Bonus Round: Time up for Xbox one?

completely agree with pachter on the Kinect.

Don't agree with waiting till next year to remove the Kinect.

A non Kinect bundle for $374.99 with a 2tb hdd for the holidays would sell like hot cakes and fly off the shelves. $399.99 for the Halo 2 Anniversary bundle :-p

The Kinect bundle with a 1b hdd for $449.99 for those interested.

Kinect solo priced $79.99-89.99

Mattrick was poison to the xbox brand.
 
I tend to agree wtih both Pachter and Garnett in different ways.

MS needs to decide what to do with the Kinect. Either they need to do what Pachter suggests and just unpack it and lower the price.
OR
They need to do what Garnett suggests and actually show people what it can do. Which to this point they haven't done at all.
Either show that it has value or let it go.
 
Sony's time is up. Their days at the top are numbered.
Yep. The real issue isn't XBox,its if Sony can support all their platforms before the s***storm might one day do them in for good. Those financials of theirs are the real headlines.
 
completely agree with pachter on the Kinect.

Don't agree with waiting till next year to remove the Kinect.

A non Kinect bundle for $374.99 with a 2tb hdd for the holidays would sell like hot cakes and fly off the shelves. $399.99 for the Halo 2 Anniversary bundle :-p

The Kinect bundle with a 1b hdd for $449.99 for those interested.

Kinect solo priced $79.99-89.99

Mattrick was poison to the xbox brand.

Pachter said it, so that means Kinectless Sku is never happening ;) I also do not get where Pachter got this arrogance stuff from ? MS has a product, it has a cost, it needs to break even or better. I really do not see where he got this arrogance from.
 
Pachter said it, so that means Kinectless Sku is never happening ;) I also do not get where Pachter got this arrogance stuff from ? MS has a product, it has a cost, it needs to break even or better. I really do not see where he got this arrogance from.

I'm sure most won't agree with me, but to me it seems it was pretty arrogant of Microsoft to include the Kinect 2.0 when only 1/3 of the 360 user base actually showed interest in Kinect and then priced it at $499 when the more powerful hardware was $100 cheaper and expect it to outsell the competition.

but then again, I don't know whether to call that arrogance or incompetency.

I mean, imagine If the xb1 was launched with multiple skus, one being with a price point of $374.99-$399 with a no Kinect and a 2TB harddrive, and the Xbox's current game line-up?

It would have been killer
 
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Pachter said it, so that means Kinectless Sku is never happening ;) I also do not get where Pachter got this arrogance stuff from ? MS has a product, it has a cost, it needs to break even or better. I really do not see where he got this arrogance from.
Agreed. Im not seeing the arrogance he spoke of. Not really sure what he's getting at. And w/ Twitch, its just one more reason to have Kinect bundled, not to mention "Xbox Record that" and other uses. The longer the Kinect stays packed in with the XBO, the more chances of it NOT leaving the equation. I just seriously dont see it happening. I do see a price drop in the cards though.
 
More doom and gloom bulls***? The console has been out for what, four months?
 
I have been saying for the longest time that we need to see more meaningful way kinect enhance games, or games that are so cool that can only be done with kinect.
 
I dont know. We are talking about a company that has A LOT of money to make some HUGE changes and the ability to bring along more innovative ideas. I also think too many people are counting Microsoft out a little too early. If this were one year into the new generation, then I could see some of the "doom and gloom" posts and opinions. But as it stands right now, there are entirely too many variables and ample time to make many things happen that could turn the tides. Im still of the belief that the XBO was rushed to market and DX12 could be a game changer. This isnt even counting the fact that Microsoft could actually drop the price and announce that during E3. This is still a new generation that has just started.

And if Microsoft decided to do a price drop around E3, can we really see Sony doing the same?, seeing as they are already taking a loss on the 4 and hemorrhaging money through most of the company? At this point, if Sony decided to drop the price of $399 due to Microsoft doing the same, it would seem a good move at first, but ultimately committing suicide later on. Im not sure Sony could afford it.
 
