Project Scarlett (next-gen Xbox)

Rollins

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48 GB of GDDR6 RAM? 4TB SSD?

HAHAHAHAHA!
Seriously though, if true, dev kitsch are always going to be much more powerful for dev purposes...
I agree with you, and I thought the numbers seemed ridiculous. I’m guessing it’s someone having fun and making sh*t up.

I also just came across this, which I was unaware of. I didn’t know the numbers for the X1X dev kit were so high..?

“Internally, the dev kit contains more horsepower than what future Scorpio owners will have with their own copy of the console. It contains four more compute units, an additional 12GB of GDDR5 memory (for a total of 24GB of RAM), and an extra 1TB SSD. Compare that to the specs of the retail version of Scorpio, which has only 12GB of GDDR5 RAM and a 1TB drive. Gammill mentioned that the extra hardware within the dev kit allows developers to improve their development iteration time, which allows them to quickly go through the process of debugging a specific build of the game, transferring it to the dev kit, and then testing it for further errors.”
 

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I’m assuming he’s posting this because we’ll probably see it next-gen..?

 

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I’m assuming he’s posting this because we’ll probably see it next-gen..?

Well, as far as I know, the Next Box isn't using Nvidia. Still, I believe MS has been investing in Ray tracing tech, so hopefully...
 

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Well, as far as I know, the Next Box isn't using Nvidia. Still, I believe MS has been investing in Ray tracing tech, so hopefully...
Seeing as Direct X is Microsoft technology (as such DXR as well), yes they have been heavily investing. With a RTX2060 card being $399 today at retail, I'd imagine we'd see raytracing level above that for next gen consoles (1.5 years until next gen). Yes it will be AMD's flavor of raytracing but I expect it to be on par with Nvidia. Really hoping MS brings out all the guns this E3 with the games and hardware announcements!
 

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I originally posted this in another (wrong) thread.

Looks like the PS5 will have an SSD so I was wrong when I said I didn't believe the rumors of the next xbox having an SSD, clearly both of them will be doing that next gen. If I'm wrong about something I'll admit it and I was wrong about this :)
 

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I originally posted this in another (wrong) thread.

Looks like the PS5 will have an SSD so I was wrong when I said I didn't believe the rumors of the next xbox having an SSD, clearly both of them will be doing that next gen. If I'm wrong about something I'll admit it and I was wrong about this :)
 

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If both consoles are gonna be beasts....good times ahead.
 

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Klobrille doubling down (at ResetEra) on Anaconda being more powerful than PS5...

 

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This guy is apparently also verified to have industry knowledge

 

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Still hopping that whatever SKUs are released that they have the same power. We don’t need a rocket launcher along with the same rocket launcher only the end of its barrel it’s painted orange, let that first one become the second half way through it’s life
 

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Damn... Anaconda sounds like it’s going to be beast. I love that it will be BC with all Xbox One games and all the best 360 games and a few OG games. Huge library off the bat. Not to mention all the new first party studios.

2020 is too far away :(
 

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So last Tuesday was quite something for sure. I don't think many people saw that coming. I ended up never buying a PS4 after all and now I'm just gonna wait for the PS5. The X will do me just fine.

Anyway, one thing that really stuck out and we need more clarity on that is the no loading times thing. They tested it with Spidey, a PS4 game, but will actual PS5 makes no longer have loading times as well I wonder? If they truly do that, that's a game changer and I sure hope and expect MS will do the exact same. I would be immensely disappointed if Anaconda will have annoying long loading times while PS5 does away with them. Thoughts?
 

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So last Tuesday was quite something for sure. I don't think many people saw that coming. I ended up never buying a PS4 after all and now I'm just gonna wait for the PS5. The X will do me just fine.

Anyway, one thing that really stuck out and we need more clarity on that is the no loading times thing. They tested it with Spidey, a PS4 game, but will actual PS5 makes no longer have loading times as well I wonder? If they truly do that, that's a game changer and I sure hope and expect MS will do the exact same. I would be immensely disappointed if Anaconda will have annoying long loading times while PS5 does away with them. Thoughts?
Woah dude. Where the hell have you been?
 

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So last Tuesday was quite something for sure. I don't think many people saw that coming. I ended up never buying a PS4 after all and now I'm just gonna wait for the PS5. The X will do me just fine.

