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If they are going to be running the GPU at 2000Mhz it's gonna be real interesting to see how they are going to cool the console AND it also be relatively quiet. (which launch PS4 and PS4 Pro are not quiet)
 
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Honest question here, do you think some people just round up? Like 9.2 is practically 10 instead of closer to 9... like calculating the debt or the national healthcare plans...

But 9.2 isn't closer to 10 than 9...
 
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The PS5 will fly off the shelves at $499 when they see the ray tracing an new physics features.

They may sell a weaker alternative, but 4 TF would be dumb. A weaker alternative than theie"12TF" model still has has to be relative and comparative to the " 9.2TF" PS5. This is the only they could sell the 12TF version for $600.

Well, 4TF of Navi is about what the Xbox One X is. That's good at 1080p if it still has all the same ray tracing and physics capabilities of the 12TF version.
 
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Well, 4TF of Navi is about what the Xbox One X is. That's good at 1080p if it still has all the same ray tracing and physics capabilities of the 12TF version.
But little Jhonny doesn't know that. Only core gamers who hang around on forums know that.Just look at how this gen went with a small power difference. And it still wont be considered next gen as it only 'matches current gen.
 
But little Jhonny doesn't know that. Only core gamers who hang around on forums know that.Just look at how this gen went with a small power difference. And it still wont be considered next gen as it only 'matches current gen.

Yes but the point of Lockhart is to serve as next gen’s ‘S’. Going forward it will be cheaper and more efficient to stop making the S and X1X completely, mostly due to the old Jaguar cores.

Lockhart will apparently be similar in makeup to the XSX, but obviously cheaper and less powerful.

Different entry points for different gamers, and in the end cheaper and more streamlined for the manufacturer.
 
Yes but the point of Lockhart is to serve as next gen’s ‘S’. Going forward it will be cheaper and more efficient to stop making the S and X1X completely, mostly due to the old Jaguar cores.

Lockhart will apparently be similar in makeup to the XSX, but obviously cheaper and less powerful.

Different entry points for different gamers, and in the end cheaper and more streamlined for the manufacturer.
But again, it looks weak as f***. No amount of tech talk changes that.

Add in next gen having no exclusives for 2 years, and the whole streaming mantra. This lockhart looks very out of place.
 
But again, it looks weak as f***. No amount of tech talk changes that.

Add in next gen having no exclusives for 2 years, and the whole streaming mantra. This lockhart looks very out of place.
Even casuals know to count numbers.
Lockhart 4TF's vs 4.2 and 6TF's of this(will be last soon) gen
vs 10TF PS5 vs 12TF's XSX.
=A marketing Disaster
 
I want to know how does a 4 flop Lockhart guarantee all games being 1080p?

Can’t they save money if it’s just the same hardware as the x and just turn off some it’s capabilities/cores/whatever (like what some graphics cards do) instead of having two very different/custom pieces of hardware?

I’ll probably never like the idea of its existence...unless it was on par with the ps5. Because, in order for it to be like the s it needs to be and set the standard of what one expects to what next gen gaming is. The x would just amplify it like the one x.
 
I want to know how does a 4 flop Lockhart guarantee all games being 1080p?

Can’t they save money if it’s just the same hardware as the x and just turn off some it’s capabilities/cores/whatever (like what some graphics cards do) instead of having two very different/custom pieces of hardware?

I’ll probably never like the idea of its existence...unless it was on par with the ps5. Because, in order for it to be like the s it needs to be and set the standard of what one expects to what next gen gaming is. The x would just amplify it like the one x.
CPU is how the lower the res the more CPU dependent the software becomes.

No they can't just turn off things to save money.
If the silicon is made... it costs money.
 
Even casuals know to count numbers.
Lockhart 4TF's vs 4.2 and 6TF's of this(will be last soon) gen
vs 10TF PS5 vs 12TF's XSX.
=A marketing Disaster

Disagree. That’s where good marketing comes in. They’ll do exactly what Sony will do IF the PS5 really is 9-10 TFs: They won’t talk hard numbers, at all. They’ll talk features, pricing, games (and GP for MS), and anything else they can.

$299 (or cheaper..?) gets you into the new gen, x number of months of GamePass gets you 150+ games for free on day 1, and you can play all your current games. Good deal for the casual who doesn’t even know or care what a TF is. LOTs of those types of consumer out there.

Casuals won’t care. People that really care will spend the extra cash and buy a PS5 or XSX.

I also doubt we’ll see Lockhart at the CEX launch. It’ll prob come in within the next 2 years as production of the current S and X is phased out.

I’m still hearing that the choice to go with BC on PS 5 is part of what is keeping it at 9.2-10.2 TFs. Something about the PS5 having to hace a similar makeup to the Pro? MS doesn’t have this issue because BC is done through the software. Not sure if all of that is entirely correct..?

