Is Sony one of the more resillient companies ?

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I've just noticed this recently after reading a bit about how bad the PS3 was doing early on and just how much they lost on it, but still they didn't let it die and in the end they even turned it around a lot.

I never knew how bad the PS3 was doing as I only owned a XBox back then and never followed it, but apparently they lost s*** loads on the PS3.

Also with the Vita, they were off to a really bad start and still are with it, yet they persist where probably a lesser company might of given it away. The Vita is a top little console, and hopefully they can turn it around with things like Vita TV a new cheaper Vita and just more games.

I give props to Sony, because a lesser company probably would have given it in with the PS3 and also the Vita, but still they have and are still going strong. But maybe if they stopped support, people would be less likely to buy a new console from them ?

And Yeah we got our own board now :)
 
Sony's had year after year losses in essentially all of their industries, other than video games and insurance, for nearly two decades. Resilience has little to do with it, they were just that big in the '80's and early '90's.
 
One console misfire won't kill a company like Sony. Nor Nintendo for that matter.

Honestly I'm pretty sure Sony makes most of its money from TV's, insurance and the numerous studios it owns.
 
I don't think you can call a company that had to sell assets, resilient
 
menace-uk- said:
I don't think you can call a company that had to sell assets, resilient
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They sold them to get some money to spin back in, was it a smart move, who knows. Was it a must to post an positive earnings report, yes.

Stock holders who want to sell at a marginal + will be happy at least
 
Selling a bunch of buildings and letting go a s*** load of staff isn't being resilient.
 
TAVIS206 said:
They sold them to get some money to spin back in, was it a smart move, who knows. Was it a must to post an positive earnings report, yes.

Stock holders who want to sell at a marginal + will be happy at least
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It being smart or not, or the reason why is pretty much irrelevant here. The question is resilience.

Also on your previous point about profitability. I believe their TV business is actually one of their biggest losses.
 
I'm talking about the consoles, not about this other stuff.I'm saying maybe if it were another company they might of cut it's loses and ended the consoles early as they were losing a s*** load on the PS3. I heard it was Billions, not sure if that was right though.

And also on the PS Vita, everyone says it's failing and Sony should just give up on it, but they aren't, they keep pushing it and a thing I like about them, knowing if you buy one of Sony's Consoles they will support it for a very long time no matter what.
 
Obscene Jester said:
Restructuring and doing what is needed to stay strong is exactly what that is.

Also, their new HQ looks sweet.

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No it is not. That is what you do when your company is fast becoming bankrupt.

They had to sell buildings in the US and Japan just to make the books look better. Their TV business is in a hole because South Korean manufacturers have being to competitive on price and Sony did not respond but carried on over pricing their TV's. A lot of their electronics in other areas aren't doing to well neither. When they merged all their manufacturing plants for their electronics the quality of those products suffered greatly and since then I rarely buy anything made by Sony (consoles mainly).

The PS3 nearly sunk the company IMO. Investing in the cell and it's manufacturing plant was a huge mistake, They had to strip the PS3 down in every way just so they could to lower price of the console. The PS4 has being done on a low budget, The pricing for the PS4 was done just to undercut MS not for consumer loyalty but because they need the PS4 to sell and MS are their biggest threat in the console area.

Sony were big in the 80's & 90's but failed to see the changing market. That does not sound like a resilient company to me, more like a company playing catch up.
 
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Yep Sony have been bleeding for a while now and the selling was not to stay strong it was to get money they desperately needed.
 
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Resilient isn't a bad word to describe Sony. They've weathered more than a few storms, some of which was of their own making. The console business is cut-throat and resilient is how I would describe Microsoft and Nintendo as well. However looking at console history, I'd say Nintendo is the most resilient of the 3.
 
I agree Nintendo are the most resilient out of the 3. I read somewhere that Nintendo could go on for the next 30 years without going bankrupt?
 
KaijiuGaming190 said:
I agree Nintendo are the most resilient out of the 3. I read somewhere that Nintendo could go on for the next 30 years without going bankrupt?
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Probably because they make cheap ass consoles and never really take big risks. I would love to see Nintendo just once make a true next gen Console that is on par or better then MS or Sony. Why can't they be the most powerful for once ? Because they always seem to play it safe, I don't ever see them taking big risks, they are innovative with their controllers and stuff, but never really push the graphics of their consoles.

