they won’t, they’ll be 599.99 plus taxes and or vat, so 660ish...
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they won’t, they’ll be 599.99 plus taxes and or vat, so 660ish...
When It cams out Epic just had to rewrite Unreal 5.0 just to accommodate how amazing PS5’s SSD is and later we learn Sony invested a billion dollars in them then maybe there is more to than that. Maybe Epic rewrote code because of the realization PS5 needed some help. Now we have a gaming journalist and an insider reporting Capcom is having problems. I guess we will see.
I don't think either one goes over $499
would explain why the demo wasn’t 4k and ran at 30 FPS, still looked nice
That's not how it works lol, the engine has to be updated for the capabilities of the new hardware as well as new PC GPU's and just to keep up with advancements in technology overall. As far as the "insiders" it's a journalist who's parroting what he heard from the "insider" who is passing on second hand info about a game that's more than a year out. All the while Sony actually had a streaming show 2 months ago that showed games running on (non final) PS5 dev kits and we haven't seen a single thing running on a series X dev kit yet.
I don't see Sony's system costing that much. I think they learned their lesson from the PS3. In addition to this, Cerny spoke of the consumer first when keeping the cost manageable to the specs he mentioned. IF there is any $600 price tag, i see it coming from the Xbox camp for the simple fact that they didn't seem all that concerned about cost over power, based on the specs that went into the system. On top of this, they don't seem concerned about the console selling as much as they do GamePass but rather a gateway to that. So if the Xbox Series S is the entrance to this and smart delivery is the key to bridging the Series X, then it really doesn't matter what the price of the Series X is since you can upgrade to it later on when you get the money. Because at the end of the day, the average consumer (which is not you) will still be giving Microsoft what they really want by even picking up an Xbox, or more specifically a Series S, and signing up for GamePass, while they expect people like YOU (the hardcore) to run after the Series X as you did the One X due to the pretty textures.
THAT’S what I see. So in actuality, you may see $300 and $600
I don't see Sony's system costing that much. I think they learned their lesson from the PS3. In addition to this, Cerny spoke of the consumer first when keeping the cost manageable to the specs he mentioned. IF there is any $600 price tag, i see it coming from the Xbox camp for the simple fact that they didn't seem all that concerned about cost over power, based on the specs that went into the system. On top of this, they don't seem concerned about the console selling as much as they do GamePass but rather a gateway to that. So if the Xbox Series S is the entrance to this and smart delivery is the key to bridging the Series X, then it really doesn't matter what the price of the Series X is since you can upgrade to it later on when you get the money. Because at the end of the day, the average consumer (which is not you) will still be giving Microsoft what they really want by even picking up an Xbox, or more specifically a Series S, and signing up for GamePass, while they expect people like YOU (the hardcore) to run after the Series X as you did the One X due to the pretty textures.
THAT’S what I see. So in actuality, you may see $300 and $600
The Series S makes it pretty much impossible for MS to undercut the PS5 digital model with the Series X, unless they are only going to charge $199 for the Series S and even then $399 is the lowest the Series X could go and that's IF MS would be willing to take a bath on the console all while still pushing a subscription service that's not bringing in much money right now.
I know people like to point out how much MS can afford to lose as a whole but that's not the point, how much are they willing to let that division lose early on? How much are they willing to give up now in hopes of making it back and more over time? They've already spent money on new studios, they don't have any AAA games releasing this year it doesn't look like at least for now there is going to be anything driving new subs to gamepass until a new first party game launches.
I still think both disc based next gen consoles will be $499, digital PS5 $399 and Series S will be $299. Obviously that's just my feeling on it but I think those would be reasonable prices. I know some jump to the "removing the disc drive only saves $20" but they forget that EVERY game sold for that console in it's lifetime will be through PSN where Sony makes more money for each game sold so it would be a good move for them to price it that way, over 70% of PS4 games sold last quarter were digital so that has to figure into their pricing plans.
Sony will likely swing in at $400 and $500. I feel they have the specs to do it and still offer a damn good package.
