Possible first AC IV footage

Must be comfy living under that rock of yours. If you aren't making such arguments, then clearly my point wasn't directed at you, but let's not play make believe and pretend as if the prevailing 'wisdom' around the internet since January was anywhere near as passive. The predominant assumption has always been that multiplats on PS4, even from day 1, would be demonstrating utterly huge visual differences. We heard claims of 1080p vs 720p, 60fps vs 30fps...all sorts of nonsense.

The counter argument was always that X1's architecture was much mroe divorced from PC design and more complex, so ppl leaning on PC parts for guiding their intuition were only setting themselves up to look stupid. The push back from that point by Sony fans was that the architectures are both GCN and in their version of reality that means the architectures are the same (because GPU architecture is synonymous with graphics pipeline design to ppl too dim to pay attention to X1's leaked info). The conclusion ppl drew from that, and one which is still pushed to this day, is that if the architectures are the same and if PS4 was way easier to dev for and if PS4 was dramatically more powerful then it's a perfect storm for X1 multiplats to be mercilessly slaughtered in comparisons.

Obviously both machines will be far from tapped out day 1. That's got nothing to do with the arguments being levied. Never has. The claims were that everything was conspiring to expose X1 as totally incapable of being competitive visually speaking on day 1, right from the get go, and that it'd get worse as time goes on. Now all the sudden the goalposts are being moved. Now multiplats don't count and it's because MS are evil and money hatted DF, devs, pubs, etc. Or MS is secretly showing off PC versions but the REAL X1 sku looks nothing like that! Or lazy devs who betrayed their fanbase by swearing allegiance to MS. Or whatever other emotionally convenient mental gymnastics the ever creative drones come up with between now and November 22nd.

In the meantime, Sony fans are backpedalling like crazy. Multiplats? Don't count anymore...unless they favor PS4. Exclusives? Don't count since it's launch...unless it favors Killzone. In that case the victory is decisive and damning for [reasons]. What about 2014? We will see PS4 dominance! Year of the PS4! Yup...any day now. Just gotta be patient. Totally not the same bulls*** mantra the nutjob fanboys peddled with 'year of the PS3' year after year last gen! Yup...totally different! Derp.


Well said this is exactly what sony fans have been pushing down over everyone's eyes!! Wait till a game runs and preforms better on X1 then your going to see excuses!! Like I said before different Gen same story!!
 
Ubisoft has a long history of showing their games off on PCs and passing it off as console footage. Nothing new.
 
some one making the GIFs from X1 version
and it is damn impressive, the PS4 version vegetation is not react to the player movement
it is just passing through

Somehow the plant/vegetation on X1 version is react, just like Ryse of X1
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That's one of many features the next gen consoles will have over current gen with this game. Go look at any video of the PS4 version of the game that takes place in an area where that X1 video is taking place and it does the same thing, stop being such a fool, btw the plants do move in that PS4 gif it's just not as obvious. All you ever seem to do is come up with lies and bull crap, everything you say is proven false so why do you even bother?
 
That's one of many features the next gen consoles will have over current gen with this game. Go look at any video of the PS4 version of the game that takes place in an area where that X1 video is taking place and it does the same thing, stop being such an idiot.
*sigh* STFU

I forgot to put him on ignore when I joined this site, seeing him post just brings back all of his lies lol.
 
PS4 version is not moved BTW

from PS4
Probably X1 is newer Build

From Latest PS4 version same time as X1
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/09/05/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-open-sea-walkthrough

All PS4 footage there is no movement, that my complaint, as i beleive X1 will have it too
so it is suprising X1 have implemented the features.

LATEST PS4 video of AC4
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almost same segment
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Go back and watch any footage of the PS4 version that takes place in that area with those big leaves, it all moves and we've been seeing that since E3. As far as the gifs with the shark and the Orca coming up, totally different time of day and totally different animals. I honestly don't think you've seen one video of this game until you saw someone say possible X1 footage. You are picking things up like they are new yet they've been shown and talked about in interviews for months.
 
let's not play make believe and pretend as if the prevailing 'wisdom' around the internet since January was anywhere near as passive. The predominant assumption has always been that multiplats on PS4, even from day 1, would be demonstrating utterly huge visual differences.
That's an exaggeration.
Not to say that those sentiments were never expressed, but to suggest that it was the "prevailing wisdom on the internet"?
Perhaps if "the internet" means threads full of fanboys engaged in flame wars.
 