Anyway, one thing that really stuck out and we need more clarity on that is the no loading times thing. They tested it with Spidey, a PS4 game, but will actual PS5 makes no longer have loading times as well I wonder? If they truly do that, that's a game changer and I sure hope and expect MS will do the exact same. I would be immensely disappointed if Anaconda will have annoying long loading times while PS5 does away with them. Thoughts?
There’ll still be loading times, maybe worse than what the Switch has, since they’ll be much larger games.
 

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Woah dude. Where the hell have you been?
Several not so great things in my life early last year, and I've mostly been following game news and playing some stuff here and there. Sorry for abandoning you guys. :(

There’ll still be loading times, maybe worse than what the Switch has, since they’ll be much larger games.
Hmmm, ok. So even with that special SSD that is apparently going to be in the PS5, and according to Cerny faster than any PC SSD now, there still will be loading times? People on ResetEra are going to be in for a rude awakening then because I saw plenty of posters absolutely thinking it will be a thing next gen. Sounded too good to be true anyway.

I also believe Cerny never promises that in the article, does he? I haven't yet seen what Digital Foundry says about it.
 

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Well welcome back. Hope all is well.
 

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Several not so great things in my life early last year, and I've mostly been following game news and playing some stuff here and there. Sorry for abandoning you guys. :(



Hmmm, ok. So even with that special SSD that is apparently going to be in the PS5, and according to Cerny faster than any PC SSD now, there still will be loading times? People on ResetEra are going to be in for a rude awakening then because I saw plenty of posters absolutely thinking it will be a thing next gen. Sounded too good to be true anyway.

I also believe Cerny never promises that in the article, does he? I haven't yet seen what Digital Foundry says about it.

I kinda sorta maybe skimmed the article, but what I got is demonstration Cerny put on was with Spider-Man showcasing the fast-travel went from 18-16 seconds down to 0.8 seconds. Can’t recall if they mentioned anything about initial start-up load.
 

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Well welcome back. Hope all is well.
To make a long story short, I lost two loved ones almost at the same time. My mom super unexpectedly passed away and if that wasn't bad enough my dog was also about to reach her last stop. So I had to say my final goodbye to them on the same day. Life can be miserable at times. But it's going well now. Got myself a new friend, a new dog. Now we continue and look forward to the great things in life again :)

I also had been posting a little on ResetEra, until I got banned (permanently, sigh) a month ago or so. First they said it was a temp ban of a week and then it just changed into permanent. I was merely asking people in a certain thread to take it easy with jumping to conclusions and always believing everything the media says. To always do your own research too and check facts.

I had forgotten what a terrible place Era quickly had become. They started out fine and quickly became GAF 2 if you ask me. s***post after s***post, people always b****ing about anything, always offended about every single thing and if you say something about it and others report you, you'll either get warned or banned. I'm glad to be gone from there, they don't let you speak your mind at all there.


I kinda sorta maybe skimmed the article, but what I got is demonstration Cerny put on was with Spider-Man showcasing the fast-travel went from 18-16 seconds down to 0.8 seconds. Can’t recall if they mentioned anything about initial start-up load.
Yep that was quite nice, but it's also a PS4 game,wonder how PS5 games will fare. But let's wait and see. SSD should bring some much needed improvements but they probably won't do away with loading times. I'm sure Cerny has a lot of talent but he can't do the impossible. Even if a lot of hardcore PS fans definitely now seem to think so.
 

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So last Tuesday was quite something for sure. I don't think many people saw that coming. I ended up never buying a PS4 after all and now I'm just gonna wait for the PS5. The X will do me just fine.

Anyway, one thing that really stuck out and we need more clarity on that is the no loading times thing. They tested it with Spidey, a PS4 game, but will actual PS5 makes no longer have loading times as well I wonder? If they truly do that, that's a game changer and I sure hope and expect MS will do the exact same. I would be immensely disappointed if Anaconda will have annoying long loading times while PS5 does away with them. Thoughts?
I think you're in the wrong thread, this is the Xbox section, not the crapstation.
Have a nice day 😊
 

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Yep that was quite nice, but it's also a PS4 game,wonder how PS5 games will fare. But let's wait and see. SSD should bring some much needed improvements but they probably won't do away with loading times. I'm sure Cerny has a lot of talent but he can't do the impossible. Even if a lot of hardcore PS fans definitely now seem to think so.
Welcome back!

