Sales Discussion Thread, 2019

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Mcmasters

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Switch is on pace to surpass the Xbo,possibly in less than a year.
I dunno. I hear the 41 million number of Xbox One's sold is false and that we should hear about what they really sold at E3. That's just rumor right now so take it with a grain of salt.
 

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I dunno. I hear the 41 million number of Xbox One's sold is false and that we should hear about what they really sold at E3. That's just rumor right now so take it with a grain of salt.
Probably false, I doubt they (or anyone in their position) would announce what they've actually sold, when you are really far behind you generally focus on numbers that you can sort of fudge to paint your product in the best possible light. If they aren't telling investors exactly how many they aren't going to announce it at a trade show. Even if it's not 41 it's not likely much more.
 

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I dunno. I hear the 41 million number of Xbox One's sold is false and that we should hear about what they really sold at E3. That's just rumor right now so take it with a grain of salt.
If it was only 41 by now, that means it sold 900k in the past year.
 
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If it was only 41 by now, that means it sold 900k in the past year.
No it sold 6.5 million..
Go in the thread with your false links and I'll watch you get laughed out of it.
 

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No it sold 6.5 million..
Go in the thread with your false links and I'll watch you get laughed out of it.
No idea WHAT you are talking about. But I am laughing.
 

Mcmasters

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Probably false, I doubt they (or anyone in their position) would announce what they've actually sold, when you are really far behind you generally focus on numbers that you can sort of fudge to paint your product in the best possible light. If they aren't telling investors exactly how many they aren't going to announce it at a trade show. Even if it's not 41 it's not likely much more.
I disagree. I think it could be more - thats just me.
 

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If they are going to announce their numbers they would just do it. No point in saving it for some big stage like the number is going to blow anyone away.
 

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If they are going to announce their numbers they would just do it. No point in saving it for some big stage like the number is going to blow anyone away.
I don't think they will announce the number either. First, they already said they don't anymore. Secondly, why announce a number that is nearly half as much as the competitor?
 
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Mcmasters

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Probably false, I doubt they (or anyone in their position) would announce what they've actually sold, when you are really far behind you generally focus on numbers that you can sort of fudge to paint your product in the best possible light. If they aren't telling investors exactly how many they aren't going to announce it at a trade show. Even if it's not 41 it's not likely much more.
Thats all fine and dandy for this gen but next gen, hardware sold will fade to the back and software and services will take the lead. Hardware will still matter of course, but I dont think it'll be the be-all-end-all it typically has been.

It really isnt now, now that I think about it.
 

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Thats all fine and dandy for this gen but next gen, hardware sold will fade to the back and software and services will take the lead. Hardware will still matter of course, but I dont think it'll be the be-all-end-all it typically has been.

It really isnt now, now that I think about it.
Being that PSN alone brought in more than all of MS's gaming division it shows that the two go hand in hand, the more hardware you have the more you'll bring in through online/services etc. As long as you are making money that's all that really matters but selling hardware is the gateway to the rest of it. I just hope first party devs don't adopt the EA/2K mindset of launching a fairly barebones game and continually adding small things and charging extra for them. I know 3rd parties are unlikely to stop doing that but first party gets to charge for online play and gets a cut of every game sold etc so they have other sources of revenue.
 

karmakid

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Thats all fine and dandy for this gen but next gen, hardware sold will fade to the back and software and services will take the lead. Hardware will still matter of course, but I dont think it'll be the be-all-end-all it typically has been.

It really isnt now, now that I think about it.


Hmmm, makes one wonder how the live ap will work on other platforms, will you need an Xbox to stream the games you own or simply just own them and stream it via there servers to mobile/switch? How will those numbers be taken into account? Feels like next gen will be another transitioning period, by extension of the current gen, in how the consumer reacts to such a shift.
 

Mcmasters

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Hmmm, makes one wonder how the live ap will work on other platforms, will you need an Xbox to stream the games you own or simply just own them and stream it via there servers to mobile/switch? How will those numbers be taken into account? Feels like next gen will be another transitioning period, by extension of the current gen, in how the consumer reacts to such a shift.
Definitely. I dont think you'll need to have an Xbox to stream you own, but you may need to be a Live member. The shift is happening as we speak.

I still think the engagement and software numbers will take center stage next gen.
 

Mcmasters

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Being that PSN alone brought in more than all of MS's gaming division it shows that the two go hand in hand, the more hardware you have the more you'll bring in through online/services etc. As long as you are making money that's all that really matters but selling hardware is the gateway to the rest of it. I just hope first party devs don't adopt the EA/2K mindset of launching a fairly barebones game and continually adding small things and charging extra for them. I know 3rd parties are unlikely to stop doing that but first party gets to charge for online play and gets a cut of every game sold etc so they have other sources of revenue.
Both will still be important. But if streaming takes off the way it looks like its going to, hardware wont be the only gateway. Streaming wont take over completely but I think its going to be a viable option for those who dont want a console. Next gen will probably rock 5 -6 years? By the end, streaming will be a pretty big deal by then. By that time, who knows..
 

