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Ok guys, Val if your in these threads.

With scalpers ruining the start of this generation for a lot of us. I'm seriously considering getting a PC that can match or exceed these new consoles instead.

I'm looking to spend $1000 or maybe just a bit more. What are some good options?

I want 1440p (at least) 60fps on most games. I want Raytracing. But I know that will probably half the frame rate. Which is fine.
I'd like to do VR too.
Just hold on you will get one.
$1000 isn't touching these consoles for a few years.
 
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Unfortunately, the scalpers and pandemic have hit the PC market pretty hard too. New processors, graphic cards and power supplies are expensive and/or hard to find.

I'm going to refer you to eVo7 The Living Tribunal GeorgeSoros VaLLiancE . I personally don't think its possible to build a PC in this climate that exceeds the Series X or PS5 and does ray tracing, 60fps and VR for 1K but maybe the other can chime in with their thoughts.

You would need aeast a RTX 3070 or a used 2080 Ti to do what you want and RTX 3070 are unavailable and cost 500+ dollars anyway. Used 2080 Tis are going for insane prices on ebay, 700+. It's just not a feasible goal at this point in time.
 
Was completed over weekend. Kind of bad angle as I didn't feel like unplugging some cords just to get a screen shot. Extremely happy with it.

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Love the case and the U14S. I love me some noctua. I have a Chromax NHD15 on my CPU and it is excellent, along with Chromax NF A14s in my case, also have a Chromax U12S on my girls CPU. I am def a Noctua fanboy. Best of the best in air cooling.
 
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Ok guys, Val if your in these threads.

With scalpers ruining the start of this generation for a lot of us. I'm seriously considering getting a PC that can match or exceed these new consoles instead.

I'm looking to spend $1000 or maybe just a bit more. What are some good options?

I want 1440p (at least) 60fps on most games. I want Raytracing. But I know that will probably half the frame rate. Which is fine.
I'd like to do VR too.

You are better off just waiting it out for an Xbox Series X. The RTX 2xxx series is overpriced right now. The 3070 would be ideal ($499) but it's not widely available. You might be able to get a good deal on a 3700x on black Friday (right now it's $270).

Some are saying that the Ryzen 5600X ($299) is a better deal, but I would be weary of a 6 core CPU.

At around $1000 you are going to have the urge to compromise somewhere.

I ran into some issues with my cheap MOBO not accepting 3000mhz in quad channel so I had to step down to 2666 mhz.

I was quite surprised at how much some people here pay for their PSUs, but ultimately they are right. I don't necessarily know if it's a good idea to pick the cheapest Bronze+ 650w power supply you can find on PcPartpicker for your build.

If you find a cheap AIB GPU make sure you thoroughly read reviews. Sometimes they run hot because of poor design choices. A hot GPU can cause stability issues and may even damage your MOBO causing you to have to RMA it.

Once you start trying to match the Xbox Series X NVME then you are way past the $1000 territory.
 
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You are better off just waiting it out for an Xbox Series X. The RTX 2xxx series is overpriced right now. The 3070 would be ideal ($499) but it's not widely available. You might be able to get a good deal on a 3700x on black Friday (right now it's $270).

Some are saying that the Ryzen 5600X ($299) is a better deal, but I would be weary of a 6 core CPU.

At around $1000 you are going to have the urge to compromise somewhere.

I ran into some issues with my cheap MOBO not accepting 3000mhz in quad channel so I had to step down to 2666 mhz.

I was quite surprised at how much some people here pay for their PSUs, but ultimately they are right. I don't necessarily know if it's a good idea to pick the cheapest Bronze+ 650w power supply you can find on PcPartpicker for your build.

If you find a cheap AIB GPU make sure you thoroughly read reviews. Sometimes they run hot because of poor design choices. A hot GPU can cause stability issues and may even damage your MOBO causing you to have to RMA it.

Once you start trying to match the Xbox Series X NVME then you are way past the $1000 territory.
Thanks.
I actually ended up with an XSX. Or at least its ordered.
 
Ok guys, Val if your in these threads.

With scalpers ruining the start of this generation for a lot of us. I'm seriously considering getting a PC that can match or exceed these new consoles instead.

I'm looking to spend $1000 or maybe just a bit more. What are some good options?

I want 1440p (at least) 60fps on most games. I want Raytracing. But I know that will probably half the frame rate. Which is fine.
I'd like to do VR too.

Yeah not the best time to build right now.

