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Former PlayStation Chief Muses on the Future of Gaming
This week: a game about ancient history and a massive video game company investment. But first: the former boss of PlayStation talks industry unsustainability and why he left the company after 32 years.www.bloomberg.com
Game development “seems to double in cost every platform,” Layden said, noting that his budgets for recent big PlayStation 4 titles each hit $100 million. “If we can’t stop the cost curve from going up, all we can do is try to de-risk it. That puts you in a place where you’re incentivized toward sequels.” He predicted that PS5 games will cost $200 million to make and that prices will continue to grow exponentially from there.
That's not surprising and a bit distressing. I don't doubt Layden on this and if the industry as a whole doesn't find a way to lower costs I can see publishers and studios passing the increased costs onto consumers in the form of higher upfront game prices, compulsory loot-boxes or both.
Who did this? Kind of looks like a slide a kid made or something there's no info or anything.
Gamers Nexus was given one of the new PS5 from Digital Foundry and will do a thermal test after it arrives.
Sony Playstation 5 - Why the new PS5 is even better than the old one and a superficial view is dangerous | Important Update | igor´sLAB
Disclaimer: The following article is machine translated from the original German, and has not been edited or checked for errors. Thank you for understanding!
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In the charts and in general in the review, Memory I mean the TH58LJT0T24BA4M NAND Flash Memory's temperature, in other words, the SSD's temperature. Yes my bad I call it CPU instead of APU or SoC. Get over it, please
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Sony Playstation 5 – Why the new PS5 is even better than the old one and a superficial view is dangerous
Disclaimer: The following article is machine translated from the original German, and has not been edited or checked for errors. Thank you for understanding!
How quickly one can be wrong with a superficial and visual evaluation is shown by the video of Austin Evans, which is an example that the size of a YouTube channel does not always stand for the quality of the content. Sure, the PS5’s new cooler is lighter, smaller, and looks slimmer in other ways, but it’s got it all together with the new PCB, so we’re going to prove that the new PS5 is even better than the old one.
For today’s article I (Igor) lend my keyboard to my friend Aris and write the whole thing as a “ghostwriter” on his behalf, to show you what he has found out in his own investigations. Of course, I have also embedded his video at the end and who liked this article should not be afraid to leave a like or subscription there. As always, a lot of work went into today’s investigation, but it was worth it. It’s not about badmouthing a YouTuber or their channel, but it is about the truth. The basis for Austin’s misjudgement is only the optical comparison (picture above) which we have taken from his video.
Important update from 06.09.2021 – 02:45 am
Since some readers and colleagues have questioned the measurements at the selected sensor points, there will be a second series of measurements with a total of 12 new sensors as a service in the near future (I hope tomorrow). They are now also stuck to the points that our colleagues used and that were used for comparison. Without spoiling too much, I can confirm that in the second measurement with the new PS5, the difference between the APU temperature and the room air of slightly more than 8 degrees compared to the value of the colleagues from GN with the old PS5 also corresponds approximately to what we measured as the difference in this article today.
The RAM is even significantly cooler on the top side than in GN’s measurement, despite a significantly higher room temperature (ambient). We can also validate all previous measurements as a difference in this form up to this point, but will disclose the exact results transparently. So please be patient, because the bottom line will probably not change. Rather the opposite.
Not only the cooler is new, but also the PCB!
So, first a few readings from the real top and bottom, which funnily enough confirm the other measurements. I'm still waiting for all the final runs, then there will be a clean follow up tomorrow or on Saturday.
Currently running a new PS5 in test (unclimatized room, 28 °C air) with 3 sensors for the APU alone. One directly on the IHS (right), one on the bracket (left) and one in the back (not in the picture), below the GPU on the MLCC, just like GN, to check its values. Aris also ran the PS5 for a full hour with a game before measuring. GN apparently didn't. But:
- Aris now had 70.58 °C at the new PS5 at the same place as GN at 28 degrees room temperature.
- GN had 72-73C at the old PS5 at 22 degrees room temperature.
