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Naughty Dog Co-Founder: “Two Years Ago Microsoft Was Going to Win this Generation. That’s Not The Case Now”

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Naughty Dog Co-Founder and former Studio President Jason Rubin (he left the company in 2004) is quite confident in Sony’s possibilities to do well this generation, especially due to the internal change brought to the company by people like Mark Cerny, as he told while interviewed by Geoff Keighley on GameTrailers.

Having worked at Sony and having seen how Sony is, [...] we have to give them an incredible amount of credit for this launch. Inside the industry, quietly, hush-hush, two years ago Microsoft was going to win this generation. And that’s not the case now.

They have been very very smart, very very adept at changing their policies to fit what gamers wanted, and they’ve created an incredible hardware.

The creator of that hardware, Mark Cerny, who I know extremely well, could have not done this in the PS3 era, because Ken Kutaragi was there and the entire company had a very different way of looking at things.

I actually know better than most people the history of internal hardware production at Sony, because I went through this with Mark from Crash watching how hardware has gone.

The change from the Kutaragi model to, i will call it, the Cerny model is far larger than anyone realizes. It is looking at the market and adapting to the market, rather than creating the ultimate graphics hardware from a technical standpoint and assuming the market will come.

While I’m not sure on who will “win” between Sony and Microsoft (and to be honest I don’t care all that much, as I prefer them both to compete and to prod each other into giving us as much as possible for our money), I have to agree with Rubin.

Even from the humble standpoint of a video game writer that isn’t as nearly as near to the control room as he was, the change within Sony is evident, and I think most gamers that play on PlayStation consoles and are witnessing the outset of this new generation can easily agree.

Source: GameTrailers
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I like the way this sounds: Sony adapting to the market and not pushing the market to come.
 
I agree probably. I think MS was dumb this generation. They will flex their muscle monetarily since they have the money to do so & Sony doesn't all the time, but in the end I know Sony will sell more because Xbox isn't going to do as well in foreign countries as Sony does. (especially Japan) So overall sales & developer support will be higher for PS4. Microsoft developed an entertainment/multimedia system. I wish they would have straight-up designed a game's machine with background entertainment services. Now the entertainment services are the forefront & the machine was designed around that, not games. Their "digital entertainment" vision through software/services.
 
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I think what happened here, is that Microsoft ran out of steam with the interesting 360 exclusives. When the only thing they had on the horizon was a Gears of War prequel, and Sony was prepping The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls, it made me go "Hm, maybe now's the time to see how things are on Sony's side of the fence."

Those were the two games that got me interested in the PS3 when they were announced at E3. And when I actually bought the machine, I found a ton of great games I'd missed over the past five years when the 360 was the only console I owned.
 
It's a bit like the Oscars though. People only remember the great films they saw recently. That's what the film industry mean with releasing a film in "Oscar mode".

I completely agree that Microsoft let Xbox 360 run out of steam near the end. Both on XBLA and on exclusives. But on the other hand I feel a bit perplexed. Xbox 360 for 4-5 years was the only one that really had a great output of fantastic games month, after month, after month.
PS3 had dryspells and disappointments for a lot of it's first 4-5 years. Every year was going to be the year of the PS3, and it never came around.
I think the low point in PS3s history must have been when PSN was down for what.. a month? That was bad. Then Howard Stinger left, and I guess change was imminent.
It's hard to imagine that Sony is the company that none many years launched Playstation Home. What a disaster.



I understand why the industry is hailing PS3 as the victor. People just don't care generally about all those games from 2006-2010 as they used to. But those great experiences helped move the console generation.
 
It's a bit like the Oscars though. People only remember the great films they saw recently. That's what the film industry mean with releasing a film in "Oscar mode".

I completely agree that Microsoft let Xbox 360 run out of steam near the end. Both on XBLA and on exclusives. But on the other hand I feel a bit perplexed. Xbox 360 for 4-5 years was the only one that really had a great output of fantastic games month, after month, after month.
PS3 had dryspells and disappointments for a lot of it's first 4-5 years. Every year was going to be the year of the PS3, and it never came around.
I think the low point in PS3s history must have been when PSN was down for what.. a month? That was bad. Then Howard Stinger left, and I guess change was imminent.
It's hard to imagine that Sony is the company that none many years launched Playstation Home. What a disaster.



I understand why the industry is hailing PS3 as the victor. People just don't care generally about all those games from 2006-2010 as they used to. But those great experiences helped move the console generation.
i think 360 is the victor of this gen. ps3 caught up nicely, but it only climbed out from the hole it dug itself. bottom line: the 360 was a huge success coming off the original xbox, and the ps3 was largely a disaster coming off the ps2. 360 made the most ground
 
i think 360 is the victor of this gen. ps3 caught up nicely, but it only climbed out from the hole it dug itself. bottom line: the 360 was a huge success coming off the original xbox, and the ps3 was largely a disaster coming off the ps2. 360 made the most ground

I wouldn't know. I stopped playing 360 and PS3 around 2010. It was only recently with GTA5 i pulled out my launch 360 - It RROD'ed after a few hours^^

I've heard people call The Last of Us, one of the games of the generation. I really would love to play it. I hope they make a PS4 version, fixing some of the problems.
 