At that budget it is going to be very hard to build something that is better than both the Series X and PS5. You'd be looking at an RTX 2080/RTX 2080 SUPER at the minimum for GPU. Those are right now $800-$1200 new. Second hand would be cheaper but I wouldn't advise that simply because you never know what kind of abuse the GPU has had prior. I would say buy a newer RTX 3080 but they are sold out and so are the newer AMD 6000 series GPUs.

If you have the funds and don't mind paying scalper prices you could get an RTX 3080 but again you will be paying north of $900 for a card that MSRPs for $700 USD.

Honestly.....I would say don't build right now. The market is just way too volatile for any type of budget build or conservative budget at all for that matter. Around the beginning of next year graphics card stock should start trickling in and I'd say that would be your best bet sadly.
 
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After months of trying to get a new CPU/GPU online, I finally relented and went to my local Microcenter at 4am. Scored both a 5900x and 3080. Finally getting to play so many great games and VR games at max visuals is wonderful!
 
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After months of trying to get a new CPU/GPU online, I finally relented and went to my local Microcenter at 4am. Scored both a 5900x and 3080. Finally getting to play so many great games and VR games at max visuals is wonderful!
I hate you so much. My nearest Microcenter is 6 hours away.
 
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I filled up nearly the entire 1TB SSD with games, so I had to get another 1TB stick. I do have a 750GB SATA SSD I am planning to move from my old PC to the new one, but the sticks are cleaner and faster.
 
Editor's Note, Dec. 8: At the request of the publisher, we have edited this article to remove some benchmark figures taken before the Day Zero patch that may not be representative of the consumer day one experience.


If you're looking for 60 fps, the RX 5600 XT and RTX 2060 and above will suffice. The previous generation GTX 1070 and RX Vega 56 should also manage 60 fps at 1080p medium, though we'll wait for the release code before testing those cards. Meanwhile, more modest hardware like the GTX 1060 6GB is good for 30-40 fps and not much more.
 
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Is this a good combo? How much (butt feel) do you think it is worth

  • AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8x 4.4GHz
  • 32GB DDR4-RAM PC-3000
  • Nvidia GeForce RTX3070 8GB ("Any brand", meaning, they pick what is available for faster delivery)
  • 1TB M.2 SSD NVME (Kingston KC2500) + 3TB S-ATA3 HDD (No brand indicated)
  • MSI Water cooler MAG Core Liquid 240R
  • Windows 10 Professional
  • 7.1 Sound / Gigabit-LAN (Intergated)
  • Case: Corsair iCue 465x RGB
  • WLAN Asus PCE-AC68 1300 Mbit
  • PSU be quiet 750Watt gold
  • Mainboad: Asus Prime x570-p, AMD X570 Platform
  • 36 Month Garanteed & Support
I was quoted (online site-German) 2072€
https://www.agando-shop.de/product_info.php/info/p108743

I tried self config (wthout assembly) & (not exact like for like components but as close as possible) & its about 1900€.
 
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Is this a good combo? How much (butt feel) do you think it is worth

  • AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8x 4.4GHz
  • 32GB DDR4-RAM PC-3000
  • Nvidia GeForce RTX3070 8GB ("Any brand", meaning, they pick what is available for faster delivery)
  • 1TB M.2 SSD NVME (Kingston KC2500) + 3TB S-ATA3 HDD (No brand indicated)
  • MSI Water cooler MAG Core Liquid 240R
  • Windows 10 Professional
  • 7.1 Sound / Gigabit-LAN (Intergated)
  • Case: Corsair iCue 465x RGB
  • WLAN Asus PCE-AC68 1300 Mbit
  • PSU be quiet 750Watt gold
  • Mainboad: Asus Prime x570-p, AMD X570 Platform
  • 36 Month Garanteed & Support
I was quoted (online site-German) 2072€
https://www.agando-shop.de/product_info.php/info/p108743

I tried self config (wthout assembly) & (not exact like for like components but as close as possible) & its about 1900€.

That's a pretty good system. I'm a little surprised with the 3700x with the 5000 series being out but its still a very capable processor. I'm not the biggest fan of water cooled anything as it needs more attention than I feel its worth but with 36 months of support it should be a non issue.
 