Not perse, but GamePass feels like Kinect as far as strategy goes: saturation over identity. It seems like Microsoft's is just laser focused on everybody aboard.
As far as the pricing, Microsoft, under Phil Spencer, tried to keep up with Sony before with the One X, and Sony still managed to drastically undercut him with a similar yet slightly underpowered product. With the Xbox One, and them conserving a little cost, Sony not only bested them but still undercut them. I feel like Phil knows this, which is why he has the Series S. Competing with Sony head to head has never ended well. So he's expecting Sony to undercut him but now on a level where he feels he can compete and still have a powerful console with no or fewer compromises. Now maybe I'm wrong, but based of how everything is falling into place, it's not looking good both conservative and short term cost wise.
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Will you defend and praise Sony if $600?I don't see Sony's system costing that much. I think they learned their lesson from the PS3. In addition to this, Cerny spoke of the consumer first when keeping the cost manageable to the specs he mentioned. IF there is any $600 price tag, i see it coming from the Xbox camp for the simple fact that they didn't seem all that concerned about cost over power, based on the specs that went into the system. On top of this, they don't seem concerned about the console selling as much as they do GamePass but rather a gateway to that. So if the Xbox Series S is the entrance to this and smart delivery is the key to bridging the Series X, then it really doesn't matter what the price of the Series X is since you can upgrade to it later on when you get the money. Because at the end of the day, the average consumer (which is not you) will still be giving Microsoft what they really want by even picking up an Xbox, or more specifically a Series S, and signing up for GamePass, while they expect people like YOU (the hardcore) to run after the Series X as you did the One X due to the pretty textures.
THAT’S what I see. So in actuality, you may see $300 and $600
But 600 isn't a gateway, It is a roadblock. The Xbox wont be beaten on price.I don't see Sony's system costing that much. I think they learned their lesson from the PS3. In addition to this, Cerny spoke of the consumer first when keeping the cost manageable to the specs he mentioned. IF there is any $600 price tag, i see it coming from the Xbox camp for the simple fact that they didn't seem all that concerned about cost over power, based on the specs that went into the system. On top of this, they don't seem concerned about the console selling as much as they do GamePass but rather a gateway to that. So if the Xbox Series S is the entrance to this and smart delivery is the key to bridging the Series X, then it really doesn't matter what the price of the Series X is since you can upgrade to it later on when you get the money. Because at the end of the day, the average consumer (which is not you) will still be giving Microsoft what they really want by even picking up an Xbox, or more specifically a Series S, and signing up for GamePass, while they expect people like YOU (the hardcore) to run after the Series X as you did the One X due to the pretty textures.
THAT’S what I see. So in actuality, you may see $300 and $600
Think it's kind of a given that having to develop for old consoles does hold new stuff back as far as design and ambition. That being said the first year or two most 3rd party games are cross-gen, I do think 1st party stuff should focus on the new console though but that's just my opinion.
The PSN money logic makes no sense. There is no real upside to increased hardware losses when digital purchases are already that high. If they did that at the start of this gen it would have made sense.
I wish they could just leave last gen behind, seriously, give people a reason to upgrade, especially if they are going to be offering a cheaper version of next gen but with extra goodies inside.
I reckon SeriesX comes in at same price as the PS5 digital console and the SeriesS is $100-150 cheaper, they're not having the greatest run right now and undercutting the competition for at least one of the consoles and bundle in games pass could get some extra consumers
I reckon SeriesX comes in at same price as the PS5 digital console and the SeriesS is $100-150 cheaper, they're not having the greatest run right now and undercutting the competition for at least one of the consoles and bundle in games pass could get some extra consumers
You're reading that wrong that's why. Microsoft believes $300 is the gateway to GamePass in the very same way they believe a Fire Stick size Xbox is imminent. This strategy is aimed at everyone else. I believe $600 is to reel in those who are easily enticed by eye candy, fps and maybe even high quality backwards compatibility (Phil really places an emphasis on these things), which is the hardcore/PC demographic. This is who they are expecting to pay the higher price tag since they do it anyway when gaming on the PC or investing in their hardcore gaming experience. They will also get the GamePass just because of who they are. At the end of the day, Microsoft doesn't need the hardcore to sell the Xbox anymore but can still reel that crowd in by selling them on the 12TF number. It’s the perfect pitch if my judgment is right.
