Call of Duty: Modern Warfare/Warzone (2019)

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
It definitely comes down to playstyle. There's no "best" loadout, you want what works for your play. If you are running and gunning aggressively, you want ADS speed and sprint to fire speed. This is what the Youtubers like because they are going from sprinting to shooting a lot. If you watch Mr Fruit, he's always running and firing, so these stats are big for him.

For me, I am pre-aiming a ton more, and more of my engagements are at longer ranges. I'm not straight up camping, but I'm not playing the way the run and gun people play. I'm older and I'm using map knowledge and experience to pre-aim more than using my straight up reaction times.

I prefer recoil control and damage. I have an M4 variant with the M16 barrel that hits like a truck and has basically zero recoil. It loses some ADS speed but that's not my style anyway.

This is why you have to be cautious with Youtube "pro tips". Sometimes their tips are just meant for an entirely different playstyle. In this game, you definitely want to set the gun up for you.

If I am on a very small map where ADS speed matters a ton, I'm using the MP5 or Aug anyway which is faster anyway.
 

lowdru2k

TXB member 2002-2013
Sep 13, 2013
5,639
1,887
2,720
Southeast Texas
We noticed a glitch last night when you search for a match in Shipment 24/7 whatever mode you get it will keep giving you that mode over and over. So we would back out till we got Dom. I feel like Dom has more manageable spawns out of all the modes. Just hold C and B flag.
 

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
Shipment is just an XP farm. It isn't even a game. You just spawn, kill die, and go 50 and 50 in 30 seconds. If you spawn in a lucky spot where you can back into a corner, you go on a streak. If you spawn in the middle, you get spawn killed 10 times in a row.

The skill based matchmaking is killing me. I end up in lobbies with players who are absolute monsters with snap headshots. I'm just against top tier players all the time. Meanwhile my teammates hear "enemy airstrike incoming" and sprint outside. I had a teammate go 3-24 on Crash. How do you even die that quickly on such a big map?
 

lowdru2k

TXB member 2002-2013
Sep 13, 2013
5,639
1,887
2,720
Southeast Texas
Shipment is just an XP farm. It isn't even a game. You just spawn, kill die, and go 50 and 50 in 30 seconds. If you spawn in a lucky spot where you can back into a corner, you go on a streak. If you spawn in the middle, you get spawn killed 10 times in a row.

The skill based matchmaking is killing me. I end up in lobbies with players who are absolute monsters with snap headshots. I'm just against top tier players all the time. Meanwhile my teammates hear "enemy airstrike incoming" and sprint outside. I had a teammate go 3-24 on Crash. How do you even die that quickly on such a big map?
I had a 74-18 match on Dom Shipment the other night. You just gotta be quick and shoot down the spawn lanes on either side.
 

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
I had a 74-18 match on Dom Shipment the other night. You just gotta be quick and shoot down the spawn lanes on either side.
I have never come close to a great game like that on any map. I'm always up against players with god like aim (usually on PS4).

On Shipment my teammates spawn right on top of enemies. I die so many times because I see a friendly tag over someone only to see an enemy in the same spot. Even if I spawn in the corner, someone is prone with an SMG right behind me.
 

menace-uk-

Division Agent
Sep 11, 2013
24,250
4,808
3,930
I have never come close to a great game like that on any map. I'm always up against players with god like aim (usually on PS4).

On Shipment my teammates spawn right on top of enemies. I die so many times because I see a friendly tag over someone only to see an enemy in the same spot. Even if I spawn in the corner, someone is prone with an SMG right behind me.
Yep. The map is s***. It isn't even a map, it is just a killbox.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Kerosene31

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
Is anyone else stuck in this loop? My weekly stats (basically this weekend) are 13 wins and 26 losses. I'm losing 3 out of 4.

I don't know what to do. Am I just getting too old for these games? Or is skill based matchmaking just crushing me? It isn't fun.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tumorman

D-V-ANT

A mentally stable genius
Cornerstone Member
Sep 11, 2013
8,657
1,639
12,830
Eire
Shipment is the best map they have ever done. Especially on Hardcore mode. It’s absolute carnage. TDM matches are over in less than a minute :laugh: In one match I played recently I managed to wipe out most of my own in the first 10 seconds with a particularly awesome grenade throw.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Viktor and lowdru2k

lowdru2k

TXB member 2002-2013
Sep 13, 2013
5,639
1,887
2,720
Southeast Texas
Is anyone else stuck in this loop? My weekly stats (basically this weekend) are 13 wins and 26 losses. I'm losing 3 out of 4.