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I 100% agree with them... I still can't believe the Xbox one ever got released ...who, who I ask at MS thought it was a good idea to release a system that can't produce graphics barely above its 8 year old predecessor. Drop senseless Kinect garbage asap and drop the price to 299.99 About the real worth of the tech where getting and have a 3 year life cycle Xbox 2 in 2016 or 2017
 
I 100% agree with them... I still can't believe the Xbox one ever got released ...who, who I ask at MS thought it was a good idea to release a system that can't produce graphics barely above its 8 year old predecessor. Drop senseless Kinect garbage asap and drop the price to 299.99 About the real worth of the tech where getting and have a 3 year life cycle Xbox 2 in 2016 or 2017
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Clickbait title. For shame, Geof. One month of subpar sales, and it's over? lol. Time to pack it up, MS!
 
Dropping Kinect just drops any edge the Xbox One has and leaves MS with a poor performing PS4. So even if dropping Kinect can get the XBO priced $25 under PS4, is that really going to stimulate sales?

Sony is selling PS4 cameras like hot cakes so it is apparently a feature consumers see value in. If MS can bring their bigger vision of Kinect to life it could be a game changer.
 
Did some of you see the video, its not groom & doom as suggested by the title.

What was discussed, & said sound pretty reasonable, mostly agreeable (by me at least).
 
I'm sure most won't agree with me, but to me it seems it was pretty arrogant of Microsoft to include the Kinect 2.0 when only 1/3 of the 360 user base actually showed interest in Kinect and then priced it at $499 when the more powerful hardware was $100 cheaper and expect it to outsell the competition.

but then again, I don't know whether to call that arrogance or incompetency.

I mean, imagine If the xb1 was launched with multiple skus, one being with a price point of $374.99-$399 with a no Kinect and a 2TB harddrive, and the Xbox's current game line-up?

It would have been killer

But again there goal is to make money. Not try and react to Sony. Both companies can take a different path to success. Just like the Xbox 360 and PS3 did.

That is why after 4 months anyone saying it is over or MS should be worried is stupid. Just plain stupid.

I remember in 2007 when Sony was supposed to be down and out and not making games by 2010. 80 million PS3's later and a new console says otherwise. The generation will have ups and downs and good and bad decision.

For f*** sake they are within 2.5 million consoles from each other.
 
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I think alot of folks who whine about Xbox one not looking better then the 360 have forgotten about the beginning of last Gen. I remember clearly not being blown away by the 360 when I first got it having just come off chaos theory and Riddick. Low and behold Gears comes out and it looks amazing. Give it time, at least this generation we already have Ryse to show off some amazing graphics on the one.
 
But again there goal is to make money. Not try and react to Sony. Both companies can take a different path to success. Just like the Xbox 360 and PS3 did.

That is why after 4 months anyone saying it is over or MS should be worried is stupid. Just plain stupid.

I remember in 2007 when Sony was supposed to be down and out and not making games by 2010. 80 million PS3's later and a new console says otherwise. The generation will have ups and downs and good and bad decision.

For f*** sake they are within 2.5 million consoles from each other.

and the gap is only widening. What if Titanfal barely moves hardware? especially since there is a 360 version.

They have an image problem. You don't "wait and see" when you have an image problem. You respond immediately.

and you're right the goal is to make money. But if you are losing userbase to the competitor you are losing money. Look, the xb1doesn't have to sell the most to make money for Microsoft. But they are going to take a hit from having less xbl subscribers, less ad revenue since less eyes to see the ads, and less content purchases.
 
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Interesting discussion in that video. Did Geoff really not know that Titanfall is also coming to the PC?
 
and the gap is only widening. What if Titanfal barely moves hardware?

There is already some evidence of this...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014-03/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar?tag=viglink129408-20

They have an image problem. You don't "wait and see" when you have an image problem. You respond immediately.

You hit the nail on the head. They have a serious image problem. Charging more money for weaker hardware will do that to you.

The video is very interesting. I didn't realize that this whole forced Kinect/DRM/Online-check-in business was all Don Mattrick's doing and that his ultimate goal was really to get us all using Skype. Makes sense. I'm glad he got kicked out.
 