I wouldn't know. I stopped playing 360 and PS3 around 2010. It was only recently with GTA5 i pulled out my launch 360 - It RROD'ed after a few hours^^

I've heard people call The Last of Us, one of the games of the generation. I really would love to play it. I hope they make a PS4 version, fixing some of the problems.

it is, it so is. one of the first games i've personally played in which i've been moved by the story... not just immersed, but actually emotionally moved. definitely feels like it made a step for gaming in that it set a benchmark for future narrative-driven games to reference
 
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They all won, Nintendo by sales, Sony established Blu-Ray in the format wars and MS got a strong foothold in the living room. Next gen is a different kettle of fish. Whoever has the strongest connected experiences and eco-system will "win" next gen. Could be neither of the three, but if I was a betting man, I'll place my money on the horse from Redmond.
 
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it is, it so is. one of the first games i've personally played in which i've been moved by the story... not just immersed, but actually emotionally moved. definitely feels like it made a step for gaming in that it set a benchmark for future narrative-driven games to reference

Beyond: Two Souls is another very nice game driven by its narrative.
 
I do like the shift I'm seeing from sony. They seem like they are working to cater to gamers, while MS is just doing whatever they want to do. It's hard to get past the huge advantages the xbox has over the playstation though, such as better controller, way better dashboard, and I liked the exclusives more. That looks to be continuing as well, as the XO controller looks awesome and Dead Rising seems to be by far the most interesting launch title.
 
This is why competition is good. Sony had to become a better company because of the pressure MS put on them with the 360. Now MS is going to have to up their game because Sony is in such a great position to start with this gen. Not exactly sure why it matters what position any of them as long as MS/Sony/Nintendo do well and keep this hobby going strong!
 
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I don't agree with this ....yet. I feel MS is in a much better position this gen then they were with the 360.

But are they in a much better position than Sony was with the PS2 when they screwed the pooch with the PS3?

I don't think so.
 
I'm still LOL'ing about Microsoft's HD-DVD add-on drive. They tried so hard not to accept Blu-Ray.

Microsoft's also has a stake with Blu-ray, their plan was to stall the adoption for a bit. If they really wanted to take sides in the format wars, þhe Xbox 360 would have released with HD-DVD.
 
Microsoft's also has a stake with Blu-ray, their plan was to stall the adoption for a bit. If they really wanted to take sides in the format wars, þhe Xbox 360 would have released with HD-DVD.

They couldn't have. The first consumer HD-DVD players didn't hit retail until mid-April of 2006. Just about a full six months after the launch of the 360. If they included one in the 360, it would have driven the cost of the console up considerably. That's no risk to take with an unproven format. Sony knew they had a winner with blu-ray, which is why they tossed one in the PS3. Sure they were selling the console at a loss for a while, but that's how it usually starts at the beginning of a console cycle.
 
Blah blah blah. Motherf*ck your uncaring corporate gods and their PR game of thrones.
 
Definitely a good thing. Both consoles will hopefully do incredibly well.
 
I can't disagree with anything he said. Sony had to reverse course almost as abruptly as Microsoft did. But it was all for the better.
 
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I like the way this sounds: Sony adapting to the market and not pushing the market to come.
It sounds good. But when we consider the market that Sony is trying to adapt to, its the one the 360 had a big influence in creating. When speaking on pushing the market, its the industry the XO is creating and Sony no doubt will follow. I've already come to terms with what the Ps4 is--its a gaming console primarily and I'm good with that. Its gonna be a great one! It'll have some of the other features I care about if I choose to use them. But there is a difference in what the Xbox One is and what the PS4 is. The XO will be my primary console for the forseeable future. The Ps4 when I get it, will be for its exclusives. Gonna be friggin expensive mate, but I'm diggin them both for very different reasons.
 
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If by "creating the market" you mean "MS saw all the stuff Apple and others were doing then decided to do it on the 360 to stay relevant" then yeah, I agree.
 
If by "creating the market" you mean "MS saw all the stuff Apple and others were doing then decided to do it on the 360 to stay relevant" then yeah, I agree.
Not relevant in the fact that the XO has many features the Ps4 doesnt offer regardless of just who they're actually in competition with. The XO is still bringing alot to the table in one box, and on tap. Thats all I'm sayin....
 
I feel that Sony's adaption is to the market they lost with the PS3 that they initially won over back in the PS1 and PS2 era.

The market is big enough for Sony, Ninty and MS however.