- We come back to a difference of around 8 degrees as in today's review.
- In addition, test measurements on the two other sensors.
A total of 12 extra calibrated new sensors are running here at the same time, but I don't want to get too ahead of the follow up:
- RAM topside on new PS5 from Aris 78.13 °C at 28 degrees room temperature.
- RAM topside on old PS5 from GN 93 °C at 22 room temperature
As I said, the DIFFERENCES are the same and I would have been surprised if not. And yes, the 300 grams less are completely irrelevant for performance. Pipe porn
Aris will also gegentesten an old PS5 again, because if anything, everything with the same method.
Currently running a new PS5 in test (unclimatized room, 28 °C air) with 3 sensors for the APU alone. One directly on the IHS (right), one on the bracket (left) and one in the back (not in the picture), below the GPU on the MLCC, just like GN, to check its values. Aris also ran the PS5 for a full hour with a game before measuring. GN apparently didn't. But:
- Aris now had 70.58 °C at the new PS5 at the same place as GN at 28 degrees room temperature.
- GN had 72-73C at the old PS5 at 22 degrees room temperature.
- We come back to a difference of around 8 degrees as in today's review.
- In addition, test measurements on the two other sensors.
A total of 12 extra calibrated new sensors are running here at the same time, but I don't want to get too ahead of the follow up:
- RAM topside on new PS5 from Aris 78.13 °C at 28 degrees room temperature.
- RAM topside on old PS5 from GN 93 °C at 22 room temperature
As I said, the DIFFERENCES are the same and I would have been surprised if not.
And yes, the 300 grams less are completely irrelevant for performance. Pipe porn Aris will also gegentesten an old PS5 again, because if anything, everything with the same method.
If your sample size is only one better than zero, your results are pretty meaningless regardless of what you find.
Then all analysis are meaningless by these influencers and tech people on youtube... doesn't stop people from using it as cannon fodder for the console wars.
I mean it's nice to see because otherwise we wouldn't be able to get real world test results. Like even in Austin's video, we were able to see the difference physically in the old and new heatsink coolers. Then we got HB engineers here that also tests further. DF/GN also doing more tests. There will be variations of course because of the millions of units being produced but I believe in the big picture, this won't have any significant effect on the life cycle of a console's generation. We haven't seen any mass failures like the RROD from the 360 days for a long time now so I'm hoping that doesn't happen for any console ever again.
I think it's amusing personally because it's like people don't think Sony takes their hardware R&D seriously. They really believe that Sony would have pushed these new revisions out without doing any extensive testing beforehand.
Man the thought of a new console being hotter than the previous has really upset some..
Agreed!
It has been funny to see some of these people have to explain themselves for using click bait titles and sharing misleading info though.
Pretty much every youtuber does it just like they all mumble about nothing to make a video that could be less than 30 secs last over 10 minutes
That is becoming a huga annoyance for me lately. 2 minutes of real content in a 14 minute video. I've unsubscribed to a large number of people I used to like because it's so obvious they're playing games to try to be more successful on Youtube, rather than focusing on the quality of what they're making.
OMG, me too.
In the past I almost never clicked the "dislike" button because my thinking was that in the time it takes to click that I can just click away. Now I hit the dislike button with a passion because the quality of content from many channels I liked has gone downhill.
Tools will lower cost. Always do. You can build way more detailed assets in the same time as old low poly assets of old. Look at Unreal 5. You can practically paint everything. That said, devs have to use them to be effective...
Be careful, I heard the new ones might catch fire.
lol Austin.
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According to in-depth testing from HardwareBusters, it appears that the new cooler that ships in the PlayStation 5 actually performs better than the original, adding yet more controversy to what has become an ongoing saga. We've previously reported about the new revision of the PlayStation 5 console that hit the market with a smaller and lighter heatsink. The heatsink was originally tested by a popular YouTube channel that theorized that the cooler didn't work as well as the larger cooler found on the original system, but follow-up anecdotal testing showed no difference in real-world performance. Now even more detailed testing has been posted, with the results suggesting that the new PS5 revision actually runs cooler.