I am intrigued by what Cerny is saying, but I also have my doubts that they're going to have a storage solution that's faster than anything available on PC, unless they're somehow sticking a TB into persistent L3/4 cache or some such. (Or, I suppose, if he's saying it's a PCIe 4.0, which would make his statement true if he's saying that an end user can't buy anything that fast yet - though it has been tested https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-pcie-4.0-phison-nvme,38418.html ).

Fortunately, we know XBox will leverage the power of the cloud so all the gigabits and turribleflops and flippityfloppityfloos you ever need will come straight into your machine from the cloud, without having the intermediary of writing to a disk, so it'll be the fastest fast that's ever fasted.
 

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I think you're in the wrong thread, this is the Xbox section, not the crapstation.
Have a nice day 😊
Haha, sounds like you're not too fond of Playstation. Nah I was just curious about some impressions here. No loading or at least significantly shorter loading times would be a live saver. Man I remember Witcher 3 on base Xbox One, Jesus.

It's starting to sound more and more like it will be Xbox that will have the edge over Sony, again. Unless insiders and rumors are wrong, but they all hint at Xbox being more powerful or at least MS absolutely aiming to be the most powerful.

Welcome back!

I am intrigued by what Cerny is saying, but I also have my doubts that they're going to have a storage solution that's faster than anything available on PC, unless they're somehow sticking a TB into persistent L3/4 cache or some such. (Or, I suppose, if he's saying it's a PCIe 4.0, which would make his statement true if he's saying that an end user can't buy anything that fast yet - though it has been tested https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-pcie-4.0-phison-nvme,38418.html ).

Fortunately, we know XBox will leverage the power of the cloud so all the gigabits and turribleflops and flippityfloppityfloos you ever need will come straight into your machine from the cloud, without having the intermediary of writing to a disk, so it'll be the fastest fast that's ever fasted.
You mean Xcloud? It sounds promising but right now I am definitely taking the wait and see approach when it comes to game streaming. Google Stadia as well sounds great, lots of nice promises, but will it truly be what they said? Certainly not this year. I don't believe that.

Anyway, a poster on Era that seems to be in the know about things just said this :

The secret sauce that makes PS5 loading speed "faster than gaming PC" is GPU Decompression.

Which have been implemented in Scarlett (I mean, both SKUs).
GPU fits better with parallel jobs, and decompression (to decompress game assets or sth...) is easy to be parallelized.

GPU Decompression is much faster than CPU, about 20+x.

And consoles are lucky to be Unified Memory platform, which reduces the cost of "copying" game assets to VRAM (and more).
The poster is hmqgg.
 

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You mean Xcloud? It sounds promising but right now I am definitely taking the wait and see approach when it comes to game streaming. Google Stadia as well sounds great, lots of nice promises, but will it truly be what they said? Certainly not this year. I don't believe that.
You might have missed the proclamation: Courier new is the official sarcasm font of UVGF. :)
 

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Haha, sounds like you're not too fond of Playstation. Nah I was just curious about some impressions here. No loading or at least significantly shorter loading times would be a live saver. Man I remember Witcher 3 on base Xbox One, Jesus.



It's starting to sound more and more like it will be Xbox that will have the edge over Sony, again. Unless insiders and rumors are wrong, but they all hint at Xbox being more powerful or at least MS absolutely aiming to be the most powerful.



You mean Xcloud? It sounds promising but right now I am definitely taking the wait and see approach when it comes to game streaming. Google Stadia as well sounds great, lots of nice promises, but will it truly be what they said? Certainly not this year. I don't believe that.

Anyway, a poster on Era that seems to be in the know about things just said this :





The poster is hmqgg.
👍 Don't always believe Mark 'the fart' Cerny, he's often flapping his lie maker, doing Damage control. He knows Xbox anaconda will be the strongest console
 

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👍 Don't always believe Mark 'the fart' Cerny, he's often flapping his lie maker, doing Damage control. He knows Xbox anaconda will be the strongest console
True. We are still waiting for the PS Pro secret sauce that doubles the Pro’s teraflops according to Cerny.

"In other words, at full floats, we have 4.2 teraflops. With half-floats, it's now double that, which is to say, 8.4 teraflops in 16-bit computation. This has the potential to radically increase performance."
 

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True. We are still waiting for the PS Pro secret sauce that doubles the Pro’s teraflops according to Cerny.
Yup.. if Mark 'the fart' Cerny's lips are moving, he's lying 😂