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That's an exaggeration.
Not to say that those sentiments were never expressed, but to suggest that it was the "prevailing wisdom on the internet"?
Perhaps if "the internet" means threads full of fanboys engaged in flame wars.

'Internet' meaning gaming forums and the gaming press in this context. Or youtube comments sections if ya'd like to add that forum into the mix. Basically it was the predominant viewpoint anywhere gaming was being discussed in any detail. And it's not even slightly exaggerated. Perhaps you just don't recall what ppl were saying earlier in the year.
 
An assumption based on nothing whatsoever hardly seems to justify your post here.

Other than the mouse cursor present, yes I'm assuming. Kinda like seeing ABXY everyone automatically assumes XBO....because PCs are totally incapable of displaying said button prompts.
 
I wouldn't use a first gen multiplat game, that is still on current gen hardware to demonstrate the differences in console player. how many platforms is this game gonna be on......
 
I wouldn't use a first gen multiplat game, that is still on current gen hardware to demonstrate the differences in console player. how many platforms is this game gonna be on......

Using logic ruins the narrative that the entire internet has it in for MS/XBO.
 
Other than the mouse cursor present, yes I'm assuming. Kinda like seeing ABXY everyone automatically assumes XBO....because PCs are totally incapable of displaying said button prompts.

The PC version won't have X1 button prompts as that controller isn't compatible with that sku. You see a mouse cursor for the same reason we saw the backspace key in the BF4 footage at E3. These are games in development running on dev kits with assets lingering from the PC version they get ported from. Suggesting this is the PC version is highly misleading. They wouldn't show off console footage for both new platforms with direct feed vids if the implication was that the retail version wouldn't look exactly the same. Not 5 weeks before release at least.
 
I wouldn't use a first gen multiplat game, that is still on current gen hardware to demonstrate the differences in console player. how many platforms is this game gonna be on......

You can see the same parity in the exclusives too. And if anything, if the power was there we'd be seeing it favor PS4 as that is purportedly the vastly simpler dev environment. Your argument would apply moreso if PS4 was wildly difficult to program for like the PS3 was. But here that excuse doesn't fit. It's supposedly easier to program for and supposedly much more powerful. If that were true, the only way we should see parity is if they crippled the PS4 version (has prolly never happened in the history of modern gaming btw). They have a marketing deal with Sony, so I doubt they would be the first dev to actually cripple that sku in favor of parity with X1.



Ketto, that narrative (minus its hyperbolic twisting on your end) is demonstrable. Just as it was demonstrable after the KZ2 CGI showing in 2005 before Sony pared back its hardware specs and it was discovered as being faked footage. In the interim between, there was a similar narrative both with the press and all over forums.
 
The PC version won't have X1 button prompts as that controller isn't compatible with that sku. You see a mouse cursor for the same reason we saw the backspace key in the BF4 footage at E3. These are games in development running on dev kits with assets lingering from the PC version they get ported from. Suggesting this is the PC version is highly misleading. They wouldn't show off console footage for both new platforms with direct feed vids if the implication was that the retail version wouldn't look exactly the same. Not 5 weeks before release at least.

Yet for the PS4 walkthrough there was no mouse cursor despite specifically showing off the map via touch pad. And we saw the backspace key during the E3 footage because...it was running on PCs specced to XBO's devkits which brings me to my next point below.

You're completely incorrect about XBO not being compatible with PC; that statement is wholly for consumer space and not at all to do with developer space...hence at PAX BF4 was suppose to be running on XBO, but in reality was simply running on PCs with XBO controllers hooked up. The fact you can even use an XBO controller on their PC devkits pretty much kills that argument anyway.

Lastly those prompts are from the 360 controller anyway (the dpad at 8:00 is the 360's dpad and not the XBO's, nor are the triggers) though you could argue the prompts haven't changed in look from the 360 to XBO; but then you'd have to explain why during AC4 PS4 walkthroughs the prompts reflect the difference in shape in R1/L1 from PS3 to PS4.

