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After a few days of synthetic and real life testing, I have not had any crashes so the likely culprit of my problem was the PSU. In all my years of building PCs for myself and family, I've never had a PSU fail before thus my loss at the situation.

ON a side note, I'm surprised to hear from people here and elsewhere, that on the console side, 30 fps is acceptable and sometimes even preferred going into next gen. That's unfathomable to me but I guess after the time and resources I've put into my PC, I can understand why 30 fps won't cut it for me.
 
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ON a side note, I'm surprised to hear from people here and elsewhere, that on the console side, 30 fps is acceptable and sometimes even preferred going into next gen. That's unfathomable to me but I guess after the time and resources I've put into my PC, I can understand why 30 fps won't cut it for me.

Right, lol. I believe that with the SKUs with enough headroom for a performance mode they will eventually get used to 60fps and not want to go back to 30.
 

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After a few days of synthetic and real life testing, I have not had any crashes so the likely culprit of my problem was the PSU. In all my years of building PCs for myself and family, I've never had a PSU fail before thus my loss at the situation.

ON a side note, I'm surprised to hear from people here and elsewhere, that on the console side, 30 fps is acceptable and sometimes even preferred going into next gen. That's unfathomable to me but I guess after the time and resources I've put into my PC, I can understand why 30 fps won't cut it for me.

Now that I have a solid gaming rig I can actually see what the difference is between 30 and 60. It took Control to do it - I played on everything ultra in 4K in the 40fps range for a while and it looked sweet, but when I finally dialed it back some and locked 60 (monitor is 4K/60 so that was the only option), everything felt so much smoother and I sucked a whole lot less. I also think there are a lot of people who, if MS was pushing 4K/30/effects and Sony was about the frame rates, would be singing a different tune (on both sides). I'm a bad case because I'm not really perceptive of the shiny graphics anyhow, I kind of play games to enjoy playing them and if they look great, that's nice.
 

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According to @kopite7kimi, a leaker on Twitter, the RTX 3070 will be equipped with the GA104-300 GPU, featuring 2944 CUDA cores and paired with 8GB of GDDR6 memory. The RTX 3070 Ti is rumoured to use the full power of the GA104 GPU (GA104-400), with 3072 CUDA cores and 8GB of GDDR6X memory. The account also shared TDP numbers, with the standard RTX 3070 said to use 220W, while the Ti equivalent is rated for 250W. - Source

I hate that they are going up on the TDP numbers so much.
 

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I hate that they are going up on the TDP numbers so much.

Whew. The TDP for a 2080TI is at 250W, if the 3070 TI is the same, I can't imagine what its going to be for the 3080 TI or the rumored 3090. And the prices for these things, unless AMD puts out a competitive product with Big Navi, are going to be through the roof.
 
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Whew. The TDP for a 2080TI is at 250W, if the 3070 TI is the same, I can't imagine what its going to be for the 3080 TI or the rumored 3090. And the prices for these things, unless AMD puts out a competitive product with Big Navi, are going to be through the roof.

I think AMD will be competitive, but I skimped pretty hard on my Bronze+ power supply. :rolleyes:

I will probably end up going with the cheapest name brand gold+ 600w next time. Even then I can't go over 220w with the GPU because I got a bunch of fans, drives, and other stuff hooked up to the USB ports.

With these digital versions of consoles being locked into Sony/MS ecosystems the prices for games will stay at full price ($70) much longer. I don't know how that will impact PC game sales, but I suspect that it will continue to be much more economical to buy games on PC.

I remember when I was a console only gamer and I would rag on PC gamers for "not supporting developers" by waiting for sales, wow...
 
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After a few days of synthetic and real life testing, I have not had any crashes so the likely culprit of my problem was the PSU. In all my years of building PCs for myself and family, I've never had a PSU fail before thus my loss at the situation.

ON a side note, I'm surprised to hear from people here and elsewhere, that on the console side, 30 fps is acceptable and sometimes even preferred going into next gen. That's unfathomable to me but I guess after the time and resources I've put into my PC, I can understand why 30 fps won't cut it for me.

LOL. Exactly what I was saying.

Like.....I went from preferring 30fps, to 60fps, then to 120fps even though my current monitor goes to 165hz.

I kind of get it though. If all you've been playing are consoles and you want more 'visual upgrades' then frame rates are going to naturally take a hit. On PC you can have BOTH high frame rates and high visual fidelity. There is no trade-off like how you have on consoles.
 
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I don't believe Nvidia would go up this high on power usage if they felt that AMD couldn't compete. They must have caught wind of AMD's GPU performance and made adjustments to their GPUs.
 

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Over $4000 to surpass the ps5 but no gaming software will use the tech.

Yes until games are written/developed to take advantage of such ssds, I'd wager that on PC you won't see much difference from a Sata 3 ssd, NVME v3, or nvme v4 in games.
 
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Yes until games are written/developed to take advantage of such ssds, I'd wager that on PC you won't see much difference from a Sata 3 ssd, NVME v3, or nvme v4 in games.

Even once they stop duplicating assets? I would think once they start optimizing games for SSDs that Nvme 4.0 drives will see a big increase in performance.
 

