no compromises is what they want. The reasons have been 100% consistent with that.
 

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Well its a deal breaker for them. Whether it should be or not is another question but they have been consistent on the message that cross play with no compromises is what they want. The reasons have been 100% consistent with that.
It's consistent with having no compromises, sure but it sure as hell isn't consistent with answering a question with any type of finality. It's not like he's saying there's hundreds of things, but I'm only going to mention one or two of them. He's deliberately saying, "the only thing stopping is _____." Over and over.

If that's his consistency then this surely isn't his last reason why it's not coming or at the very least you and me shouldn't have any reason to believe it is, right? There is nothing here that should make anyone think otherwise.
 
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It's consistent with having no compromises, sure but it sure as hell isn't consistent with answering a question with any type of finality. It's not like he's saying there's hundreds of things, but I'm only going to mention one or two of them. He's deliberately saying, "the only thing stopping is _____." Over and over.

If that's his consistency then this surely isn't his last reason why it's not coming or at the very least you and me shouldn't have any reason to believe it is, right? There is nothing here that should make anyone think otherwise.
Its obviously consistent they are just getting into more specifics. Again if you are starting at a point where cross play is not allowed at all there really isn't anything more to say. They obviously would also have no idea what Microsoft would allow or not when Microsoft changes their stance.
 

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I can't picture a scenario where a company like MS wouldn't have all of their policy's completely detailed and completely available to any developer inquiring. Out of all possible scenarios, that seems the least likely.

As terrible as some of their ideas in the past have been, they've always been typed up NDA'd policy.
 
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I can't picture a scenario where a company like MS wouldn't have all of their policy's completely detailed and completely available to any developer inquiring. Out of all possible scenarios, that seems the least likely.
I meant before they change their stance. Hypothetically Microsoft could allow cross play but make it mandatory for every game to allow Xbox users to just play with Xbox users. They wouldn't know beforehand if a clause like that would exist until Microsoft changed their cross play stance. So there is nothing else to say at the time other than "we will only do it with cross play and Microsoft doesn't allow it"
 

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All of those things I listed were wildy known since the 360 days.

Except for the "no cross chat" because thats either a mistranslation or just completely made up.
 

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All of those things I listed were wildy known since the 360 days.

Except for the "no cross chat" because thats either a mistranslation or just completely made up.
I'm saying they wouldn't know what clauses would still remain if they ever changed on cross play. The bottom line was cross play wasn't allowed and as long as that was the case nothing else really mattered.

And really there is no new excuse. They want full cross play and according to them they still can't do it. So its the same excuse.
 

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I will say this once. SQUARE is full of it.
Well its not Square saying this its one guy but no chance. You don't keep saying you are talking with Phil Spencer if you aren't. Too easy to dispute and I'm sure Phil wouldn't be thrilled if he was telling lies and therefore Square wouldn't allow it.

There are issues in place preventing them from doing the game the way they want. No doubt about it.