Also, I just had dinner with an old friend who works for a major studio in Seattle. He told me they have both devkits, but he hasn’t touched them yet. He said he’s just heard they are similar from co-workers in that ‘they’re basically PCs.’
 
Disagree. That’s where good marketing comes in. They’ll do exactly what Sony will do IF the PS5 really is 9-10 TFs: They won’t talk hard numbers, at all. They’ll talk features, pricing, games (and GP for MS), and anything else they can.

$299 (or cheaper..?) gets you into the new gen, x number of months of GamePass gets you 150+ games for free on day 1, and you can play all your current games. Good deal for the casual who doesn’t even know or care what a TF is. LOTs of those types of consumer out there.

Casuals won’t care. People that really care will spend the extra cash and buy a PS5 or XSX.

I also doubt we’ll see Lockhart at the CEX launch. It’ll prob come in within the next 2 years as production of the current S and X is phased out.

I’m still hearing that the choice to go with BC on PS 5 is part of what is keeping it at 9.2-10.2 TFs. Something about the PS5 having to hace a similar makeup to the Pro? MS doesn’t have this issue because BC is done through the software. Not sure if all of that is entirely correct..?

Also, I just had dinner with an old friend who works for a major studio in Seattle. He told me they have both devkits, but he hasn’t touched them yet. He said he’s just heard they are similar from co-workers in that ‘they’re basically PCs.’
Much wishful thinking.

$299 would help but a 4TF next gen machine when higher TF current machines are available causes confusion.

Casuals care about brand,price and numbers(4 vs 10)
GP is unknown to casuals and only a small fraction of XB gamers use it.

Core gamers will buy PS5 or XSX.

PS5's all generation BC will be HUGE
 
Disagree. That’s where good marketing comes in. They’ll do exactly what Sony will do IF the PS5 really is 9-10 TFs: They won’t talk hard numbers, at all. They’ll talk features, pricing, games (and GP for MS), and anything else they can.

$299 (or cheaper..?) gets you into the new gen, x number of months of GamePass gets you 150+ games for free on day 1, and you can play all your current games. Good deal for the casual who doesn’t even know or care what a TF is. LOTs of those types of consumer out there.

Casuals won’t care. People that really care will spend the extra cash and buy a PS5 or XSX.

I also doubt we’ll see Lockhart at the CEX launch. It’ll prob come in within the next 2 years as production of the current S and X is phased out.

I’m still hearing that the choice to go with BC on PS 5 is part of what is keeping it at 9.2-10.2 TFs. Something about the PS5 having to hace a similar makeup to the Pro? MS doesn’t have this issue because BC is done through the software. Not sure if all of that is entirely correct..?

Also, I just had dinner with an old friend who works for a major studio in Seattle. He told me they have both devkits, but he hasn’t touched them yet. He said he’s just heard they are similar from co-workers in that ‘they’re basically PCs.’
Or...Save 300 bucks and play all the new games on this gen hardwar...Gamepass too.

Casuals wont care? They seemed to care this gen.
 
CPU is how the lower the res the more CPU dependent the software becomes.

No they can't just turn off things to save money.
If the silicon is made... it costs money.

Are more games becoming cpu dependent? I‘m honestly in the dark... I just remember a friend saying if he’s got some lower end graphics card and he’d bridge some parts then it’d be like a higher end one because they’re still there.

Like all new Tesla’s, they all have the same tech and battery but turned off. If you buy the lower range model to still have the same battery as the highest range one but are limited to a certain capacity of said battery. Like a year ago when some storm was about to hot Florida and some lower states Tesla remotely turned on access till the full battery capacity to cars in those states do they could get the frick outta there.

I dono, maybe I’m just talking outta my ass
 
The funny thing about all of this is people keep trying to pretend the launch of the current gen and the launch of next gen will have anything in common. The power differences won't matter because we aren't talking 720p games on 1080p tv's, basically all TV's on the market now (and in the last few years) are 4K and the new consoles will be capable of native 4K and we also have the option of 4K reconstruction if a dev chooses it which when done right is practically indistinguishable from the real thing.

I do think MS needs to drop all of their current gen consoles as soon as possible, if they want to offer an "entry level bargain" next gen console I don't have a problem with that but I also don't know if it's really a smart move. I get why they want to do it I just don't know if it's necessary, are they really undercutting Sony on price with a product that should be cheaper because it's much less capable? Releasing something just as strong or stronger and undercutting PS5 on price would be a big deal but saying "hey look we have the cheapest console if you are concerned about price and the most powerful if that's what you are into" just doesn't work as well when it's two totally different models. If lockhart is a real thing it does prove that MS isn't willing to take a big loss on XSX otherwise they'd just release one model, take a loss and make it up later.
 