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That's what I was thinking. Pachter had to mention that there was a 360 version.

I was really amazed. Geoff is the most popular face of video game reporting lately, and he specifically states that Titanfall will not be available on Windows in that video. I bet the other two guys were looking at him like o_O.
 
There's no way I'd count MS out or under-estimate them. This is the company that reached parity with the market dominator last generation -- stole a huge chunk of their market and cut their smug dominance right out from under them (with cooperation from Sony, of course). MS has made some blunders, but they've also shown that they are pretty quick to correct course when they need to. And let's not forget their deep, deep pockets. They can shovel money at the problem in a way Sony can never do. They also seem to have their pulse on the dudebro online shooter crowd (Gears, Halo, Titanfall), which is a powerful sales advantage, once the more casual gamers get plugged in. So I wouldn't underestimate them at all. They are a powerful competitor and will not sit by idly by while Sony runs away with the crown.
 
Holy Christ people are so quick to want to jump to conclusions it is pathetic. Xbox one has sold nearly 4 million console in 4 months and in only 13 territories. Any other gen that would be a record amount of sales at launch. Just because the Xbox one is not selling as well as the PS4 doesn't mean it's dead. MS can have a very successful generation even if the PS4 greatly outsells it.

The PS3 was dead early last gen and $200 more than the 360 and throughout last gen had multiplats then ran worse framerates and lower resolutions and it ended up doing fine. You'd think people would realize this. MS has been alot quicker to turn around bad policies than Sony was with the PS3, it took them years to recover.

It is completely insane to declare the Xbox one dead after only 4 months when it is the second fastest selling console ever at launch. My god the hyperbole going around now to get ad dollars clicks on crappy sensationalistic gaming news is pathetic.

Removing Kinect will be a huge mistake cause then we are left with a weaker PS4 and that's about it. At least the Xbox one has something to differentiate itself, I use kinect everyday and it is the hub of my AV system.

I'd rather just see them stick to their guns and accept less overall sales then try and get into a sales war. The Xbox one can do just fine being the second highest selling console this gen.
 
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There's no way I'd count MS out or under-estimate them. This is the company that reached parity with the market dominator last generation -- stole a huge chunk of their market and cut their smug dominance right out from under them (with cooperation from Sony, of course). MS has made some blunders, but they've also shown that they are pretty quick to correct course when they need to. And let's not forget their deep, deep pockets. They can shovel money at the problem in a way Sony can never do. They also seem to have their pulse on the dudebro online shooter crowd (Gears, Halo, Titanfall), which is a powerful sales advantage, once the more casual gamers get plugged in. So I wouldn't underestimate them at all. They are a powerful competitor and will not sit by idly by while Sony runs away with the crown.

I definitely wouldn't count them out. Desperate Microsoft is best Microsoft. They have been amazing the last 6 months, especially in the last 3-4, actually listening to he community and taking everything into consideration unlike all the bulls*** and ignoring when Mattrick was at the helm. When the negative buzz was already in existence and on the rise prior to the May announcement, and the outright negative press after the announcement through E3, they couldn't even get a clear message out.

Phil Spencer has done an amazing job conversing with the community and bringing games. The dude loves video games. Imo, he is the face of Xbox right now. He understands both the business and the community. It's something the xbox division has been seriously lacking in terms of leadership for years.
 
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I'm no market analyst :laugh: But I think the best thing Microsoft could do is slash $100 off the system at E3.

Most likely won't happen. But is there one legitimate reason why this console should be $100 more than their competition?
 
Another troll bait thread. I think everyone and their pet ferret knows 'ol Zombies hates Kinect, and Pachter has no better track record at forcasting than Geof Keighley. Of course then comes trotting in a hand full of troll hanger-ons to volunteer their two-cents worth. It goes without saying that Microsoft had a pretty screwed up vision of what their next-gen console was suppose to be, and tried cram too much into just one SKU. Yet that's what they're stuck with, and it still might work IF they can bring down the price. Otherwise, a more draconian solution may just well be in the offing, somewhere down the road.