HardwareBusters (via Igor's Lab) tested the launch-day PS5 against the new PS5 revision and contends that, despite the smaller cooling solution, the newer model actually cools the system better. The testing included measurements of external temperatures, exhaust temps, and SoC/VRAM/VRM temperature sensors under gaming load. The short version: The new PS5 model showed no serious regressions, and in fact, is actually better.
For the SoC itself, the newer PS5 revision was more than 10C cooler, with temps dropping from 51.15C with the original model to 40.08C with the newer revision.
Despite the cooler SoC, there were a few regressions with other components. The new memory (VRAM) temps have climber by around 8C, from the original 40.88C to 48.20C. The VRM power delivery modules also saw a temp increase, where the new PS5 model runs at 46.32C compared to the older one at 44.97C.
It's noteworthy that HardwareBusters is following up with more in-depth testing with various sensor placements, but the outlet says that its expanded test results simply underline that the new cooler is better than the old revision.
All those regressions combined make up for the hotter exhaust temperatures, and the results indicate that the new PS5 exhaust temps are equal to 41.11C, where the launch-day model measured 39.85C. And lastly, the new PlayStation 5 revision had a mere 1-decibel increase in noise compared to the older model, again showing no serious change.
It is important to note that these are not very significant changes and users should not worry about the well-being of their PS5 console regardless of whether they have a newer or older revision at hand. It is just a part of the console lifetime where Sony updates the design to cut costs and fixes various issues.
Lighter, Smaller PlayStation 5 Cooler is Actually Better, Tests Say
The SoC runs cooler while VRM and memory run a tad hotter
www.tomshardware.com
According to in-depth testing from HardwareBusters, it appears that the new cooler that ships in the PlayStation 5 actually performs better than the original, adding yet more controversy to what has become an ongoing saga. We've previously reported about the new revision of the PlayStation 5 console that hit the market with a smaller and lighter heatsink. The heatsink was originally tested by a popular YouTube channel that theorized that the cooler didn't work as well as the larger cooler found on the original system, but follow-up anecdotal testing showed no difference in real-world performance. Now even more detailed testing has been posted, with the results suggesting that the new PS5 revision actually runs cooler.
HardwareBusters (via Igor's Lab) tested the launch-day PS5 against the new PS5 revision and contends that, despite the smaller cooling solution, the newer model actually cools the system better. The testing included measurements of external temperatures, exhaust temps, and SoC/VRAM/VRM temperature sensors under gaming load. The short version: The new PS5 model showed no serious regressions, and in fact, is actually better.
For the SoC itself, the newer PS5 revision was more than 10C cooler, with temps dropping from 51.15C with the original model to 40.08C with the newer revision.
Despite the cooler SoC, there were a few regressions with other components. The new memory (VRAM) temps have climber by around 8C, from the original 40.88C to 48.20C. The VRM power delivery modules also saw a temp increase, where the new PS5 model runs at 46.32C compared to the older one at 44.97C.
It's noteworthy that HardwareBusters is following up with more in-depth testing with various sensor placements, but the outlet says that its expanded test results simply underline that the new cooler is better than the old revision.
All those regressions combined make up for the hotter exhaust temperatures, and the results indicate that the new PS5 exhaust temps are equal to 41.11C, where the launch-day model measured 39.85C. And lastly, the new PlayStation 5 revision had a mere 1-decibel increase in noise compared to the older model, again showing no serious change.
It is important to note that these are not very significant changes and users should not worry about the well-being of their PS5 console regardless of whether they have a newer or older revision at hand. It is just a part of the console lifetime where Sony updates the design to cut costs and fixes various issues.
Thanks TeKPhaN for posting this elsewhere
Nearly 3 minutes before he starts coming close to taking about what's in the video title
They spend the first 4-5 minutes talking about how "this is just going to be a quick video on...." lol it's so sad.
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