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It's not really apples to apples with Xbox, since Xbox didn't jump in until about 1.5 generations later than PlayStation, but I do think that it adds a sort of "completeness" for a company to say "play our whole library af any legacy console titles by either popping in the disc you already own, or buy it at the store". There is just something special about that, and I wish that Sony had the backend support that Microsoft does there. Especially with those games getting free upgrades. There are some PS1 and PS2 games that shouldn't be forgotten, and would be really cool to still play at their best. PS3 games are actually hard to believe actually won't work though.
 
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It's not really apples to apples with Xbox, since Xbox didn't jump in until about 1.5 generations later than PlayStation, but I do think that it adds a sort of "completeness" for a company to say "play our whole library af any legacy console titles by either popping in the disc you already own, or buy it at the store". There is just something special about that, and I wish that Sony had the backend support that Microsoft does there. Especially with those games getting free upgrades. There are some PS1 and PS2 games that shouldn't be forgotten, and would be really cool to still play at their best. PS3 games are actually hard to believe actually won't work though.

MS has invested a lot of time and they weren't able to get 100% BC and as you said they are a gen and a half late to the game. I would much rather Sony remake and upgrade some old classics like they've been doing. Personally I'd love to see a colony wars remake or see the series started back up again but I don't want to play a 23 year old game on a 4K tv, even if they could improve the resolution everything else is still going to look dated.
 
I would guess the number of people who actually still have PS1 and PS2 discs is probably less than 5% This is a gaming enthusiast board and only a couple of people here have them.
I do lol
I contemplate throwing them in the trash every once in a while but nostalgia and the farfetched notion of them going up in value keeps me from it lol
 
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I doubt that going by the PS2 alone.

PS2 stopped production 7 years ago and 2008 was the last year that console sold over 10 million units, the PS4 has sold over 100 million consoles and that leads me to believe that most people have moved on from the PS2, the fact that gamestop and other video game shops are filled with used games is also another pretty big hint. Most people don't hold onto these things that long, enthusiasts who also like to collect things sure but that's not most gamers, not even close.
 
PS2 stopped production 7 years ago and 2008 was the last year that console sold over 10 million units, the PS4 has sold over 100 million consoles and that leads me to believe that most people have moved on from the PS2, the fact that gamestop and other video game shops are filled with used games is also another pretty big hint. Most people don't hold onto these things that long, enthusiasts who also like to collect things sure but that's not most gamers, not even close.
Huh, so I find it kind of funny that you think all of those games are essentially worthless now, and we should just move on. I'm glad we have preserved old movies from the silent era, as well as talkies. I thought it was all about the games with PlayStation, and not the best graphics. I am finding Xbox 360 discs in thrift stores for a few bucks, only to play a few of them in 4K, and/or 60fps when I get home.
 
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MS has invested a lot of time and they weren't able to get 100% BC and as you said they are a gen and a half late to the game. I would much rather Sony remake and upgrade some old classics like they've been doing. Personally I'd love to see a colony wars remake or see the series started back up again but I don't want to play a 23 year old game on a 4K tv, even if they could improve the resolution everything else is still going to look dated.
Xbox is not 100% BC. Sounds like 500 of 2,000 360 games, so more like 1/4 if the library so far, but what important games are even missing at this point? I have played tons of 360 games, and they remain in my library where they will remain! Red Dead Redemption in 4K on Xbox One X, and it looks as good as some current gen titles, at 4K. Sounds like you really haven't actually played BC games on Xbox One X? I play on a 100" 4K screen and they look fantastic!

Edit: Then there's old Xbox Live Arcade games from 360 era. My Galaga, Paperboy, and Joust remain! Still with the same Xbox leaderboard! Why should that ever go away? I honestly, passionately hate this thought that games shouldn't live on.
 
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If Sony goes the hardware side in emulating does that mean I can play my old opsm magazine demo disc?
Good question, and I could see that actually working, and actually probably a good case for hardware emulation over software. Maybe each could have their strengths, after all.
 
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Huh, so I find it kind of funny that you think all of those games are essentially worthless now, and we should just move on. I'm glad we have preserved old movies from the silent era, as well as talkies. I thought it was all about the games with PlayStation, and not the best graphics. I am finding Xbox 360 discs in thrift stores for a few bucks, only to play a few of them in 4K, and/or 60fps when I get home.
360 game era holds up very well, mostly because every genre reached a point with controls were they got rid of basically all problems the old hardware (controllers, CPU, GPU, RAM e.t.c) that could impact joyfull gameplay.
80% of full 3d ps1 games play bad when you've gotten used to the control standards of today. It really shouldn't be all about graphics, but gameplay wasn't what it is today either (2d games aside).
 
PS2 stopped production 7 years ago and 2008 was the last year that console sold over 10 million units, the PS4 has sold over 100 million consoles and that leads me to believe that most people have moved on from the PS2, the fact that gamestop and other video game shops are filled with used games is also another pretty big hint. Most people don't hold onto these things that long, enthusiasts who also like to collect things sure but that's not most gamers, not even close.
160 million consoles sold... How much software do you think was sold?
 
160 million consoles sold... How much software do you think was sold?

It's not about how many sold it's about how many people still have those games 2 generations later and the vast majority do not.
 
We better hope it isn't 9.2 TF's at $399..