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Are more games becoming cpu dependent? I‘m honestly in the dark... I just remember a friend saying if he’s got some lower end graphics card and he’d bridge some parts then it’d be like a higher end one because they’re still there.

Like all new Tesla’s, they all have the same tech and battery but turned off. If you buy the lower range model to still have the same battery as the highest range one but are limited to a certain capacity of said battery. Like a year ago when some storm was about to hot Florida and some lower states Tesla remotely turned on access till the full battery capacity to cars in those states do they could get the frick outta there.

I dono, maybe I’m just talking outta my ass
No they are more GPU dependent because resolutions are getting higher.
With these new CPU's we should be able to have better physics,AI,higher fps,more onscreen enemies/higher player counts and more open worlds.
That's why the current gen will hurt the scope of what games could be with cross gen titles.
 
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Or...Save 300 bucks and play all the new games on this gen hardwar...Gamepass too.

Casuals wont care? They seemed to care this gen.

Agree with the first part, but I’m referring to new consumers.

As for the second part, that was the narrative driven by Sony when the X1 was revealed to be weaker. If the PS5 ends up being weaker, the talking points will be different.

The consumer that bought the S this generation is the group that the Lockhart is targeted for.
 
CPU is how the lower the res the more CPU dependent the software becomes.

No they can't just turn off things to save money.
If the silicon is made... it costs money.

Yes and no. My guess always was that Scarlett, Lockhart and the dev kit would be the same SOC, with the bins based on yields - perfect chips would be in dev kits, ones with enough cores functional would go into Scarlett and then anything meeting a functional minimum would go into Lockhart. But that's not a 12 v. 4 TF thing at all, I mean they'd probably clock lower without the freezer box, and it would have fewer cores, but if it's anything below like 8-9 TF the single SOC design is wasted money.
 
Well yeah they are likely using less ram and lower frequencies of chips in the same family but not the same chips.
Hence the much lower price.
 
Much wishful thinking.

$299 would help but a 4TF next gen machine when higher TF current machines are available causes confusion.

Casuals care about brand,price and numbers(4 vs 10)
GP is unknown to casuals and only a small fraction of XB gamers use it.

Core gamers will buy PS5 or XSX.

PS5's all generation BC will be HUGE
Do people still buy PS4s since the Pro is Available, or, do they still buy it at a higher rate? Much ado about nothing, imo. It'll be fine. and IF it actually becomes an issue and affects sales, then MS will adapt.
 
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But little Jhonny doesn't know that. Only core gamers who hang around on forums know that.Just look at how this gen went with a small power difference.

I think if the roles were reversed in terms of power it wouldn't have changed much. No one expected the Xbox One x to struggle with exclusives like it did.

And it still wont be considered next gen as it only 'matches current gen.

No, that's simply not true.



Games built from the ground up to use 8 cores and 16 threads at 3.2 ghz will allow for completely different gameplay experiences that won't be possible on the Xbox One X. Developers already have all the tools they need to implement much better physics and they are supposedly already doing so. Developers didn't even bother doing anything different with physics last gen because they were hamstrung with just 1.6ghz cores. The CPU will also allow for every game to easily hit 60fps.

That's not even including ray tracing. If lockhart has dedicated ray tracing hardware on that lower end model the games will look really great.

I want to know how does a 4 flop Lockhart guarantee all games being 1080p?

Can’t they save money if it’s just the same hardware as the x and just turn off some it’s capabilities/cores/whatever (like what some graphics cards do) instead of having two very different/custom pieces of hardware?

I’ll probably never like the idea of its existence...unless it was on par with the ps5. Because, in order for it to be like the s it needs to be and set the standard of what one expects to what next gen gaming is. The x would just amplify it like the one x.

It's a lot easier to hit 1080p than it is 4k. 4 tflop of Navi will do 1080p at 60fps with good anti-aliasing easily. The CPU will be where the core of the gameplay changes come from.

Are more games becoming cpu dependent? I‘m honestly in the dark... I just remember a friend saying if he’s got some lower end graphics card and he’d bridge some parts then it’d be like a higher end one because they’re still there.

Like all new Tesla’s, they all have the same tech and battery but turned off. If you buy the lower range model to still have the same battery as the highest range one but are limited to a certain capacity of said battery. Like a year ago when some storm was about to hot Florida and some lower states Tesla remotely turned on access till the full battery capacity to cars in those states do they could get the frick outta there.

I dono, maybe I’m just talking outta my ass

The PC side is heavily dependent on what happens with consoles. They are always the lead platform and the lowest common denominator. Now that the lowest common denominator is 8 cores and 16 threads at 3.2ghz that means the physics will improve drastically.
 
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