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Ok, NOW I'm excited!

Next - gen hair:

Well that wasn't creepy at all... Nice tech though. Big issue with that is we've been seeing awesome hair demos for a while. Still, this Gen was a marked step up on the hair end over last...
 
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Cross-gen gameplay confirmed by Sony, for those who care:

"Kodera-san added that backward compatibility is positive not simply because you can play old games on the next-gen console, but also because the community can enjoy the games together via cross-generation gameplay."

https://twinfinite.net/2019/05/ps5-backward-compatibility-sony/

The same article goes into a little more about the "partnership" between Sony and MS, which I won't cover here as it's off topic. But it sounds like it's in very preliminary stages.
 
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Well that wasn't creepy at all... Nice tech though. Big issue with that is we've been seeing awesome hair demos for a while. Still, this Gen was a marked step up on the hair end over last...
Funny thing is I find the more they make hair move in games the more distracting and fake it looks. It almost seems like it moves too much and doesn't end up looking natural.
 

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Well that wasn't creepy at all... Nice tech though. Big issue with that is we've been seeing awesome hair demos for a while. Still, this Gen was a marked step up on the hair end over last...
How much do you think will translate to actual gameplay?
 

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Playstation's Dominic Mallinson on the future of VR. He isn't necessarily talking about PSVR 2 in all of this, but it's interesting nonetheless, and some of it may be relevant to PS5.


".... This is the takeaway Mallinson talked about the most, both onstage and in our follow-up. He gave three examples of evolutionary hardware improvements first, and offered his predictions.

“The first is resolution,” Mallinson explained. “This is more pixels per degree. It’s about the sharpness and the clarity of the display. And you have to be able to match what people expect to see today with high definition. I would expect the resolution to roughly double in the next set of VR products.”



“Along with that, we also need a greater field of view,” he continued. “The human visual system is out to about 180 degrees. Most VR headsets today are about 100 degrees. There are diminishing returns to get wider. But I would expect the next set of products to be roughly 120 degrees in terms of field of view.

“And finally, HDR. In the TV industry, HDR is already incredibly important to creating the best experiences. The human eye sees an enormous range of light from bright sunlight to deep shadow. Today’s VR panels only capture a tiny fraction of that. So in order to increase the sense of presence, I do expect to see HDR adopted in the near future.”


And with that, Mallinson quickly moved to revolutionary changes.



Mallinson cares a lot about wireless high-end VR because of the adoption implications.

“User comfort is incredibly important in order to widen the adoption of virtual reality,” Mallinson emphasized. “There are many aspects to user comfort. I’m just going to touch on one here. And that is the cable. Being tethered to this cable is inconvenient. And it’s not just about getting tangled up in the cable. It’s not just about the restriction in your motion. It’s also about how you set things up, how you configure the system, where you store it. Let’s face it, having a mess of cables in your living space is just not attractive. So this is something that we have to solve in order to get wider adoption.”

He offered two solutions: an all-in-one headset, where the compute is part of the headset, and using wireless transmission technology to replace the cable. [....]

Multiple versions
The second takeaway led us to an obvious follow-up question: Are there plans to modularize PSVR2? Not exactly, but there could be multiple versions.

“It’s certainly an option,” Mallinson agreed. “I talked about wireless, for example. That’s one easy way to do it. Here’s a wired headset. You can take the wire and replace it with wireless. And then you can have a range. So you can have an introductory model and a high-end model. That’s something we’ve done with PlayStation 4. We could do that with PSVR.”

Mallinson didn’t commit to anything, but the options he raised will send the rumor mill into overdrive.

Saving the best for last, Mallinson talked about the form of user input that he believes will succeed touch.

“Gaze tracking — this is the technology that excites me the most,” Mallinson declared. “We’re already beginning to see this in some products on display at industry events. I think it has the greatest potential to change the VR user experience at a pretty fundamental level. [more about this and other stuff at the link]

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What does Sony need to do to keep up momentum for PSVR?