I don't know what to do. Am I just getting too old for these games? Or is skill based matchmaking just crushing me? It isn't fun.
Could be, or the way you play or just playing solo. I always play with a group. If I am solo I’ll play Gunfight.
 

lowdru2k

TXB member 2002-2013
Sep 13, 2013
5,639
1,887
2,720
Southeast Texas
Shipment is the best map they have ever done. Especially on Hardcore mode. It’s absolute carnage. TDM matches are over in less than a minute :laugh: In one match I played recently I managed to wipe out most of my own in the first 10 seconds with a particularly awesome grenade throw.
My son and I played Shipment Dom this morning. I was running around with my MP5 and throwing thermites. Wheelson can rack up a lot of kills just drive it into the corner of their spawn lol. Love the map can go positive almost every time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: D-V-ANT

menace-uk-

Division Agent
Sep 11, 2013
24,250
4,808
3,930
Shipment is the best map they have ever done. Especially on Hardcore mode. It’s absolute carnage. TDM matches are over in less than a minute :laugh: In one match I played recently I managed to wipe out most of my own in the first 10 seconds with a particularly awesome grenade throw.
This is grounds for friend list removele.
 

menace-uk-

Division Agent
Sep 11, 2013
24,250
4,808
3,930
Is anyone else stuck in this loop? My weekly stats (basically this weekend) are 13 wins and 26 losses. I'm losing 3 out of 4.

I don't know what to do. Am I just getting too old for these games? Or is skill based matchmaking just crushing me? It isn't fun.
You're getting too old.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Kerosene31

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
I don't understand how people can like Shipment. If I spawn in the corner I have a chance to get 1-2 kills before I die. If I spawn away from the corners, I'm dead.

That's not even a game. I could put rubber bands on the controller and trigger and do almost as well.

This game still makes me rage. Was playing Gunfight with randos and I got paired with a level 4. Level flippin 4. This dude bought the game an hour ago and he's on my team. The other team is 100+
 

lowdru2k

TXB member 2002-2013
Sep 13, 2013
5,639
1,887
2,720
Southeast Texas
I don't understand how people can like Shipment. If I spawn in the corner I have a chance to get 1-2 kills before I die. If I spawn away from the corners, I'm dead.

That's not even a game. I could put rubber bands on the controller and trigger and do almost as well.

This game still makes me rage. Was playing Gunfight with randos and I got paired with a level 4. Level flippin 4. This dude bought the game an hour ago and he's on my team. The other team is 100+
Just gotta know how to play the map. I’ll get spawned killed a couple times in a row then we’ll kill them and break free then I can easily get on a 5+ kill run. Once you stack up those kill streaks every few runs then you good. Map definitely not for everyone.
 

Viktor

Well-Known Member
Cornerstone Member
Sep 11, 2013
10,717
2,222
13,930
Dubuque, IA
I actually enjoy shipment. The hardcore dom matches we played on that lowdru2k were really fun. Even just regular TDM or Kill Confirmed is good. The one mode that was worthless was hardcore HQ lol. No way you can sit on it long enough to capture.

I want my CODs to be fast and over the top honestly. This game's focus on camping and having to ADS while walking and checking the 500 windows and doors in all the maps aren't fun to me. There are other more sim style shooters I can play for that. I play COD for in your face action.
 
  • Like
Reactions: lowdru2k

lowdru2k

TXB member 2002-2013
Sep 13, 2013
5,639
1,887
2,720
Southeast Texas
I actually enjoy shipment. The hardcore dom matches we played on that lowdru2k were really fun. Even just regular TDM or Kill Confirmed is good. The one mode that was worthless was hardcore HQ lol. No way you can sit on it long enough to capture.

I want my CODs to be fast and over the top honestly. This game's focus on camping and having to ADS while walking and checking the 500 windows and doors in all the maps aren't fun to me. There are other more sim style shooters I can play for that. I play COD for in your face action.
Since playing a lot of Shipment and Shoot House lately I’ve started to not enjoy playing the regular maps anymore. Just so much camping it gets frustrating.

After everyone got offline last night I played a couple matches of Cyber Attack by myself. Fun mode I liked it.
 

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
I actually tried Groundwar for the first time since the game came out. It was actually kind of fun. Nobody seems to hunt vehicles and it is easy to do. Racked up a ton of points just firing rockets at stuff. Snipers are kind of annoying, but you expect them in a bigger mode.

I wouldn't play it all the time, but something different from the high speed run and gun stuff. If is fun to try some other guns too.