Websites keep "reporting" that number because they read it on a forum so don't put too much faith in it until it comes from Sony, none of them have any inside info they are all using that same github post that people are talking about on gaf and era as their source. If it were 9.2 and $399 that's a great price considering the extra memory, the SSD and the more advanced CPU/GPU from the current gen. I'd rather have something more powerful and pay more but I won't say that $399 for that level of performance isn't a good value.
 
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It's not about how many sold it's about how many people still have those games 2 generations later and the vast majority do not.
Going by just the 160 million alone is enough to think millions still have PS2 games but we know the number could be about 1 billion games it sold..
 
Websites keep "reporting" that number because they read it on a forum so don't put too much faith in it until it comes from Sony, none of them have any inside info they are all using that same github post that people are talking about on gaf and era as their source. If it were 9.2 and $399 that's a great price considering the extra memory, the SSD and the more advanced CPU/GPU from the current gen. I'd rather have something more powerful and pay more but I won't say that $399 for that level of performance isn't a good value.
It is still a rumor we know but if it does end up that low it sux bad.
 
I actually prefer a cheaper, less powerful console from Sony, considering it'll be my secondary console only played for exclusives. It'll make it easier on my economy. If it would be as powerful as xbox it would be to expensive to buy for a longer time.
 
Going by just the 160 million alone is enough to think millions still have PS2 games but we know the number could be about 1 billion games it sold..

Again it's not about that though, that console is 2 gens old and most people who were gamers then that are still gamers now have moved on and don't keep those games when there hasn't been a console to play them on in many years. As I said this is a gaming enthusiast board and only a couple of people here have said they still have discs.
 
Again it's not about that though, that console is 2 gens old and most people who were gamers then that are still gamers now have moved on and don't keep those games when there hasn't been a console to play them on in many years. As I said this is a gaming enthusiast board and only a couple of people here have said they still have discs.
Yeah I'm still not seeing any reason not to believe that out of the whole likely billion pieces of software sold on the PS2 isn't still in the possession of many millions of homes still.
 
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360 game era holds up very well, mostly because every genre reached a point with controls were they got rid of basically all problems the old hardware (controllers, CPU, GPU, RAM e.t.c) that could impact joyfull gameplay.
80% of full 3d ps1 games play bad when you've gotten used to the control standards of today. It really shouldn't be all about graphics, but gameplay wasn't what it is today either (2d games aside).
PS1, I agree with you there. Pre-DualShock1 is kind of like another era on its own... but it actually was introduced half way through PS1. It was MGS that really 'changed the game', for me, on DualShock. That and Medal of Honor, which should get more credit for allowing 1st person shooters to have a proper control scheme, and people give all of the credit to Halo, but MoH did it 1st, imo.

Still, even those cardboard-lookin', no-analog havin' early PS games should be allowed to be played in an archival manor, imo
 
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Yeah I'm still not seeing any reason not to believe that out of the whole likely billion pieces of software sold on the PS2 isn't still in the possession of many millions of homes still.

That's fine, but you don't seem to be considering how gamestop stores and other retailers have hundreds if not thousands of used games not only in each store but also get sent to corporate. We've had the PS3 and PS4 between now and the end of the PS2, the vast majority of gamers have moved on, not that many people keep discs that they can't play anymore.
 
Just watched a recent gameranx video where he says he’s hearing some rumblings of PS5 not making the 2020 launch.

Do you think Sony might be having a redesign fearing they might be coming in slightly underpowered compared to Series X and would you be willing to wait an extra 6-12 months for a more powerful PS5 if the 9.2 tf rumours are true?

For the record, if Sony do go with 9.2 tf with powerful CPU for $399, I think that’s still incredible value for money.

2.30 in where he says about rumours of Sony not making a 2020 launch

 
Just watched a recent gameranx video where he says he’s hearing some rumblings of PS5 not making the 2020 launch.

Do you think Sony might be having a redesign fearing they might be coming in slightly underpowered compared to Series X and would you be willing to wait an extra 6-12 months for a more powerful PS5 if the 9.2 tf rumours are true?

For the record, if Sony do go with 9.2 tf with powerful CPU for $399, I think that’s still incredible value for money.

2.30 in where he says about rumours of Sony not making a 2020 launch



$399 + exclusives makes it a no brainer to release this year IMO. The rumored PS5 is still more than double the TFs of the PS Pro, and could still do 60-120 fps and 4K locked.
 
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$399 + exclusives makes it a no brainer to release this year IMO. The rumored PS5 is still more than double the TFs of the PS Pro, and could still do 60-120 fps and 4K locked.

Yep, double the teraflops of PS4 Pro but in actual performance it should be closer to double the gaming performance of Xbox one X if it's rdna2.
 
That's fine, but you don't seem to be considering how gamestop stores and other retailers have hundreds if not thousands of used games not only in each store but also get sent to corporate. We've had the PS3 and PS4 between now and the end of the PS2, the vast majority of gamers have moved on, not that many people keep discs that they can't play anymore.
Those stores are selling those classics.
 
RDNA2 and RT for both next gen consoles.

"
AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS


WE BELIEVE IN OUR RAYTRACING, AND WE WILL HAVE IT WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

Mithun Chandrashekhar, Product Management Lead, AMD "



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