Sales Discussion Thread, 2019

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Spin all you want you've been negative on that game since day 1
Not spin it's an opinion, I played the game from start to finish so it's not like I'm some jerk throwing stones from the sidelines who never touched it. Spencer will lie, they all will lie. GP is his baby, he is doing everything he can to build hype for it now, they undoubtedly took a financial loss on Gears 5 having it come out on GP day one and they are willing to do that because they are playing the long game and they feel a subscription model is the way to go. Again I don't believe it sold better, it's not spin it's me saying I don't think he's telling the truth and the fact that it's not in the top 20 in it's largest market a month after release is what I'm basing that on.
 
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Not spin it's an opinion, I played the game from start to finish so it's not like I'm some jerk throwing stones from the sidelines who never touched it. Spencer will lie, they all will lie. GP is his baby, he is doing everything he can to build hype for it now, they undoubtedly took a financial loss on Gears 5 having it come out on GP day one and they are willing to do that because they are playing the long game and they feel a subscription model is the way to go. Again I don't believe it sold better, it's not spin it's me saying I don't think he's telling the truth and the fact that it's not in the top 20 in it's largest market a month after release is what I'm basing that on.
They're a publicly traded company. Lying about sales is not something that they could get away with. Not talking about them, sure, as we've seen, but if he said it sold better then it.sold.better.
 

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They're a publicly traded company. Lying about sales is not something that they could get away with. Not talking about them, sure, as we've seen, but if he said it sold better then it.sold.better.
This wasn't in a report to investors it was something said in an interview, it's not the same thing. Gears 4 debuted at #3 in it's first month and digital sales weren't even included in that report, Gears 5 debuted at # 7 (digital sales were included) against lesser competition and it fell out of the top 20 the following month. There was no GP in 2016, digital sales were still a thing etc, I have no doubt he's just saying that Gears 5 sold better because he doesn't want the narrative out there that GP is cutting down on actual sales. It's only logical that it would, it's what's going to happen with a subscription model especially one they are pushing so aggressively with their $1 a month trials that aren't even limited to one time per customer.
 
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If this were US rankings it wouldn't have charted at all and not counted as a sale because it was included in all of the hardware bundles they were selling, the ranking isn't based on the game actually selling individual copies so this is very misleading..


No.4 where you will find Sea of Thieves - an Xbox One game that launched in March 2018. Sea of Thieves was included in all variety of bundles for the Xbox One S All-Digital console. which was on sale for between £110 to £140 during Black Friday (arguably the most aggressive hardware offer last week).
 
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If this were US rankings it wouldn't have charted at all and not counted as a sale because it was included in all of the hardware bundles they were selling, the ranking isn't based on the game actually selling individual copies so this is very misleading..
You just have to every time don't you?

Don't see you pointing this out for the PS exclusives. Ever.
 
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I think when Spencer says its selling better he just means its doing better. Which is what matters.
 

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You just have to every time don't you?

Don't see you pointing this out for the PS exclusives. Ever.
Nobody points out that a PlayStation pack in game is a top seller, if they and I saw them do it did I would call it out. Pack in games in the US are never counted as a sale because they are included in a console purchase and generally speaking you don't generate revenue with something that people aren't paying for, let alone the buyer has no say if they get the game or not, it's included in the box.

I just happened to see your post because I was replying to the other one that you made about me but didn't quote me on, I wasn't going around looking for it. Don't pull this "bias" crap argument either, I backed up my opinion with a logical reason and you acted like it was some kind of vendetta lol. Do I have a bias? yeah so do you, so do we all and we are allowed to we aren't journalists. That being said I laid out why I think the way I do I didn't just say "because Phil said so" like you did.
 
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I think when Spencer says its selling better he just means its doing better. Which is what matters.
It may have had more first week players than the Gears 4, more people had access to it without having to buy it so more than hardcore gears fans would be likely to give it a shot early on, I would count as part of that group.
 
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