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JinCA said:


Think it's kind of a given that having to develop for old consoles does hold new stuff back as far as design and ambition. That being said the first year or two most 3rd party games are cross-gen, I do think 1st party stuff should focus on the new console though but that's just my opinion.
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Wow who would of thought!

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Don't be surprised now fellows... not like I didn't try telling you.

Let me add even the PC will be a Anchor to the possibilites of the XSX SSD tech.
Does this mean PC's can't be equipped with better than XSX SSD's? No but when making XSX games they WILL have to keep in mind the PC builds that have 5400 RPM HDD's.
 
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Two consoles both doing well is a win for everyone. What worries me is when one console does significantly worse than the other.

Just look at what happens to sports games when EA pushes out the competition. Quality, innovation and improvements goes into the toilet.

Seeing one console "win" would be a massive loss for every gamer. Even if you happen to be the biggest PS fan in the world, rooting for Xbox to fail hard is not good for you.

I pull for there to be two companies neck and neck in sales. Nobody winning the console war is a "win" for me.
 
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Kerosene31 said:
Two consoles both doing well is a win for everyone. What worries me is when one console does significantly worse than the other.

Just look at what happens to sports games when EA pushes out the competition. Quality, innovation and improvements goes into the toilet.

Seeing one console "win" would be a massive loss for every gamer. Even if you happen to be the biggest PS fan in the world, rooting for Xbox to fail hard is not good for you.

I pull for there to be two companies neck and neck in sales. Nobody winning the console war is a "win" for me.
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One console would be a disaster. People should want Microsoft in the game because if it were just Sony....LOL $600 dollar console here we come. I love the variety, but with that said we shouldn't have to settle for terrible presentation or lackluster software either.
 
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menace-uk- said:
Ok. But is it really going to force disc buyers? Doubtful. The only people likely to buy one are mostly digital buyers now. Disc buyers will save far mor than 100 bucks over a gen. Cheaper prices, rentals, trade ins, borrowing, etc. To be honest, digital is very anti-consumer.
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It's a choice so I don't look at it that way at all, if they only released a digital version I'd agree that would be shady but having both as an option gives everyone what they want, especially when there is no difference in power etc.
 
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neither console will sell much, because they’ll be sold out for a good while. It’ll be four to five hundred bucks for both box’s of plastic from their respective manufacturers.
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That could also be the case, too. I'm not denying that it can't be $500. It's just not as clean cut on how that would be the case based on what is being said. I could definitely see why it could end up the other way, though if it does. But like i say, we'll see.
 
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One console would be a disaster. People should want Microsoft in the game because if it were just Sony....LOL $600 dollar console here we come. I love the variety, but with that said we shouldn't have to settle for terrible presentation or lackluster software either.
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Yeah Monopolies aren't going to do any good, we need healthy business from the big 3.

MS gotta stop doing this to itself.
Themselves have proven to be a worse enemy than Sony is.
 
karmakid said:
Gamepass has been here for over three years and currently it’s gate is at said price for the console (Pc will vary significantly), not the actual entry....

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Yes but without hardware, there is no GamePass unless you expect GamePass to thrive solely through the PC, which is more hardcore. The key is to get consumers to join and stay in GamePass. Because we are headed into a new generation, users will leave the pass generation behind. To secure those users and many more, you create a cheaper gateway to grant such access, which is the Series S.
 
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They arr both gateways, same as mobile is another gateway and PC is a gateway. Putting a 600 buck roadblock on a gateway is stupid.

You mean like how Sony thought the same with PS3. That didn't go down well.
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I'm not saying it's right, but if it does end up that way, how is it any different from you investing in a PC rig and getting it there? It's just as hardcore as you running out to get the One X at $500 just because it has higher framerates and resolution except now the cost to build these units have increased a little more than what they were before.

And unlike Microsoft's strategy with the Series S, Sony overestimated the market without a cheaper entry point to the PS3. So it's quite different, really. At this level, Microsoft will still sell consoles and they will still sell GamePass. So this won't affect how they make money, but at the same time, the hardcore unit doesn't have to sell off the shelf to propel them forward neither like it would have before. So unlike the Sony’s PS3 approach, they could really take their time here.

But again, this is not a fact that this will occur.
 
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That could also be the case, too. I'm not denying that it can't be $500. It's just not as clean cut on how that would be the case based on what is being said. I could definitely see why it could end up the other way, though if it does. But like i say, we'll see.
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Your elegant posts usually could be shrinked to one or two sentence, and mostly this; "I might be right, I might be wrong, time will tell but rest assured SONY is God.
 
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Dno69 said:
Did I really just see Gamepass equated to the Kinect?
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As far as saturation over their identity of who they once were? yes. It's a more friendly approach to putting the hardcore on the back end in substitute of the rest of the market. Why else would they have a very conservative unit to a higher spec unit?

If you look at Sony's solution, both units are of the same spec sheet. The only difference is once doesn't support a BluRay drive. Not even BC to the PS4 is out of question as they could easily add this into the cloud if they wanted to.
 
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I’m interested in Quantum Error but that looks decidedly a quarter step above current gen. PS5 should easily be able to push that game.
 
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VaLLiancE said:
Wow who would of thought!

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Don't be surprised now fellows... not like I didn't try telling you.

Let me add even the PC will be a Anchor to the possibilites of the XSX SSD tech.
Does this mean PC's can't be equipped with better than XSX SSD's? No but when making XSX games they WILL have to keep in mind the PC builds that have 5400 RPM HDD's.
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But nobody, not even Xbox is telling 3rd parties like Dice to make cross-gen games. Yet they are still doing it out of free will, in order to sell to a broader audience. Xbox will do the same internally for the same reason: To bridge the gap. Nobody said it wouldn't be challenging. It can however, be done.
 
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GordoSan said:
But nobody, not even Xbox is telling 3rd parties like Dice to make cross-gen games. Yet they are still doing it out of free will, in order to sell to a broader audience. Xbox will do the same internally for the same reason: To bridge the gap. Nobody said it wouldn't be challenging. It can however, be done.
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3rd party cross gen games will net better results visually though.
 
JinCA said:


Think it's kind of a given that having to develop for old consoles does hold new stuff back as far as design and ambition. That being said the first year or two most 3rd party games are cross-gen, I do think 1st party stuff should focus on the new console though but that's just my opinion.
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This was very obvious, and it only solidifies what Sony had been saying all along about why they have chosen to concentrate their next gen titles exclusively to their next gen hardware rather than allowing the previous generation or just a weaker platform to hold it back. Of course though, Phil Spencer has to defend this because GamePass is the crucial puzzle piece that links all these platforms together. But at the expense of supporting a wide range of platforms, a unique or robust piece of hardware can lose its identity and purpose in that process.
 
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See, this is what i was talking about earlier when you start counting your chickens before they've hatched . It tends to backfire and you're left having to explain yourself more often than you need to. Of course it seems inconsequential in the moment until that reality starts unfolding right before your eyes.

Now Sony has been sitting back tone silent making sure everything was absolutely ready to go. It's easier to let people assume what you don't have and introduce it later rather than speaking on it early and not being able to deliver.
 
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