I've got an Oden set up with a suppressor that actually increases damage range. You can 2-tap people from long distance and the suppressor keeps you off the radar. There's higher recoil, but that doesn't matter if you can get 2 shots on target. Not great for the smaller maps but on bigger ones it is so good.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: menace-uk-

menace-uk-

Division Agent
Sep 11, 2013
24,250
4,808
3,930
Started playing with the Biazon SMG last night. Better than expected. The large mag as default and slight of hand perk is nice


Since playing a lot of Shipment and Shoot House lately I’ve started to not enjoy playing the regular maps anymore. Just so much camping it gets frustrating.

After everyone got offline last night I played a couple matches of Cyber Attack by myself. Fun mode I liked it.
Yeah camping is a bit overdone. I refuse to do it. I play to have fun, not be bored sitting in a corner for 10 minutes
 
  • Agree
Reactions: lowdru2k

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
Camping is tough. Being able to mount a gun on a flat surface and eliminate most recoil makes it harder. If someone half way decent has an AK mounted on a good shooting late, you're going to have a hard time aiming faster than them.

Spotter is a great anti-camper perk though. It is basically a wallhack for any kind of enemy equipment, so you can tell where claymores and mines are. You can just aim at them anywhere in the map and alert your team to them (free XP too), not to mention it shows you where vtols are and such so you can peek them and shoot them down.

Then I bring either an RPG or a Pila and start hitting windows where there are claymores. You can get so many blind kills this way. Rockets have little deviation, so you can pretty much point and shoot. I think my Pila launcher is almost gold. Easy XP shooting down killstreaks too.

There's nothing more satisfying than seeing your killcam as your rocket streaks towards that hard scoping camper. Nothing wrong with charging in the room and putting a rocket at your feet either.

The really nasty campers use the perk to limit explosive damage and don't put down claymores, but lots of them still haven't figured that out.
 

menace-uk-

Division Agent
Sep 11, 2013
24,250
4,808
3,930
Camping is tough. Being able to mount a gun on a flat surface and eliminate most recoil makes it harder. If someone half way decent has an AK mounted on a good shooting late, you're going to have a hard time aiming faster than them.

Spotter is a great anti-camper perk though. It is basically a wallhack for any kind of enemy equipment, so you can tell where claymores and mines are. You can just aim at them anywhere in the map and alert your team to them (free XP too), not to mention it shows you where vtols are and such so you can peek them and shoot them down.

Then I bring either an RPG or a Pila and start hitting windows where there are claymores. You can get so many blind kills this way. Rockets have little deviation, so you can pretty much point and shoot. I think my Pila launcher is almost gold. Easy XP shooting down killstreaks too.

There's nothing more satisfying than seeing your killcam as your rocket streaks towards that hard scoping camper. Nothing wrong with charging in the room and putting a rocket at your feet either.

The really nasty campers use the perk to limit explosive damage and don't put down claymores, but lots of them still haven't figured that out.
I run EOD, Ghost, Spotter. But I swear Ghost doesn't work.
 

Kerosene31

Cult of Osiris
Forum Mod
Supporting Member
Sep 12, 2013
9,427
2,700
3,620
Buffalo, NY
I run EOD, Ghost, Spotter. But I swear Ghost doesn't work.
The big problems are footsteps and shadows. Depending on the lighting, shadows really give people away at times. I've gotten so many kills just seeing a shadow move. I pre-fired someone in gunfight and they swore I was hacking. His shadow was in the door before he was.

Not to mention you may be running ghost, but your idiot teammate behind you isn't and has a laser on top of it.

With dead silence only being an upgrade is a real killer though. Good luck being stealthy for long in this game.

The rusher has a lot of things against them vs the camper.

Decoy grenades can be sometimes useful, but only in certain situations. You can bait a lot of good players with them though. You can at least sometimes get them peeking the other way.
 

menace-uk-

Division Agent
Sep 11, 2013
24,250
4,808
3,930
The big problems are footsteps and shadows. Depending on the lighting, shadows really give people away at times. I've gotten so many kills just seeing a shadow move. I pre-fired someone in gunfight and they swore I was hacking. His shadow was in the door before he was.

Not to mention you may be running ghost, but your idiot teammate behind you isn't and has a laser on top of it.

With dead silence only being an upgrade is a real killer though. Good luck being stealthy for long in this game.

The rusher has a lot of things against them vs the camper.

Decoy grenades can be sometimes useful, but only in certain situations. You can bait a lot of good players with them though. You can at least sometimes get them peeking the other way.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work. I was playing on Sunday, I spawned and hid well out the way to drink some coffee, about 2 mins pass and the enemy radar goes up and within a few secs a guy b lined right to me. He knew i was there as he was pre aiming before ever seeing me.It has happened alot.