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That is saying Sony makes less than the $15 AMD makes per PS4... LMFAO

2013 as well you desperate fanboy haha

The cost to manufacture goes down so AMDs cut goes down as well. But even at the top quoted 40% margin for off the shelf, and without factoring in the drop in production cost at all, it would take 75M PS4 sales to reach the initial 3B MS pumped in, not even counting royalties. And at 20% it'd be 150M
 
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It was Well known back in 2013.
Here is one of the stories:
MS to pay AMD $3 billion for Xbox One SOC

It was clear at the time that Sony got a much better deal with AMD for the PS4 than MS for the XB1.
If I remember correctly that pissed off executives at MS who went crying foul to AMD execs.

That says it was a multi year deal valued at over $3Bilion it doesn't say they paid that up front, that sounds more like that's what they expected to get over the lifetime of the deal. I'm not saying you are wrong but the way this was worded it doesn't sound like that was an up front payment.
 
Vega came out in 2017. Arcturus is not yet officially released and is just now starting to show up on HWInfo. Sounds exactly the same to me.


So all things considered, Arcturus appears to be a forthcoming Vega workstation "Radeon Instinct" type offering we'd be could be announced at SIGGRAPH or Hot Chips based on the timing. Digging through this code drop today, it further points at a compute accelerator without any 3D support, "It's because Arcturus has not 3D engine."

Arcuturus isn't a small change over Vega 20 but amounts to 102 patches to the AMDGPU kernel driver and 100,491 lines of new code. Granted, lots of that new code is auto-generated header files for the registers.



Phoronix previously discovered mentions of an unreleased AMD graphics card going by the "GFX908" ID. GFX9 is Vega and GFX10 is Navi. The Vega 20 die, in particular, has two IDs: GFX906 and GFX907. Assuming that GFX908 is Acturus, it's definitely based on Vega, but with a small twist. We know from AMD's 2017 Financial Analyst Day slide presented by Mark Papermaster that the chipmaker's post-Navi graphics products will be fabricated under the 7nm+ process node. Up to this point, Arcturus seems to be a rewarmed Vega chip coming out of the 7nm+ microwave.

The Linux code shows up to three different device IDs so we could see at least three Arcturus models at launch. Twitter user 0x22h dug deeper into the Linux code and found out that Acturus lacks display IP blocks, which means it's a pure compute graphics card making it akin to the Radeon Instinct models. We can expect the graphics card's feature set to include a benevolent amount of HBM2 memory, ECC (Error-Correcting Code) support, among other goodies. AMD currently utilizes Fiji, Polaris and Vega silicons for its Radeon Instinct graphics cards. Why the chipmaker is still selling Fiji-based products in 2019 is beyond us. Our guess is that Arcturus will most likely knock of the lower bound.

AMD could announce Arcturus at SIGGRAPH 2019 in July or Hot Chips in August. Either convention would be a great place to reveal an enterprise graphics card. As hinted in the AMD PowerPoint slide, Arcturus could launch next year.
 
The cost to manufacture goes down so AMDs cut goes down as well. But even at the top quoted 40% margin for off the shelf, and without factoring in the drop in production cost at all, it would take 75M PS4 sales to reach the initial 3B MS pumped in, not even counting royalties. And at 20% it'd be 150M
Actually it would cause what they made to go up as it became cheaper to make.
 
Actually it would cause what they made to go up as it became cheaper to make.

If they charge Sony $100 when it cost $85 to make, for example, and it then costs $35 to make, they're not going to still charge $100 - if they did, we never would have seen the price drop.
 




Since it hasn't released and we're already through two 'generations' of Vega, and since Arcturus is essentially the codename for that specific chip rather than the family, it is quite possible to be a third generation based on Vega (the 7nm+ refresh). Some recent speculation is that it's not even primarily a graphics card, but more likely to be more of an AI/compute card. I think the more reasonable thing is that whoever posted the original 'leak' suggesting that Arcturus is in the next Xbox just misunderstood the code name. The Vega series is based on GCN architecture, while Navi is RDNA architecture, and MS has already publicly said that the GPU is based on RDNA. I did see an interesting thought that maybe Arcturus could be a ray-tracing add-on (almost like a second chip) but that just seems iffy.
 
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If they charge Sony $100 when it cost $85 to make, for example, and it then costs $35 to make, they're not going to still charge $100 - if they did, we never would have seen the price drop.
That's assuming.
If they AGREED to getting a certain amount that's usually what they continue to get.
This isn't the NFL
Also Sony could be saving by the manufacturing costs of other non AMD parts going down as well.
 
Since it hasn't released and we're already through two 'generations' of Vega, and since Arcturus is essentially the codename for that specific chip rather than the family, it is quite possible to be a third generation based on Vega (the 7nm+ refresh). Some recent speculation is that it's not even primarily a graphics card, but more likely to be more of an AI/compute card. I think the more reasonable thing is that whoever posted the original 'leak' suggesting that Arcturus is in the next Xbox just misunderstood the code name. The Vega series is based on GCN architecture, while Navi is RDNA architecture, and MS has already publicly said that the GPU is based on RDNA. I did see an interesting thought that maybe Arcturus could be a ray-tracing add-on (almost like a second chip) but that just seems iffy.

Yeah that's why I was pointing out that it has been said to be Vega and Navi, his tweet just didn't make sense based on that to me.
 
If they charge Sony $100 when it cost $85 to make, for example, and it then costs $35 to make, they're not going to still charge $100 - if they did, we never would have seen the price drop.

Isn't it possible that the cost of manufacturing goes down but their fee doesn't? Wouldn't that make more sense?
 
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Good read- it’s clear Xbox is the most forward thinking, consumer friendly platform holder. For not being the market leader they are clearly pushing the industry forward to the benefit of gamers and game makers.
 
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