You saw what happened when Sega bought out a true next gen Console with the Dreamcast, they died faster then anything, and was the sadest time as it was my favorite console. See Sega couldn't stay afloat and I thought the Dreamcast was selling ok, if it was Sony selling the dreamcast, it would have lasted a lot longer.
 
Johnmiceter said:
Probably because they make cheap ass consoles and never really take big risks. I would love to see Nintendo just once make a true next gen Console that is on par or better then MS or Sony. Why can't they be the most powerful for once ? Because they always seem to play it safe, I don't ever see them taking big risks, they are innovative with their controllers and stuff, but never really push the graphics of their consoles.

You saw what happened when Sega bought out a true next gen Console with the Dreamcast, they died faster then anything, and was the sadest time as it was my favorite console. See Sega couldn't stay afloat and I thought the Dreamcast was selling ok, if it was Sony selling the dreamcast, it would have lasted a lot longer.
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You answered your own question with your second paragraph.

All of the 3 have major strengths that differ from the others. Nintendo's is first party games, Sony is hardware, MS is software/network.
 
I still don't understand why Sega bailed so fast on the Dreamcast. I thought the console was selling great, then out of nowhere they announce they are stopping it and selling the company. It sucked back then as it was not long after I finished Shenmue II (one of the best games I played). And then they sold up to Sammy which aren't even a games company for some stupid reason.

And ever since then they have been crap :smash:.

The only reason I keep calling Sony resillient is because they don't give up on their consoles like others might.

I think Nintendo gives up a bit, they gave up on the Gamecube and Nintendo 64, by saying that they didn't lasst long before they bought out something new.
 
Johnmiceter said:
Probably because they make cheap ass consoles and never really take big risks. I would love to see Nintendo just once make a true next gen Console that is on par or better then MS or Sony. Why can't they be the most powerful for once ? Because they always seem to play it safe, I don't ever see them taking big risks, they are innovative with their controllers and stuff, but never really push the graphics of their consoles.

You saw what happened when Sega bought out a true next gen Console with the Dreamcast, they died faster then anything, and was the sadest time as it was my favorite console. See Sega couldn't stay afloat and I thought the Dreamcast was selling ok, if it was Sony selling the dreamcast, it would have lasted a lot longer.
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Nintendo is the way that they are because video-games is all they do. Sony and Microsoft have other ventures to fall back on when/if times get hard in the console world. As for not taking chances, you're fooling yourself if you think the original Wii wasn't a huge gamble. A system based mostly on motion controls was/is unheard of. But they smartly marketed it and put together some solid hardware to boot and sales wise beat both Sony and Microsoft handily.
Nintendo goes to the beat of its own drum and regardless of sales, the industry is better for it.
 
But I heard the Wii was really cheap to make and they made a fortune off it as the power of the Wii wasn't much more then the PS2 and original Xbox.
 
Johnmiceter said:
Probably because they make cheap ass consoles and never really take big risks. I would love to see Nintendo just once make a true next gen Console that is on par or better then MS or Sony. Why can't they be the most powerful for once ? Because they always seem to play it safe, I don't ever see them taking big risks, they are innovative with their controllers and stuff, but never really push the graphics of their consoles.

You saw what happened when Sega bought out a true next gen Console with the Dreamcast, they died faster then anything, and was the sadest time as it was my favorite console. See Sega couldn't stay afloat and I thought the Dreamcast was selling ok, if it was Sony selling the dreamcast, it would have lasted a lot longer.
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Nintendo have only really released 2 under powered consoles and last I looked the Wii spanked the 360/ps3 for most of this gen.

Sega died from wasting money on the Mega CD, 32X, Neptune and then cocking up the Saturn.

All 3 have been able to come through various storms and survive.
 
Isn't Sony's biggest problems coming from their non-gaming related departments? The gaming section is actually their saving grace as a company. Sony actually managed to make quite a bit of money on the PS3 I believe.
 
sharkboy1200 said:
Isn't Sony's biggest problems coming from their non-gaming related departments? The gaming section is actually their saving grace as a company. Sony actually managed to make quite a bit of money on the PS3 I believe.
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Over all no, they lost billions on it.
Past 3 years it has been doing well though.
 
Nintendo has been the survivor IMO. Sony killed them two gens in a row and they even lost to upstart Microsoft. They stayed strong, made fantastic first party games to keep them relevant and hit major home runs with the Wii and DS.

Sony as a whole is in trouble and only time will tell if they made the right choices with the Quattro.
 
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