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Is this a good combo? How much (butt feel) do you think it is worth

  • AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8x 4.4GHz
  • 32GB DDR4-RAM PC-3000
  • Nvidia GeForce RTX3070 8GB ("Any brand", meaning, they pick what is available for faster delivery)
  • 1TB M.2 SSD NVME (Kingston KC2500) + 3TB S-ATA3 HDD (No brand indicated)
  • MSI Water cooler MAG Core Liquid 240R
  • Windows 10 Professional
  • 7.1 Sound / Gigabit-LAN (Intergated)
  • Case: Corsair iCue 465x RGB
  • WLAN Asus PCE-AC68 1300 Mbit
  • PSU be quiet 750Watt gold
  • Mainboad: Asus Prime x570-p, AMD X570 Platform
  • 36 Month Garanteed & Support
I was quoted (online site-German) 2072€
https://www.agando-shop.de/product_info.php/info/p108743

I tried self config (wthout assembly) & (not exact like for like components but as close as possible) & its about 1900€.

It looks good to me but I don't know enough about SSD speeds or water cooling.

Looks like your motherboard does support Zen 3 so you can upgrade later on.

A 3060ti wouldn't be bad either if you can't find a 3070.

Cyberpunk 2077 comes in like a day, that will be the definitive benchmark for a while. I'd like to see how that 3700x holds up playing Ultra with RT on.

Edit: starseeker - What's your goal with that rig? Are you looking to play at 4k? Or are you looking to play at the highest framerate possible (144hz gaming)? How long do need this PC to last you without needing an upgrade?
 
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3900RTX is in stock now. Went out yesterday to Saturn (electronic store) & saw 2 3090RTX on store shelf. But at 1750€, the price is hard to swallow.
 
It looks good to me but I don't know enough about SSD speeds or water cooling.

Looks like your motherboard does support Zen 3 so you can upgrade later on.

A 3060ti wouldn't be bad either if you can't find a 3070.

Cyberpunk 2077 comes in like a day, that will be the definitive benchmark for a while. I'd like to see how that 3700x holds up playing Ultra with RT on.

Edit: starseeker - What's your goal with that rig? Are you looking to play at 4k? Or are you looking to play at the highest framerate possible (144hz gaming)? How long do need this PC to last you without needing an upgrade?
I hope it can last 4-5 years, like my current rig. 4K would be nice, but I can go with 1440p
 
I hope it can last 4-5 years, like my current rig. 4K would be nice, but I can go with 1440p

Yeah, Cyberpunk threw a monkey wrench in everything. It only uses multithreading for Intel CPUs so they got much better performance than the AMD CPUs (for now). I'm expecting them to patch it fairly soon so I wouldn't worry about getting an AMD CPU. Then Ultra + Ray Tracing is just killing GPUs. You definitely won't get 1440p native at max settings (w/ RT) with a 3060ti in Cyberpunk 2077.
 
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I'm going to ask a potentially ignorant/stupid question.

Let's say I don't care about gaming, and I have a PC that is 10 years old (maybe more) and I see that some intel CPU's are on blowout and all I care about is raw performance for the NEXT ten years,

Intel Core i7-10700 vs

INTEL Core i9-9900K


assuming these are both the same price (which they are) and I'm fine with that price range for the CPU, is the i9 a good idea?

ps: trying to help my dad build a new PC.
 
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I'm going to ask a potentially ignorant/stupid question.

Let's say I don't care about gaming, and I have a PC that is 10 years old (maybe more) and I see that some intel CPU's are on blowout and all I care about is raw performance for the NEXT ten years,

Intel Core i7-10700 vs

INTEL Core i9-9900K


assuming these are both the same price (which they are) and I'm fine with that price range for the CPU, is the i9 a good idea?

ps: trying to help my dad build a new PC.

Yeah, so I bought the i9 for $430 canadian. I plan to replace my i5-8400 with it, and also sell my 1070ti and use the onboard graphics and wait it out. I figure there's no way to upgrade my PC (that isn't that old btw) Z370 other than the CPU. And I feel like the 1070ti isn't going to cut it going forward, so why not make a switcheroo there, upgrade the CPU significantly, sell my i5 and the 1070ti.......hopefully get enough that it's a freebie upgrade. I just hate the bother of all that, but that's what I'm gonna do I guess.

Anyway, I'm gonna sit on it for a bit, I can always return the i9 while I contemplate this whole thing. f***! I can't believe I bought an i9. Hope my Seasonic Focus+ Gold 650w is good enough (I'd imagine it's fine)
 
Yeah, so I bought the i9 for $430 canadian. I plan to replace my i5-8400 with it, and also sell my 1070ti and use the onboard graphics and wait it out. I figure there's no way to upgrade my PC (that isn't that old btw) Z370 other than the CPU. And I feel like the 1070ti isn't going to cut it going forward, so why not make a switcheroo there, upgrade the CPU significantly, sell my i5 and the 1070ti.......hopefully get enough that it's a freebie upgrade. I just hate the bother of all that, but that's what I'm gonna do I guess.