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XBO vs 360 dpad
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Yet for the PS4 walkthrough there was no mouse cursor despite specifically showing off the map via touch pad. And we saw the backspace key during the E3 footage because...it was running on PCs specced to XBO's devkits which brings me to my next point below.

You're completely incorrect about XBO not being compatible with PC; that statement is wholly for consumer space and not at all to do with developer space...hence at PAX BF4 was suppose to be running on XBO, but in reality was simply running on PCs with XBO controllers hooked up. The fact you can even use an XBO controller on their PC devkits pretty much kills that argument anyway.

Lastly those prompts are from the 360 controller anyway (the dpad at 8:00 is the 360's dpad and not the XBO's, nor are the triggers) though you could argue the prompts haven't changed in look from the 360 to XBO; but then you'd have to explain why during AC4 PS4 walkthroughs the prompts reflect the difference in shape in R1/L1 from PS3 to PS4.

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XBO vs 360 dpad
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Astrograd will try to convince you that you are wrong, even though you arent or he will say that he's been saying this for months before anyone and that you are agreeing with him. Typical Astro responses.
 
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AC4 uses the same engine as AC3. Not impressive enough to warrant getting excited over IMO. I love their water engine though. It looked great even on the PS3.
 
They have been showing off PC games using X1 controllers for a while haven't they? at the COD Ghosts MP unveiling where the press got to play it they all said it was being played on PC's using X1 controllers, not X1 dev kits.
 
Yet for the PS4 walkthrough there was no mouse cursor despite specifically showing off the map via touch pad.

...which means absolutely nothing.

And we saw the backspace key during the E3 footage because...it was running on PCs specced to XBO's devkits which brings me to my next point below.

Which isn't the same thing as running "the PC version" of the game.

You're completely incorrect about XBO not being compatible with PC; that statement is wholly for consumer space and not at all to do with developer space...

No, my point was that they aren't showing footage from the PC version of the game as you had claimed. They didn't toss in button prompts that won't be used in the retail build for the PC version just for s***s and grins.

...hence at PAX BF4 was suppose to be running on XBO, but in reality was simply running on PCs with XBO controllers hooked up.

Running on a dev kit is not the same thing as running "the PC version".

The fact you can even use an XBO controller on their PC devkits pretty much kills that argument anyway.

Not if you actually understand what I said before posting.

Lastly those prompts are from the 360 controller anyway

No. The face button prompts are for the X1 version which has colored letters only.
 
Yeah that d-pad makes it quite clear. We'll just have to wait and see, but i expect both next-gen console versions to look and perform identical. If PC is yet again king, it just shows that PC will always be above consoles. That's why i dont get some devs awhile ago that said PS4 would be more powerful than high end pc's for a few years to come...or whatever they said.

Ubisoft has a long history of showing their games off on PCs and passing it off as console footage. Nothing new.
Well...yes and no. To be fair, i don't recall them ever claiming something was console footage. Even though Far Cry 3 was being demonstrated with the PS3 controller at E3 back then, it was us that concluded it had to be PS3, without thinking of the possibility of it being PS3 pad connected to PC. It clearly is better for demo purposes to use a controller. I do agree that it is a bit misleading too though.
 
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They have been showing off PC games using X1 controllers for a while haven't they? at the COD Ghosts MP unveiling where the press got to play it they all said it was being played on PC's using X1 controllers, not X1 dev kits.

The alpha dev kits = PC's. That's also not what Ketto said. He said it was the PC version. Not that it was the X1 version being played on an alpha dev kit PC.
 
The alpha dev kits = PC's. That's also not what Ketto said. He said it was the PC version. Not that it was the X1 version being played on an alpha dev kit PC.

It very well could be the PC version, it's not like you can prove it isn't or he can prove it is so we probably shouldn't spend a lot of time on it. We saw clearly that BF4 at E3 was being played on PC's that gave the players options to use controllers or mouse/keyboard, it was said afterwards by Peter Moore that they were PC's made to match the X1 hardware. We have no idea if what was used at the COD event were PC's using controllers or alpha dev kits, to my knowledge it was never said by Activision to be the X1 version of the game either.