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Got me some new parts, used my old GTX 1080, then got : Fractal Design Meshify C case, Cooler Master MWE Gold PSU 750W , Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED, ASUS ROG Strix Z390-F GAMING Motherboard, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz and Intel Core i5 9600K 3.7GHz

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It is the most quiet computer I ever had
 

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Digital Foundry had to lock Watch Dogs 3 to 30 fps at 1080p with a 2080ti with Ray tracing enabled.


Digital Foundry On Death Stranding:
One thing we should stress is that some older DX12 graphics cards will not the run game. We were keen on try the PC version of Death Stranding using a 4GB version of the R9 270X - the closest PC equivalent to the original PS4's GPU. However, the game demands a minimum of the DX12 12_0 feature set, and first-gen GCN cards top out at the 11_1 feature level. According to Kojima Productions, DX12's tiled resources feature is used in Death Stranding for improved GPU memory management. - Source

So it looks like you could exceed the minimum requirements for performance with a GTX 780, but not be able to start the game because it doesn't have the 12_0 feature level. It even says it a DX 12 card.

Resolution has by far the biggest impact on performance, and at least there are some innovative options here. AMD's contrast adaptive shading renders at 75 per cent of the native resolution in both vertical and horizontal axes, then sharpens the image based on contrast at minimal cost. The results are broadly OK, but are totally eclipsed by Nvidia DLSS 2.0 support. Performance and quality options are available, using AI upscaling from 50 per cent to 67 per cent respectively, again on both axes. This allows an overclocked RTX 2060 to hit 4K60 in performance mode (!) while the quality preset delivers better-than-native image quality. Nvidia's so impressed with the results, it's bundling Death Stranding with RTX GPUs. - Source

Wow, an RTX 2060 is looking pretty good right now for DLSS. :rolleyes:
 
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Digital Foundry had to lock Watch Dogs 3 to 30 fps at 1080p with a 2080ti with Ray tracing enabled.


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So it looks like you could exceed the minimum requirements for performance with a GTX 780, but not be able to start the game because it doesn't have the 12_0 feature level. It even says it a DX 12 card.



Wow, an RTX 2060 is looking pretty good right now for DLSS. :rolleyes:

Be interesting to see how the consoles fair. If a 2080TI is struggling with RTX the new consoles are going to fair worse.
 

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Got me some new parts, used my old GTX 1080, then got : Fractal Design Meshify C case, Cooler Master MWE Gold PSU 750W , Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED, ASUS ROG Strix Z390-F GAMING Motherboard, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz and Intel Core i5 9600K 3.7GHz

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That top fan. What is that plugged into?
 

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Be interesting to see how the consoles fair. If a 2080TI is struggling with RTX the new consoles are going to fair worse.

They say that the next gen consoles don't take as big of a hit with ray tracing compared to the 20 series RTX cards. Even with that being said I still find it hard to believe that they can get games running at anything close to 4K without severe downgrades to ray tracing effects. And people still believe that the 4tflop, 20 CU Xbox Series S will have "Ray tracing".
 

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Lets also keep in mind that Ubisoft games don't run well at all on top of the line current PC hardware. DLSS might be the only hope for Ubisoft games.

I'm not holding out much hope for next gen consoles. Not because they won't be capable but Ubisoft is going to Ubisoft.
 
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Well I went did a little thing...................I bought a Ryzen 3900X because it was 389.99 with free one day shipping on Amazon. Anyone wanna buy a 3700X? lol
 

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3900X is very nice.
 

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Well I went did a little thing...................I bought a Ryzen 3900X because it was 389.99 with free one day shipping on Amazon. Anyone wanna buy a 3700X? lol

I wanted a 3700x when I was doing my build but all Amazon had in stock at the time was 3800x.
 

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I wanted a 3700x when I was doing my build but all Amazon had in stock at the time was 3800x.

3700X is such a great chip i literally have 0 complaints. It will most likely go into my girlfriends rig replacing it's 1700X.
 

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My RX 480 starting to show its age. I don't really have a preference for video card although now that I have an AMD processor I just figured I'd stay with AMD for everything plus the price point is a big factor. With the 3000 series supposed being at least unveiled soon I'll wait for that. Not sure what AMD has coming anytime soon though.
 

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My RX 480 starting to show its age. I don't really have a preference for video card although now that I have an AMD processor I just figured I'd stay with AMD for everything plus the price point is a big factor. With the 3000 series supposed being at least unveiled soon I'll wait for that. Not sure what AMD has coming anytime soon though.

New GPUs are right around the corner. I think if you bought something like a 5700XT right now that will turnout to be a terrible purchase.
 

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My RX 480 starting to show its age. I don't really have a preference for video card although now that I have an AMD processor I just figured I'd stay with AMD for everything plus the price point is a big factor. With the 3000 series supposed being at least unveiled soon I'll wait for that. Not sure what AMD has coming anytime soon though.

Big Navi is coming soon, end of the year. The RX 5700 XT is a very nice card. Not sure what type of games you're looking to play and at was resolutions/settings or how much money you would want to spend but the 5700 XT is nice if you don't feel like waiting.
 
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