Last Of Us ending discussion (spoilers)
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Yeah, that song sent shivers down my spine as soon as it ended. I was like wow... perfect.
I just finished this incredible game and have a question.
why did Joel lie when he told Ellie that the Fireflies stopped looking for a cure?
Pure selfishness and how it related to his daughters death?
Pure selfishness and how it related to his daughters death?
Or did I miss something along the storyline?
I think Joel didn't want Ellie to have anything to do with the Fireflies after what happened and wanted her to settle and just live a normal life instead of trying to find this "cure". Joel probably felt like he couldn't trust anyone anymore after the Fireflies incident.
Also, that ending music beat drop was epic, eh?
yeah that makes sense and I'm glad he saved her. But in the grand scheme of things, It made me question his decision. But there were others like Ellie though right? So when he said find someone else, it justifies his actions. Because they could have found someone else. Perhaps even a recently deceased subject instead of sacrificing her.
There was also that moment leading up to the hospital where he asked her if she wanted to turn back. Great game and story.
There was also that moment leading up to the hospital where he asked her if she wanted to turn back. Great game and story.
I think this might be the best ending I've ever seen in a video-game.
The lie were told so you'd think about the end, I'm fairly certain.. It made me think alot when the end-credits rolled, and the following days.
Here is my take on it..
- I think maybe, Ellie could/would accept not beeing the cure. At the end she know Joel need her - and all she really wants for herself is not to be left alone. So she goes on living happily thinking it's she and Joel against the world.
- She probably figured out some of Joel's lie, but not the most important thing to her..
Not saving the world - it's what happens with Marlene..
- Joel can easily justify killing Marlene, since Ellie has become really important to him.
I know I were onboard with that..
- But Ellie has history with her, and would most likely never forgive Joel - probably even hate him - if she had known he'd killed Marlene - wich is afterall the person who's been the closest thing to a mother, since her mother died.
- She probably figured out some of Joel's lie, but not the most important thing to her..
Not saving the world - it's what happens with Marlene..
- Joel can easily justify killing Marlene, since Ellie has become really important to him.
I know I were onboard with that..
- But Ellie has history with her, and would most likely never forgive Joel - probably even hate him - if she had known he'd killed Marlene - wich is afterall the person who's been the closest thing to a mother, since her mother died.
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Apparently Ellie was the first who they found that was immune. They did try reverse engineering the virus from normal people, but that was out of desperation. Joel Essentially sacrificed mankind to save Ellie, which is what makes the ending so powerful. Now run and play the damn DLC, you will love it too.
Interesting take guys.
Yeah that ending definitely made you think if it was the right choice. I'm still thinking about it.
Yeah that ending definitely made you think if it was the right choice. I'm still thinking about it.
My take on the ending is simpler.
Joel was just being selfish and saw that there was a risk to Ellie if she was to be made a guinea pig for a cure. I think he simply could not bare to lose another "daughter". Also, it could be that in a world that was cured, Ellie would possibly no longer need him. So it all comes down to his selfishness and not wanting her to leave him.
this is pretty much it, anything more is just people overthinking it and trying to make it complicated
its a typical story of a man losing his daughter, being very emotionless then comes across someone thats the age of his daughter and eventually having that same emotions for her as he did for his daughter(in essence taking over as his daughter), at the end refusing to give her up at all costs
i saw the ending coming 20 miles away
i saw the ending coming 20 miles away
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I'm telling you; this is how the world works people - anything else is just overthinking it..
That's just my mental picture of you - don't concider it a insult, just another result of 'overthinking'.
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I didn't mean to start a sh!tstorm with my question. I just wanted other opinions from those who beat it.
The story wasn't complicated. I just don't pay attention to the story in most games and was afraid that I missed some context somewhere.
The story wasn't complicated. I just don't pay attention to the story in most games and was afraid that I missed some context somewhere.
It's allways a good idea to question 'why' things happen, in addition to actually registering something does happen..
One of the first things we learn about in school, is the story about Isac Newton in his mother's garden watching the apple fall - and in a stroke of brilliant insight he wondered why - and after a while he came up with the theory of gravity..
He were 'overthinking' that - apple's has allways fallen to the ground - not complex at all, nothing to be puzzled about. - But by questioning 'why' the apple fell, he deviced the theory about gravity.
He got a huge payoff, we learnt about why the moon orbits the earth, etc.
Same thing we are doing in this story - we all saw Joel lie to Ellie. Just like I'm sure loads of people have seen apple fallen to the ground before Isac Newton.
But by questioning what Joels motivations for the lie - we might get a much better pay-off while interpreting the story, than we'd do by simply registering selfish motivations and leave it at that. :-/
One of the first things we learn about in school, is the story about Isac Newton in his mother's garden watching the apple fall - and in a stroke of brilliant insight he wondered why - and after a while he came up with the theory of gravity..
He were 'overthinking' that - apple's has allways fallen to the ground - not complex at all, nothing to be puzzled about. - But by questioning 'why' the apple fell, he deviced the theory about gravity.
He got a huge payoff, we learnt about why the moon orbits the earth, etc.
Same thing we are doing in this story - we all saw Joel lie to Ellie. Just like I'm sure loads of people have seen apple fallen to the ground before Isac Newton.
But by questioning what Joels motivations for the lie - we might get a much better pay-off while interpreting the story, than we'd do by simply registering selfish motivations and leave it at that. :-/
what nonsense lol
the motive is OBVIOUS though thats the point lol he lied, he took her cause he couldnt let go of her since he already lost a daughter. simples
it was moved from the TLOU PS4 thread
it was different or "revolutionary" in that it commited to the story throughout the whole game. it really spent time in the relationship but at the end as a story its as generic.. just the way it was told has not been seen much in games. Spec Ops The Line had a similar, very solid telling of a story
it was different or "revolutionary" in that it commited to the story throughout the whole game. it really spent time in the relationship but at the end as a story its as generic.. just the way it was told has not been seen much in games. Spec Ops The Line had a similar, very solid telling of a story
i wouldnt use the term "selfish" for what happened, not specifically for joel anyway. firstly because both parties at that stage relied on each other; without joel ellie has no reason to live and it's the same for joel. ellie wasn't dumb, i think she knew joel ws lying but just wanted that reaffirmation that like "yeah, he's gonna be by my side no matter what". secondly, choosing to not DIE and not LETTING YOUR FRIEND (/replacement daughter) DIE is not what i consider selfish .
Loved the ending., I thought it was different, and revolutionary for games in terms of story.
(Also, why are there spoiler tags in an ENDING discussion?
Anderson moved the ending part of the discussion from the main thread.
I find myself watching the ending on YouTube frequently. It's just so great and not just for a video game ending, but for any type of media. It just leaves you thinking but offers closure at the same time.
For those who never played it, you're seriously in for something.
For those who never played it, you're seriously in for something.
I'm trying to not watch anything TLoU related so that the experience will still be great when I play through the Remastered version in 2 months. Mmm, it's going to be a good one.
Wasn't it established in the game that the procedure to obtain the cure from Ellie would kill her in the process? so Ellie wouldn't be alive in the "cured world"
Not even when it denies a plagued world the possibility of a cure?
no.
to flip it around, i think it's more "selfish" for one to expect/obligate another to do that than to not
I guess maybe Marlene and the fireflies expected her to, but at the same time she was ready, willing and able to do it, actively wanted to. Not saying one or the other view is right, just sayin'....
she was ready to express the guilt she felt for the death of her friends (by sacrifice). but with joel her life had purpose and meaning again, and her friends would probably want her to continue on with that life. thats how i saw it anyway