But we'll see though....
It makes perfect sense, the last quarter was the first time it has ever been that high and it probably won't be that high once the pandemic is (hopefully) behind us and people feel better about going to retail stores or in some places even having the option. This helps push more people to guaranteed digital purchases and also cuts down even more on used game sales etc. I don't think they planned on it being that high, we've been seeing digital/physical split pretty close to 50/50 lately so this was a huge jump out of nowhere. Eventually digital will get to that level and stay there or grow even more but that's still a few years away.
I agree with you on 1st party studios leaving last gen behind, I disagree on the pricing idea between the two xbox models.
I think there needs to be at least a $200 price difference between the two xbox models for the Series S to make sense, I also don't think MS really wants to lose too much up front on the console given that GP isn't bringing in much money right now and there isn't going to be a big game in the launch window that we know of that will help grow their subscriber base. If a 12TF console and a 4TF console are only $100-$150 apart it kind of muddies the waters a bit on the value.
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I don't see Sony's system costing that much. I think they learned their lesson from the PS3. In addition to this, Cerny spoke of the consumer first when keeping the cost manageable to the specs he mentioned. IF there is any $600 price tag, i see it coming from the Xbox camp for the simple fact that they didn't seem all that concerned about cost over power, based on the specs that went into the system. On top of this, they don't seem concerned about the console selling as much as they do GamePass but rather a gateway to that. So if the Xbox Series S is the entrance to this and smart delivery is the key to bridging the Series X, then it really doesn't matter what the price of the Series X is since you can upgrade to it later on when you get the money. Because at the end of the day, the average consumer (which is not you) will still be giving Microsoft what they really want by even picking up an Xbox, or more specifically a Series S, and signing up for GamePass, while they expect people like YOU (the hardcore) to run after the Series X as you did the One X due to the pretty textures.
THAT’S what I see. So in actuality, you may see $300 and $600
neither console will sell much, because they’ll be sold out for a good while. It’ll be four to five hundred bucks for both box’s of plastic from their respective manufacturers.
Gamepass has been here for over three years and currently it’s gate is at said price for the console (Pc will vary significantly), not the actual entry....
Ok. But is it really going to force disc buyers? Doubtful. The only people likely to buy one are mostly digital buyers now. Disc buyers will save far mor than 100 bucks over a gen. Cheaper prices, rentals, trade ins, borrowing, etc. To be honest, digital is very anti-consumer.
They arr both gateways, same as mobile is another gateway and PC is a gateway. Putting a 600 buck roadblock on a gateway is stupid.
You mean like how Sony thought the same with PS3. That didn't go down well.
Pretty obnoxious to say anything that click bait and end with a "?" to try to avoid accountability.
Well I think that is the argument. Hope they they get enticed by the price and then you have them. I think there would be plenty of people who be willing to go all digital but are they really going to do that over $50? I wouldn't. They have to go $100 less if the PS5 is $600. $500/$450 is fine though.
They also could go $100 less and just not make that many as well. That is what they did with the 20gb PS3.
But they have had 7 years to be turned to digital. I doubt a 100 buck less system that does less and will cost them more in the long run is likely to do it.
I've gone mostly digital for a long time now, but I still find games cheap on physical, so buying a console without a disk will just be annoying.
Amazon has a physical copy of Dreams on sale for like $20 (IIRC) and that's cheaper than I've seen it digital.
Amazon has a physical copy of Dreams on sale for like $20 (IIRC) and that's cheaper than I've seen it digital.
I definitely think there would be plenty of people who would be willing to do that even if it wasn't in their best interest.
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