Anyway, I'm gonna sit on it for a bit, I can always return the i9 while I contemplate this whole thing. f***! I can't believe I bought an i9. Hope my Seasonic Focus+ Gold 650w is good enough (I'd imagine it's fine)

I got caught up in this whole Cyberpunk 2077 thing. I would have gone with the 10700. Lower tdp, good boost frequency etc.. With the k variants I think they are expecting you to water cool the CPU in order to get that extra performance.
 
I got caught up in this whole Cyberpunk 2077 thing. I would have gone with the 10700. Lower tdp, good boost frequency etc.. With the k variants I think they are expecting you to water cool the CPU in order to get that extra performance.

Well maybe not water cooling but they are expecting you to have some kind of after market cooling as the K skus are multiplier unlocked for overclocking.
 
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I haven't updated about the i9 thing because, well, I really regret it and I'm kind of embarrassed about the whole thing. My motherboard died in the process. I'm back with the i5 for now.

I'm also now using the RMA'd MSI z370 that eventually arrived and I had never tried it (my first one died, bought a new one and set the first one out for RMA and I'm using that one now, lol, shocked it isn't a lemon too) So I'm on my 3rd MSI MB same model. Suffice to say MSI is off my motherboard list next time I do a build from scratch (or if this one fails) ASUS is already off my list because of multiple MB failures on a past build. Gigabyte or Asrock next I guess.

Anyway, the whole thing was REALLY stressful. I have a backup PC and it's ok, but can't do everything and I keep it barebones software wise. It's an old Core2Duo, 800mhz DDR2 ram, yeah.......it's nice to have a backup though lol.

I'm actually going to keep my 1070ti, and eventually drop the i9 in. I didn't realize I needed the latest BIOS update and just put it in, MB died. I have the latest BIOS now and theoretically it should be fine.

I think my aftermarket cooler (Be Quiet! Shadow LP) should be good. The i9 was 40% off I couldn't resist, but if I could go back in time I'd not bother because it was a stupid decision. I'll probably put it in next time I have a few days off, work is just too crazy right now and I don't want to f*** with my main PC until I have the time to really think it all through, and PC failures and the financial aspect it requires to fix is just too much stress for me at the moment.

GeorgeSoros I can't put a 10 series on my MB different socket.
 
I got caught up in this whole Cyberpunk 2077 thing. I would have gone with the 10700. Lower tdp, good boost frequency etc.. With the k variants I think they are expecting you to water cool the CPU in order to get that extra performance.

Also the i9 thing really was me trying to convince my Dad to get a new PC as his is really old. He decided not yet. And then I somehow convinced myself that I should buy it. So stupid :(
 
GeorgeSoros I can't put a 10 series on my MB different socket.

In the first post you said an i7-10700 vs an i9900k. Given those two choices I would have picked the i7-10700.

I'm actually going to keep my 1070ti, and eventually drop the i9 in. I didn't realize I needed the latest BIOS update and just put it in, MB died. I have the latest BIOS now and theoretically it should be fine.

Died? Why couldn't you just pop the old CPU back in and update the bios?

I'm also now using the RMA'd MSI z370 that eventually arrived and I had never tried it (my first one died, bought a new one and set the first one out for RMA and I'm using that one now, lol, shocked it isn't a lemon too) So I'm on my 3rd MSI MB same model. Suffice to say MSI is off my motherboard list next time I do a build from scratch (or if this one fails) ASUS is already off my list because of multiple MB failures on a past build. Gigabyte or Asrock next I guess.

Lol, I had an ASROCK that failed (it started having cold boot issues). I believe it had something to do with my GPU that runs hot. It gets up to 87 degrees Celsius under load, at stock. That and the case is designed in a way that doesn't leave much space between the GPU and the power supply causing the board to get hot (even with extra fans added).

I replaced it with one of those durable brand motherboards. I also had to set a hard limit of 77 degrees on the GPU through NZXT since the software that came with the GPU wouldn't allow this.

I've had two Gigabyte motherboards and they both had issues where I had to reset the bios every so often in order to get the PC to work. And this was with two different GPUs and CPUs.
 
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