“Many, many things. The most important one is to keep good content coming through the pipeline. To really encourage all the developers out to there to make more great VR content. That is number one. From a hardware point of view, it is the comfort and the encumberance of the device. So the easier to take it off, the easier it is to set it up, and have a very comfortable, ergonomic experience, that’s our biggest goal.”

https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/23/playstations-dominic-mallinson-on-next-gen-vr-wireless-gaze-tracking-foveated-rendering-and-ar/


In terms of PSVR 2.0, the takeaway for me is that there could potentially be two different versions of PSVR offered with the PS5 -- a wired model and a high-end, wireless model. It sounds like he's just tossing out possibilities, not hinting at what will actually happen, so who knows, but I'm imagining a scenario where an improved wired model comes out alongside the PS5, and then a wireless model is released a few years later -- analogous to how the Pro came out a few years after the base PS4.
 
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Latest rumor points to PS5 being 1TF higher than Anaconda... We will find out very soon because the leaker states that Sony will reveal PS5 June 3.

Also says that MW will have a reveal trailer May 30th.
 
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MS pretty much all but confirmed PS5 is more powerful ...Gone was the over confidence of we are the most powerful thing ever to "that WE have ever created"...Ouch !!!
 

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MS pretty much all but confirmed PS5 is more powerful ...Gone was the over confidence of we are the most powerful thing ever to "that WE have ever created"...Ouch !!!
How do you conclude that? They said this thing “eats monsters for breakfast.”
 

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He was asked about it on twitter and he said he heard that from developers so he's not going by what's been going around on forums either. Either way I doubt it's much of a difference regardless of who's "stronger"
 

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MS pretty much all but confirmed PS5 is more powerful ...Gone was the over confidence of we are the most powerful thing ever to "that WE have ever created"...Ouch !!!
Speaking of ouch:
Yet another leak/rumor


This falls in line with the rumors that Navi is Sony exclusive and MS uses Vega based GPU
When Sun Tzu talks about winning the battle before it is fought, it is not an endorsement of random bulls***, but whatever works for you.
 
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I doubt either company is aware of the others' specs, so it wouldn't be possible for MS to know whether they're "better" than Sony at this point, or vice versa. There are huge gaps in knowledge, and we're still a year and a half away from the actual release, so some things are no doubt still being tweaked.

Anyhow, let's stay away from MS vs. Sony talk. This thread is for PS5 info and speculation, not console warz. If you want to talk about which console will be the most powerful, you can start a thread in the multiplat forum. Thanks.
 

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Considering Spencer said that they haven't even nailed down any final spec makes that a BS statement on its face.
They don't have the clocks nailed down yet but they know what they are targeting, that being said I don't put much faith in what Moriarty says.
 

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Considering Spencer said that they haven't even nailed down any final spec makes that a BS statement on its face.
Not really. Something being more powerful doesn't instantly = more flops or faster CPU. Architecture, design, software tools, drivers, etc are all differehce makers.

Look at how hard it was for the more powerful PS3 to get its power out because of convoluted hardware and poor dev tools.
Look at the X1 and how it struggled to do 1080P because of poor dev tools.
 

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Not really. Something being more powerful doesn't instantly = more flops or faster CPU. Architecture, design, software tools, drivers, etc are all differehce makers.

Look at how hard it was for the more powerful PS3 to get its power out because of convoluted hardware and poor dev tools.
Look at the X1 and how it struggled to do 1080P because of poor dev tools.
TO be fair, this isn't a PS3 type situation where the Architecture is so radical that it's unlike anything else.

After seeing that DF video where they are talking about Navi and the Zen 2- it looks like the TF number tells so little of the story, that neither Company is using that particular number any more.

Also, Spencer absolutely said in the Giant bomb interview that they don't know what their final spec is going to be, which has a lot to do with parts cost and what not (and I'd bet Sony is the same), so anyone claiming one is better than the at this stage is Fanboying.

Beyond that, the DF vid points out the language used in reference to RT capabilities (by the AMD Lady... Lisa Su?) and each console version of the Navi. More specifically DNA vs RDNA. It's an interesting listen.


I'd also like to mention that how any of it stacks up at the end of the day is too hard to say anyway. Especially if whatever MS cooked up with AMD can get more out of fewer clocks or something. Beyond that, even IF Sony IS only doing RT in shaders (whatever that means)- their dev teams can achieve graphics output far beyond their own weight in hardware anyway. Until MS's devs can develop engines and pour that level of cinematic detail, they may need a Hardware RT solution to compete.

Honestly, I am very interested to see how these to machines will differ, and what can be made by each company. Fun times ahead.

EDIT: I'm really keen to see this new use of SSD they are hinting at. Using it as virtual RAM? There are a couple of console specific hardware developments that could manifest in some potential game changers...
 
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