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Both will still be important. But if streaming takes off the way it looks like its going to, hardware wont be the only gateway. Streaming wont take over completely but I think its going to be a viable option for those who dont want a console. Next gen will probably rock 5 -6 years? By the end, streaming will be a pretty big deal by then. By that time, who knows..
I'm still skeptical of streaming, so far the little bit of 5G that has been deployed hasn't lived up to the promises made and that's one of the major things the people who are championing streaming are using as the basis for their enthusiasm. I think it will be a viable option but it shouldn't be the main way people game, at least not with where tech is now and in the foreseeable future.
 
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Don't see you refuting any of the facts.
 

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I just can't get into MH, the controls just feel a bit floaty to me and I just didn't have any fun when I tried it. I'm glad others are enjoying it even if I can't figure out why lol.
Yeah, I can't get into it either. I bought it on sale and I still regret it. I must be missing something about that game. It feels old and clunky. Ugly too.
 

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Yeah, I can't get into it either. I bought it on sale and I still regret it. I must be missing something about that game. It feels old and clunky. Ugly too.
I really enjoyed my time with it. Definately wasn't looker, looked more like a last-gen remaster. But the gameplay was fun. Builds were plentiful and have huge variation.
 

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So the latest count seems to be PS4 94 m, Xbox 41 m. The source for the first number is Sony, the second is Zhuge. That's 2.3 to 1, for those of us who like ratios. I'm assuming both those numbers have the same endpoint, which I'm not sure about, so take that with a grain of salt.
 

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So the latest count seems to be PS4 94 m, Xbox 41 m. The source for the first number is Sony, the second is Zhuge. That's 2.3 to 1, for those of us who like ratios. I'm assuming both those numbers have the same endpoint, which I'm not sure about, so take that with a grain of salt.
Xbox One was at 39.1 million in March of 2018 according to IHS Market analyst. If that were the case, that means that Xbox sold 900k between April and December, worldwide. Xbox sold just under a million in the US alone in December according to NPD.
 
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So the latest count seems to be PS4 94 m, Xbox 41 m. The source for the first number is Sony, the second is Zhuge. That's 2.3 to 1, for those of us who like ratios. I'm assuming both those numbers have the same endpoint, which I'm not sure about, so take that with a grain of salt.
which=6.5 million sold in 2018.
The denial is real here though.
 

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Xbox One was at 39.1 million in March of 2018 according to IHS Market analyst. If that were the case, that means that Xbox sold 900k between April and December, worldwide. Xbox sold just under a million in the US alone in December according to NPD.
Never heard of them. I looked them up, and they appear to pump out estimates for every industry under the sun. They don't specialize in the game industry. They estimated high, compared to most other observers/trackers. Wouldn't be the first time. They also appear to have reported fewer PS4s sold than Sony themselves had previously announced, which doesn't exactly speak highly of their intelligence network. Analysts are often highly paid for generating half-assed estimates.

I'd trust Zhuge over that. He's been doing this for a decade or more, and he's focused on this sort of game industry data. He tracks it as closely as he can and reports very carefully, since his livelihood and reputation depend on it.

That said, he could be a million or two off. Who knows. The important point is: Sony is winning, nee ner, nee ner. :laugh:
 

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Never heard of them. I looked them up, and they appear to pump out estimates for every industry under the sun. They don't specialize in the game industry. They estimated high, compared to most other observers/trackers. Wouldn't be the first time. They also appear to have reported fewer PS4s sold than Sony themselves had previously announced, which doesn't exactly speak highly of their intelligence network. Analysts are often highly paid for generating half-assed estimates.

I'd trust Zhuge over that. He's been doing this for a decade or more, and he's focused on this sort of game industry data. He tracks it as closely as he can and reports very carefully, since his livelihood and reputation depend on it.

That said, he could be a million or two off. Who knows. The important point is: Sony is winning, nee ner, nee ner. :laugh:
And I play and enjoy both :)
 

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Never heard of them. I looked them up, and they appear to pump out estimates for every industry under the sun. They don't specialize in the game industry. They estimated high, compared to most other observers/trackers. Wouldn't be the first time. They also appear to have reported fewer PS4s sold than Sony themselves had previously announced, which doesn't exactly speak highly of their intelligence network. Analysts are often highly paid for generating half-assed estimates.

I'd trust Zhuge over that. He's been doing this for a decade or more, and he's focused on this sort of game industry data. He tracks it as closely as he can and reports very carefully, since his livelihood and reputation depend on it.

That said, he could be a million or two off. Who knows. The important point is: Sony is winning, nee ner, nee ner. :laugh:
2 to one is about par for the course, so makes sense.
40 mil is nothing to sneeze at though. Not as high as before, certainly, but it's been an uphill battle since launch.